Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 5.88–6.11 ref

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~57.22 ref

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EVERYONE, HATE ME

These are still on the rise, although at a much slower pace.

They said I should quote myself 9 weeks later, but it seems appropiate now, http://puu.sh/4w7YD.png

They aren't rising as quick as they used to.

5.88 is pretty much the new 5.77 now (still in range, tho, there's still a few [quick]buyers getting adds), 6.11 is now possible.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14352150 - 6 ref (sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14441286 - 6 ref (sold out in 2-3 days, had many keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14474583 - 6 ref (sold at least 2, according to comments)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13981099 - 6 ref (sold out, price was the same for a month, has several added posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14295507 - 6 ref (also sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13836883 - 6 ref (sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14314054 - 6 ref (reseller, sold at least one according to history on the post, also bought one at 5.88)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14504055 - 6 ref (sold out, sold 14 according to desc.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14414729 - 6 ref (sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14520830 - 6 ref (sold within a bump)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12708295 - 6 ref (several recent added posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14518812 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14520679 - 6 ref (already sold - been an hour since the trade is up)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14090684 - 6 ref (several added posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14487136 - 6 ref (sold 4)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13323244 - 6 ref (lots of added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14520412 - 6 ref (sold within a bump)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14390715 - 6 ref (sold at least 2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14505159 - 6 ref (sold 2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14294739 - 6 ref (sold 10 according to desc)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10830421 - 6 ref (sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13644697 - 6 ref (sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14185648 - 6 ref (sold out)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14186362 - 6 ref (some added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14515671 - 6 ref (sold one)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14069561 - 6 ref (recent added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12898112 - 6.11 (reseller, sold a few according to recent comments)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14402668 - 6.11 (sold at least the 3 keys shown on the trade window, sold 11 according to desc.)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14505528 - 6.11 (already sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14395862 - 6.11 (sold at least 3, history on the keys shown)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13823131 - 6.11 (reseller, has some recent posts to buy)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 - 6.11 (recent added posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14123232 - 6.11 (reseller, also has an added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13907303 - 6.11 (sold at least 3)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14326898 - 6.11 (sold at least one(?) - key put up in the post is not in bp)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14486125 - 6.11 (sold one)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13156173 - 6.11 (recent added posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13244068 - 6.11 (reseller, sold at 6.11?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14437454 - 6.11 (reseller, has 5 recent posts)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14502580 - 6.11 (at least one sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14495532 - 6.11 (sold at least 6 according to history on keys shown)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13573915 - 6.11 (sold at least one)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14201335 - 6.11 (sold one)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14390715 - 6.11 (sold at least one, according to the key's owner history)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13176667 - 6.11 (sold 2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14458225 - 6.11 (sold both keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14442911 - 6.11 (has an added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13904044 - 6.22 (reseller, claims to have sold at 6.11)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11483623 - 6.22 (reseller, has some recent added post)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14493229 - 6.22 (sold 1)

I'm not incluiding any bots.

Even though 6.22 is already happening, there's not too much proof supporting it.

inb4

*"not enough proof"

*#savetehkeyz

*cleverpun warnings

*at least 1 banned user

*<50%

*"you're destroying teh economy fuk u!!!!111!"

*people saying "upvoted", -70

*bad counterproof

I'll be adding proof as time passes

I don't like keys rising as much as the next guy, but I can't argue with this incontrovertible evidence. Upvoted.

Isn't there a rule that Keys can no longer be priced up with only a half a scrap difference?

they can go up by half a scrap after a week has passed since last suggestion was accepted

Oh, right. I remember that part now. Upboat.

Pyroman! You picked up yourself after all those missed rep farming opportunities! That's my boy :')

Oh how I love you Pyroman.

Glad I GTFO unusual trading and selling items in general before this shnitzelstorm, keys go up, buds and refined go down, the cycle of (TF2)life.

Upvote.

sold 20 keys at 6 ref today, its an easy sell now

I hate to see it happen, but there's no way to argue with the proof.

thanks for the support

Quite a few of your 6.11 sellers seem to just have changed their prices to 6.11 recently, they're also old, so the "many add" could not have been for the 6.11 price. Neutral though, and yes, you'll need more than approximately 20 links.

