Suggestion: The Value of Teamwork at 1.2–1.35 keys

second link at 1.2 keys did sell, history on paints don't update most of the time, because the paint was used before tracked in a backpack. He no longer has the paint, so it sold.

just for reference, all sellers currently on outpost divided in 2 groups

Valid:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14357786 selling at 1 key 1.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14467921 selling at 1 key 2 ref (multiple)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9805396 selling at 1 key 2 ref (multilpe)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14464441 selling at 1 key 2 ref (multiple)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14321337 selling 1 key 1.22 (sold both, not in bp)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14237849 sold at 1 key 2 ref (own trade)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13926479 selling at 1 key 2 ref, sold some but unknown when (multiple)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14422812 selling at 1 key 1 ref (unbumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14342795 selling at 1 key 2 ref (unbumped, possibly multiple)

Invalid: (as in out of both ranges, taking offers, out of stock etc)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13242077 selling at 1 key 3 ref (offer of 1 key 2 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12799477 taking offers on the set

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11663126 taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12931558 selling at 1 key 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12227470 out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8789997 whole bp as set

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14129658 out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14485848 selling 1 key 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14426791 taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14427413 unbumped and would value the paint at 0-.33

it is very hard to track the sales of people with multiple, as alot of the time people don't comment (i've had 5 adds, and none of them commented)

only 19 trades on outpost, of which only 9 are valid, and 2 of those are unbumped, and 4 of them have multiple making it hard to track

"Valid":

L1: Again - NO SPEICIFIC ADDS FOR Teamwork - unless you contact him and get proof that he sold it - its unclear what happened to it and the proof cannot be used.

L2: No change in history, no comments

L3:1 comment , 1 month old. Unclear if the deal went through.

L4:Only comment is for 7 ref - unclear if sold.

L5:No comments, unclear if sold.

L6:You provided proof - good.

L7:Good

L8:7 ref , within range.

L9:No comments, history change.

Most of these people are on bp.tf - how about you stop being lazy and if you want to convince me ( and possibly the moderators too ) you contact the sellers and ask for the sales if there are any..?

i am just showing all trades on outpost with that last comment, with valid i ment within the current or suggested range...

not in the backpack means it was sold, or he deleted it, but who would do that. Alot of the time people don't comment so.

Or.. used it?

also possible, but in general not, this person also does not have any value painted items so unless he 1. sold the item he painted, 2. removed the paint because he has a reason 3. repainted the item,

he just sold the paint

That's your theory. You have no proof of that.

so you are going to doubt everything?

if someone says added on a trade, they could have offered and got it for less then the asked price,

if no one added the person but is in a different inventory, it could have been an alt of his.

screenshots could be faked

i can continue with this, so according to you nothing is proof unless you see it happen with your own eyes?

assuming the person isnt dumb, he has no particulair reason to paint something and then directly sell it, as he couldve checked the color before, same goes for removing/repainting the item.

dispite the errors in the proof, it is much better that team spirit because it it bright, and ts is dull. this has bothered me for so long

1.2 - 1.32 is still pushing it though, i think you should have kept it at 1.2

Again my trade is missing on a paint vote. I sell Team Spirit and Value of Teamwork for the same amount. Always have, and should continue to do so. All the proof is awful. Down vote for sure. There is no market desire for VoT over Team Spirit. So a difference in price is utterly ridiculous.

i know team spirit is way more wanted, but value of teamwork has a smaller market.

i did list your trade in the last comment to imfree, but i couldnt track if you sell/how fast you sell.

i am considering resuggesting at 1.2 flat though,

Whatever your logic is, in my experience, VoT and TS have always been viewed upon as equal, with TS getting more interest solely because more people know about it. Especially since its in a crate. Price wise there has never been a difference since i started selling paints. Never.

i haven't had that long experience with team paints, since it was hard to get stock at first etc etc.

i have been selling TS at 1 key 2 ref for almost 2 weeks now, and sold 2 i think, while i've only had my vot price at 1 key 2 ref for a week (1 key 3 ref at first) and i sold about 5 of them in that week, which made me think vot is easier to sell then TS.

seeing at this won't go anywhere like this, i will close it.

I don't think you have enough proof for the high end...

I also think you don't have enough proof to raise the low end to 1.2--your resellers @ 1 key + 1 rec. somewhat disprove your low end.

they buy at 1 key 1 rec, so i'm not sure why it disproves my low end.