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Sunbeams Noh Mercy: 82.7 buds
(1 of 5 in existence)
This hat is incredibly rare, and discontinued. http://pastebin.com/ipT1CqYP
I had one for sale on Outpost for about 5 weeks. I received may offers in the ~70 range, but was looking for 75 pure or massive overpay in unusuals.
The offer that I ended up was Monkey's. We did his Sunbeams Killer Exclusive +15 buds for my Sunbeams Noh Mercy. http://prntscr.com/1rpljq
The backpack price for Sunbeams KE is currently outdated, but I have a suggestion pending to raise it to a more recent price. The mid price of the suggestion is 75.2. Multiplied by 0.9 to calculate overpay, the KE is valued at 67.7 buds, plus the 15 pure is the total price of 82.7 earbuds.Polar gave feedback on my previous suggestion and said this should be 75 buds. So, here I am re-suggesting based on that very feedback.
Feedback welcome. More information/offers/screenshots/history of this particular Misc can be seen on my trade here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13741992
Stahp taking all the good unusuals :(
He doesn't have it anymore. Blame Monkey.
I know he sold it, but look at Shadows backpack.
Thanks for resuggesting.
To voters: As noted on the previous suggestion, B/O was 75 in pure, he was paid ~82, and that extra 7 buds was an overpay, which is often higher than the normal 10% on high end hats. Hats should never be priced above their b/o's in pure
B/o is 75 pure correct. But I did not pay 75 Pure.
It was more of the unusual and pure added on. Like any other god tier hats its always more if in unusuals . a sunbeams ke is not pure.
I know. Shadow made the first suggestion at 82, and I was just explaining to anyone wondering why I asked him to resuggest at 75 -- basically that hats shouldn't be priced above their b/o's in pure since the prices on this website are based on the price of the hat in pure. The 82 was an unusual overpay.
The 82 is included with over pay. 75 + 15= 90. *.9 = 81. So it should be 81.
Or do the Ke with overpay. 75 *.9 = 67.5 + 15 pure = 82.
Because its an unusual overpay. Don't discredit the pure .
My point was that the standard overpay of 0.9 rarely works on high tier hat. Overpay is usually quite a bit more since few people carry around that amount of buds. The point is that Shadow would have gladly sold it for 75 pure. And since the site is based on pure prices of hats, the hat should not be priced higher than that.
That's right he would of. BUT it was NOT sold for 75 pure. So why would it be priced at 75 pure. Right now there's a vote on the beams ke as well. Most likely going to be approved. And the mid range of that hat is 75.and the noh was sold for the beams ke + 15 pure. Now your pretty much saying the pure doesn't count. Yet the hat only counts for 75. But the hat overall was never sold for 75 pure. Bp.tf prices go on what it was sold for with the overpay. And that is the original suggestion. Not by the buyout of pure. Especially if 75 pure was never offered on the hat.
I have to agree with polar bear, simply for the reason that if you pay above someone's B/O, you are overpaying by the very definition of the word. It's not even a matter of unusual overpay imo, just overpaying in general. Besides, by your logic anyone can just find some god tier 1 of 1, pay over someone's B/O for it, and say it is worth that much. But is it? Is anyone else going to pay that much for it? Just seems so artificial to me.
And you guys wonder why bp.tf has a bad rep with high to god tier traders.
Pricing hats is on what they paid. Not their buy outs. We let the .9 overpay calculation slide over time. But really.... Cmon. Your decreasing the price from 90 to 81 or 82. To 90 to 75. That's a huge difference. Are you going to refund me the 15 pure? Like hell you will.
Again, you had the option of selling your hats and collecting 75 pure. But out of convenience you overpaid. I'll leave at that here. We are interested in people's opinions and we haven't made the rule official yet (though we were pushing for that soon). If you would like to voice your opinions about that, feel free to make a post about it in the forums
Refund you? How are you losing money exactly? If you are it would be your own fault if you overpaid. Then again, if the hat is worth 85, you should have no trouble selling for that, and getting your refund.