I've done this before with roughly the same amount of links of the same quality, I feel quite confident.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14536841 (5.66)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14536198 (2x 5.77)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14536098 (5.66)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14535734 (5.77)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14535357 (5.66)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14535129 (5.66)

just a quick search and find some counter proof...

it's normal if it desapear quickly... under range (many people doing profit with this business)

don't need to go up... 5.88-6 refs stills correct (cause it is possible to find under 6refs)

All of those were instasold, not to mention there will always be keys selling over and under bp.tf prices. These are not valid proof, it's just uneducated sellers that are lazy (or possibly irrational) that won't look for any buyers, who are all paying more than they're asking.

you remember you got banned for this recently right?

and banned again LOL

Why not?

And who says that, may I ask? #savetehkeyz?

Hey, you may dislike all you want, both of you. When it comes to keys proof sways only one half of the votes, the other one is of people who don't want this to get accepted. May I direct your attention to the last suggestion that barely got over 50% and it only raised the low end.

People are stubborn and don't like change especially when it comes to a currency. If this gets accepted I seriously question the ligitimacy of the voting.

#opinion #embracethedislikes

You don't make any sense at all.

Theres a reason why the mods have final say, if the proof supports a raise in price the suggestion will get accepted.

I didn't downvote your comment. I (99.9% of the time) never upvote/downvote comments.

I don't see why people are still opposing key suggestions. I also don't see how this is ruining the economy. The reason this gets so much downvotes is because people people like you are having heart attacks over keys rising, without realizing ref going down is one reason keys are going up in refined value.

When have I said that I am oposed to the key rising. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have been a part of this community long enough to know that this will be a tough one to pass, das all.

>This won't get accepted regardless of the amount of proof you have, or at least that's what I hope, for the sake of the trading community.

Pretty sure you're saying that you're against key suggestions right there.

The reason keys are ruining the economy is because there were tons of people with idle accounts getting FAR too much metal, which inflated the amount of metal in the game. But now that generating free metal is harder, keys are slowing.

Idling isn't making keys rise. Idling is just making ref go down.

Key voter logic:

"Downvoting this suggestion with a shit ton of good proof and me not providing any counter-proof at all means this suggestion will be declined? Right....?" Which is why votes on a key suggestion is invalid. Majority of the voters vote based on their opinion. And what the fuck is up with your hashtags? This isn't Twitter.

i've also questioned myself about the purpose of the voting system, it's pretty much pointless since accepting is all down to the mods.

It's pretty much just a way to build rep, heh.

not exactly. If the mods are going to go against the voters, then the proof has to be quite clearly pointing in one direction.

WOW FOR ONCE I ACTAULY AGREE WITH PYRO MAN

umm... your speaking about sense but your sentence does''t make sence

In what way does it not make sense?

Also, *you're

Right when I thought keys would stabilize at 6 ref...

except that demand is increasing for halloween and the price in general rose due to brazilian/russian key prices increasing.

And the market price is up above $2.40 now :x

I expected this too. I had high hopes.

Keys are retarded, go look at the Community Market listings for Robokeys. It's like $2.70 right now which is ridiculous considering they're still 2.49 on the Mann.Co Store.

And remember when we all blamed Halloween last year for bringing up key prices? Well... guess what major commercial holiday is coming up.

I agree with this but god damn is this gonna hurt the economy.

How is it going to hurt the economy?

the economy is doing better then ever <_<

Care to explain this statement?

More users then ever before. More money circulating around then ever before. More wealthy traders than ever before.....

Care to explain how keys increasing is detrimental in anyway?

I never said they were, I was simply interested in your said of the argument. I tend to stay neutral on the whole key price/tf2 state of economy argument.

I agree nobody sells lower then 6 ref and sellers at 6 get sold fast

I may get disliked for this, but I don't care, I've actually seen people attempting to lower prices down to crazy prices like 2.66 ref (No, I'm nor supporting or against it, I'm rather neutral when it comes to prices, just vote based on proof or prior logic).

Those people who sell for 2.33-2.66 aren't exactly in their right minds as they believe they can change the price of keys by selling a key super cheap :3

They're also the same people who accuse backpack.tf of manipulating prices, but then form a group themselves with the sole intention of manipulating prices. #irony#stupid

Fairly sure this is not linked to backpack.tf, but do you remember how manipulators originally increased key prices?

They didn't because it never happened. Keys rose due to speculators believing that keys would be in short supply with the advent of the community market, and as a result keys rose, and that speculation just continued even though the reasoning behind it was gone.

And yet I sold at 6 Ref maybe 2 hours ago, and got no adds until then even though I made the trade last night.

Actually ive been selling a few keys at 6 ref still no adds, and also I've been able to buy keys around 5.77 .....

Actually i bought around 10 at 5.88

Nobody ? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14443499 there's still some. Just hard to find.

The economy is doing better than ever <_<

So, you don't care about the economy you just want to play the game yet you care about the price of keys....News Flash, you don't need keys to play the game.

#Logic

It ain't killing the economy, #savetehkeyz is what is killing the economy.

Thank you Pyroman :c

Great reason to downvote a suggestion.

At this rate, by the time next year it might be more profit-able to do some random crafting than buy keys...Sell some 1+ key items you get lucky enough to craft.

Edit: No one ever gets sarcastic jokes, though if keys ever did reach over 10 ref each I probably might do random crafts instead..

You don't buy keys to make profit, you buy keys because Ref takes up too much space and buying high tier items with keys is better than Ref (even before keys went up it was impossible to buy an unusual for Ref)

Given how much key have risen, I think it was a wise investment some time ago.

I'll buy every key you have for 5.88 Ref ea

Ok, i'll pay 5.77 Ref

What a coincidence.

I hope cleverpun/Vincent has mercy...

No, 5.77 is a quicksell as there are hundreds of buyers paying 6 ref, and 5.77 sells instantly.

You take a loss to help greedy traders get keys cheaper ? Is that what you're saying

Nothing wrong with quicksellin it helps people profit

owns 0. probs the only person tring to update keys with ownin 0. looks good bby. good luck!

I've stored this conversation for a while...

Hectic: anyone want to buy a bud for 22 keys?

Pyroman: SELILNG S. FLARE GUN, S. AMBASSADOR, S. KUNAI

ThEsCoUt:hey

Donate to obtain premium benefits!

Pyroman: are you talking to me?

ThEsCoUt: ya

BooWooHoo: Selling everything in page 8 of my bp, trade me!

ThEsCoUt: aint you the one who suggests at bp.tf

Pyroman: SELILNG S. FLARE GUN, S. AMBASSADOR, S. KUNAI

ThEsCoUt:?

Hectic: anyone want to buy a bud for 22 keys?

DanTheGuy:Need to get rid of items for pure? Send me a trade!

ThEsCoUt: your longs alt aint you?

Remember to follow the server's rules!

Hectic: yeah fuck you, your manipulating the market

Pyroman: wut

ShadowAssasin: Selling three 1 of 1 unusuals for pure only offers!

At that moment I was like "Boy, that escalated quickly"

i dont hate you, soon the prices of keys will lead to things being too expensive then the whole tf2 economy will come crashing down. ;)

Its actually growing not even remotely close to crashing

OH YES I TOTALLY AM AN ALT

i sell and buy heaps at this price

I'd be glad if you provided some more proof.

Also Proof at 6 Ref (Mine)

http://i.imgur.com/lWpHyHZ.png

http://i.imgur.com/OtM1oiX.png

http://i.imgur.com/Flk8N8j.png

http://i.imgur.com/f564j2k.png

He's being conservative.

Ah alright.

If keys going up Earbuds will continue to drop more. I've already seen people selling for 20 keys.

Ok.

P.s. buds used to be 12 keys, so since keys should 2.33 Ref, buds should also be 12 keys.

you dont need to say sth like ”EVERYONE, HATE ME“ if your proof is solid

so far I keep it as neutral and ima wait for a few days

You know it's a joke right, because Pyro made a key suggestion before and basically got ripped a new one. xD

Are keys still being sold at 5.88 ref? If not, you might as well change the range to 6-6.11.

conservative bump.

/although i tend to agree with you

Guys

the Proof is all here

it's become pretty obvious that 5.88 sells rather quickly, and even seller at 6 ref sell out too

Upvote

Just..... Don't be like these people please http://puu.sh/4wbJb.jpg

Y U NO INCLUDE MY TRADE!? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13244068

I sold at least 30 at 6 ref, decided to bump up to 6.11, I still get adds.

Upvoted.

Oh, and a comment to anyone saying "dis killz teh econbomy" I'd like to point out that the economy in TF2 is getting stronger. If traders did not have anough metal to buy at 6 refined and above, it wouldn't be possible to sell at 6 refined and above. Reliable sales at higher prices mean that the average shopper has more buying power.

http://puu.sh/4wc4D.png

It's there

i dont hate you, soon the prices of keys will lead to things being too expensive then the whole tf2 economy will come crashing down. ;). Looking back at this, why did suggestions for KEYS at 55%, 64% and 57% get accepted, and my suggestions for hats that were at 69% got closed?