And that is why I said the 81 or 82 is the over pay price. I never said put it at 90.
If your making the price of the b/o at 75. Then you should consider repricing all the hats priced that had unusuals traded because not every hat is sold by pure and pure alone.
Tell me something blind bear. If the ke gets approved at 75 when the hat trade also had pure added on and when it gets accepted with pure included. Why can't the noh with the proper .9 overpay calculations.
Both hats are in high to god tiers.
Yeah, pricing high tier stuff is a real challenge. The KE had documented of 60+ and 2 sales at 70 to justify that range. The noh had a b/o of 75. So you adding the 15 pure seems like you overpaid for it when you could have sold the ke for 75 first and then bought the noh. Look it's tough and no system is perfect. We try to price things in pure as much as we can because that is the most consistent / reliable way to establish prices on a guide. But all that goes haywire on high end stuff with so few pure sales (though it does happen as with that burning tc and burning noh). We decided to stick with our guideline that all hats should be priced in pure. And if someone was looking for 75 pure and got paid 90, we take it as if the buyer overpaid. I understand if it seems like that's not fair, and again feel free to post in the forums with your rationale against it. But you paying 90 or even 80 is just overpay when he was only looking for 75
Listen I apologize if you think I'm being rude. But try understanding from a buyers point of view. No one likes to pay in pure. Even if the buy out is 75 pure. Who carries 75 pure with them most of the time. Even the cmoon coffin was priced in unusuals it just makes no sense and its almost like the buyer is being cheated.
I'll link this suggestion to other mods to see how they feel. Like I said, we want to hear from the community as a whole and base our decisions in a way to help the community at large. The problem we've had in recent times is that high end buyers will way overpay above b/o's and just make a suggestion for whatever they pay. And that's not necessarily fair to the rest of the community. It's certainly not easy to decide one way or the other. This will be my last post here. Feel free to add me to discuss or post in the forums. Like I said, we are all ears about this and we want to sample a broad demographics of people before we make decisions on things like this.
You have full reason to be upset about this, but, you're missing the big picture here.
The fact still stands that Shadow wanted 75 pure and would have been more than happy to take 75 pure. Overpay is great and all, it's how you profit in this community most of the time, but shouldn't be considered when establishing prices on here. Prices here are meant to be in pure, so because Shadow was willing to take 75 pure, the price should not be more than 75 pure.
I read the notes but that's some bull (sorry for language). Ke will be priced at 75 mid range yet the noh is 75 but I paid 15 on top.... Even with over pay it should be 83 but no less. Its not overpay on pure because we both agreed on the price.
Since when was this discontinued? I didn't get that memo, oh because it didn't happen! That's right. NEVER HAS VALVE SAID IT WAS DISCONTINUED. You people just assume things are correct. If they had discontinued it, they would have said so, like the hats they legitimately did discontinue.....
This is just another repeat of the great shaman bullshit.
Just because valve doesn't say they did something doesn't mean they didn't do it. If you have had any experience with valve in the past that's a given. In this case all it takes is to look at the last time one of these was unboxed (a very very long time ago), versus the thousands of other unusuals that have been unboxed since then.
Why are you even in this discussion when you can't even afford the item in question?
You actually think that matters? This isn't "let's decide who can contribute based on how much money they put into the game". That doesn't discount anything I have said or contributed. Honestly I'd rather have someone with a 1 key backback giving thoughtful and meaningful contributions to discussion rather than someone with a 100 bud backpack just being a bigot.
Besides, technically you are wrong since everything in this game is relatively cheap.
Disprove the claims made in the pastebin link then. Any of them. Show me a Noh mercy unboxed in 2013. Show me one with Old Halloween, New Halloween, Robotic, or 3rd gen (disco, cloud9, miami...)
Just one. I'll be waiting. In the meantime, it's safe to say they're discontinued.
skaskanker: discontinued implies they will never be unboxed again
skaskanker: which you just don't have the proof for
Shadow #1: Okay, I can concede that point
Shadow #1: They may be unboxable again in the future, if valve corrects this
Thank you, my case has been closed =]