It may be due to the fact that the admins running backpack.tf have agreed to some but not all of the suggestions, despite the fact that the votes are high. I have seen some suggestions that get a major downvote and are still accepted. Final decision is theirs I guess, otherwise if it is all down to voting then some people my vote completely out of convenience and not of proof.

This is because voting should not be the deciding factor whether a mod accepts or closes a suggestion. In suggestions like raising keys, people tend to downvote as many don't want keys to rise, so it wouldn't be a good indicator as they are not voting according to the walls of proof.

In contrast, suggestions that have more than 60% of the votes tend to be suggestions lowering keys, which these people upvote, causing the higher percentage. However, on key suggestions voting is never accurate as to whether the suggestion will pass or not as many people vote based on whether it is lowering or raising keys.

Ultimately, the voting system is only there to give the mod a better judgment on most items.

Hehh, ok fine I'll upvote.

Everything I expected to come in a single comment.

Thanks for remarking that, I TOTALLY want the market to become shit.

"im downvoting this since I don't want keys to get over 6 refined"

Your first mistake, saying that YOU want the keys to be under 6 ref

"but now its just been made shit, because of YOU"

Your second mistake, it's not his fault, it's the economy's fault (or is it a fault at all?)

Your third mistake: I don't see any logic in what you just typed

Im sorry, do you want to actually be able to trade and let new user be able to come into this segment of the game, when they wont be able to afford to do anything with their first bit of metal? doing this suggestion will just encourage people to rie their prices even MORE than the suggested price, causing more fucking suggestions

You're talking to a guy who started out trading in the middle of the key uprising, and now I have about a $120 backpack. Obviously, it will be harder to trade and profit for new people, but it certainly won't be impossible, especially if you put your mind to it.

I started out myself when keys were like 3.66, and now I'm poor as fuck (i used to have a 2 buds bp, tho), I actually could rise up when I was new to trading tho, so new traders should also be able to build themselves up.

Mate, you gots to calm down. Most of us are like you, hating the prices of keys to go up, but trading in real life, these things can be inevitable. It is what we do with the inevitable that is important, and if keys skyrocket, then we have to adapt to it. And moreover, this website serves as a "tool" to help young and expert traders by showing the current prices of items. If we don't have these things, we might be losing/gaining money without knowing it, and note that the prices in backpack.tf that are accepted aren't manipulated, because the power of manipulation is in the trades.

>spreadsheet is better than bp.tf since it didn't manipulate

LOL bp.tf didn't manipulate at all, and spreadsheet is not ACCURATE AT ALL and is horrendously outdated, not to mention, have you heard of the spreadsheet scandal? The site is run by a single person that is now a marked scammer, and just created the site for their own benefit. There's no proof whatsoever for the random, arbitrary prices he puts on anything.

In contrast, bp.tf has several mods working everyday to make the site as clean and accurate as possible. There's always proof which means there's nothing to hide here.

If you won't do any better than shitpost then it'd be better for you to go away with your bogus opinion.

As much as I hate the prices of Keys to increase, we cannot control people to "not sell prices above my desired price" because in the world, people want to make profits and will always try to set a price slightly higher than the norm. And because there are so many keys and demand is high, it leads to the keys' rapid increment of price IMO. I know how you feel, but I guess we have to deal with what we have now. In real life, this would be what one might face too.

Let's examine what you're saying here:

-Im [sic] sorry, do you want to actually be able to trade

-Wouldn't bother anyone on this site, really.

-and let new user be able to come into this segment of the game, when they wont be able to afford to do anything with their first bit of metal?

-First, not really anyone's problem but theirs. Second, there are items they can buy with their initial metal, or they can save up. I see no issue here.

-doing this suggestion will just encourage people to rie [sic] their prices even MORE than the suggested price, causing more fucking suggestions

-This suggestion represents the market and the current price of this item. I didn't open a trade because any suggestion was made, I opened one in order to make profit to buy the things I need. If keys dropped to 2 ref next week, I'd just open a trade to sell at 2.11.

Friendly advice; stop posting spam before a moderator bans you from the site.

A Quote from Baloo

"I like how some people complain that key prices rising are making it harder and harder for newer traders to break into the TF2 economy, yet every day I see trades like this: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14321352

Already trying to sell keys for 7 refined, yet his backpack is worth less than a Bill's Hat: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198091777817

The poor are just as greedy as the rich, and just as much part of the problem."

Hmm, I'm quite new to this so please forgive me if I am wrong but shouldn't you place some evidence that 5.88 is still possible since it is in your range? XD But anyways, your evidence seems to be irrefutable. However I will stand neutral for now XD

I'm being conservative, sure 5.88 sells fast as hell now and 6-6.11 may seem suitable but that would just bring an overload of hate.

Seeing from how the suggestions of keys are going around in backpack.tf, regardless of what price you put, there will always be people hating you for it. But still, I am coming under the point that evidence should be given for 5.88 since I have seen some suggestions with ranges, for example, 5.44-5.88 but only provides proof for 5.55 to 5.88 and still got closed for the lack of 5.44 evidence and have been asked to changed the range to 5.55-5.88 instead.

He really only needs proof of 6.11 as 5.88 is already in the range. (6-6.11 would be better, but 5.88-6.11 actually has a better chance of being accepted due to it being more conservative).

I'm sorry, I am a bit confused on how 5.88 is inclusive in the range :p Mind elaborating a bit? Anyways, I am just concerned that this trade might get closed if no proof of 5.88 is given XD

5.88 is already in the current range, so its less important to prove it. Besides, rarely is proof ever provided for the lower bound as they tend to always be quicksells (even 6 ref trades sell quite quickly). But conservatives bumps are usually better for keys as they draw less hate, and are more likely to be accepted (especially since people love to claim they get keys for less on trade servers all the time).

I see now. Thanks :D

Valve supposedly fixed the problem of idlers. When will refined metal stop dropping in value? Hopefully it'll level off soon.

They already found a way around it.

And even though the amount of metal being produced every day is slightly lower than before, it's still increasing, and thus more metal will be on the market, and demand over the last few months has just been decading and that trend will go on for some time probably. I doubt keys will go back down overnight.

Oh, I never expect them to go back down. With every new tf2 player comes an influx of metal from random drops just waiting to inflate the market.

I just expect the rate at which key prices grow to slow down.

the rate already has slowed down quite a bit.

just wait til halloween

I was really really REALLY hoping the price would level out at 6 ref. Shame to see that can't be true.

#savetehkeyz (LOL NOPE). Enough proof for me, Upvote

Need more proof for 6.11, lots of them are over a day and some over a week.

The only reason why I'm against this price is because of such a big range, but, then again, we had 5.77-6, which is as big as this range so I have no right to complain.

More solds at 6.11 would be nice c:

6 ref is too too too easy to buy. I bought around 150keys for 6 ref in past 2-3 days. I am going out for a bit, will post trade screenshots when I come back.

No need for 6.11 ref. Its a bad suggestion.

Excellent proof, and i've been buying at 6 ref for a week now and i've bought about 10 keys.

Calm your tities. I said I'll post the proof when I come back. Here are my screenshots of some trades made on 21st and 20th of this month. If you are still skeptical, these trades in the screenshots should match against my backpack history.

http://imgur.com/d0SpypW

http://imgur.com/pQKxHIx

http://imgur.com/TNi4Uk5

http://imgur.com/U9llIiq

http://imgur.com/LCFdR9i

http://imgur.com/JD6GSjT

http://imgur.com/KuzHeI3

imgur.com/ZPQuMQa

http://imgur.com/SBJFWKw

http://imgur.com/rtlCnfh

http://imgur.com/Je5U9Mx

These are about 87 keys there, I have more screenshots to do to show more then 150 but I am out of time. I will post them later. Now please be patient.

6 is in the range and he is showing proof 6.11 is common too. This suggestion doesn't in any way say that 6 ref isn't possible.

Why would you even think of buying a key at 6.11 when there are a shit ton available for 6 ref? Every second trader is selling his key for 6 ref. Why in the world this stupidity? For detailed analysis on the suggestion's fuck up see comments below.

I have a key myself, they seem to be what everyone craves the most, it is EASILY obtainable for 6 ref currently.

So if Backpack.tf does indeed control the market by the constant price increases, mind explaining why the bmoc didn't continue to rise and ended up crashing?

I use to stay neutral on key suggestions...

-But when you list successful sellers at 6.11 and they really sell for 6, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12050155 (no keys btw)

-say they've sold recently when they have no keys in their inventory http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13907303

Claim recent posts can be 1 month old http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12898112

Not to mention that half of the links are just1 or 2 keys being sold, when those keys could've gone to anywhere. That a key has changed owner could have meant he got a good deal and traded the key, but the key he didn't succeed to sell for refined is STILL in his inventory

I gotta say that the proof for 6.11 is horrible and I see the sellers for 6 refined stagger. Accepting this would be blind, since you prove that most trades go for 6 ref and traders have a hard time selling for more, with few unsuccessful trades.

Remember that not even 20 valid links, justifying 40 validly sold keys can be enough to raise an item that is sold in its 10 000's every day. There is a term called "Get lucky", like when I put my Filamental up for lower than the market price and it got sold for a key. If the same happens to my friend, that doesn't mean a key should be in the range, rather we got lucky. I still struggle to sell any one key I have for 6 refined.

I never thought you would do this. Downvote (it's worth a try)

You guys do know that the sole propagator for rising key prices is your suggestions on here, right? The community likes to buy for the lowest prices listed on here, and mostly sells for 1 scrap more than the highest point in the range. Then you guys see that people sell for 1 scrap more than the highest point, and you include it in the range. The sellers see the price change, and continue to sell for 1 scrap added ontop the highest point in the range. The spiral continues, and seemingly nobody wants to acknowledge it.

^^^^^^This

So if Backpack.tf does indeed control the market by the constant price increases, mind explaining why the bmoc didn't continue to rise and ended up crashing?

This is a key suggestion with the least amount of hate I've seen in a Long218 time.

Surely I am not the only one to have looked through his proof?

Your 6.11 proof is bad.

L1: "Recent" comments are 1 month old. Prices may have changed.

L2: 6 ref on right hand side suggest prices have changed since trade began. No evidence of 6.11 sales.

L3: Fair enough.

L4: Original price was 6 ref as shown by the right hand side of the trade.

L5: Prices have obviously changed over the duration of the trade. Your recent "added" comments did not specify to buy, don't jump to conclusions.

L6: Selling price is now 6 refined, he obviously couldn't sell at 6.11.

L7: Prices have obviously been changed throughout the duration of his trade. No added comments for a week. He is also an excessive relister, we'll see a few more of his trades coming up in your other links.

L8: Only 1 recent add in comments in 3 weeks.

L9: Fair enough.

L10: Sold to a F2P with 64 hours of Team Fortress 2, obviously an inexperienced trader. Really?

L11: "Recent" adds are 4 days and 2 weeks old. Price has obviously been changed since commencement of trade.

L12: The trader specifies that 6.11 is an updated price - there is no proof a key was sold for 6.11.

L13: Same guy as your 7th link. Here are all of his relisted trades: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14437454 , http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14177942 , http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14158147 , http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14135585 , http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14123232 . On top of this, his prices could easily have been changed since the creation of his trade.

L14: Fair enough.

L15: Fair enough.

L16: Sold "at least 1" 1 Month ago.

L17: Price recently revised, no recent added comments.

L18: Price most likely revised, no added comments in 4 days.

L19: No recent comments, price revised as shown by 6 ref on right hand side of trade.

L20: No proof either was sold at 6.11 or 6.22 for that matter, which they now have listed as their price.

L21: Comment doesn't specify that they added to buy.

And your 6.22s:

L1: No proof of any sale.

L2: 1 add in 3 weeks. Hardly successful.

L3: Price revised for 6.22 to 6.17 - So 6.22 is clearly not happening, like you said it was. I would love to see some proof for 6.22.

And the current sellers below 6.11, only unsolds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13190883 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14518956 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14529402 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14275902 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14274227 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13981099 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13501482 - 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12708295 - 6 ref

And your 6 ref sellers:

L3: Still has keys in bp. Yes he has sold keys at 6 ref, that's because it's in the range.

L4: Not sold out.

L5: Also not sold out, he just made a new trade.

Keys are still readily available for 6 refined, and yes they sell for 6 refined, there is nothing wrong with them selling for that.

damn...back to neutral.

Yes they are readily available for 6 ref. I have added some proof, around 87 keys out of 154ish I bought in the comments above. I shall be posting the screenshots of those soon.

Actually, I am Link 12, and like I said before, I bumped my price because I get so many adds at 6 ref, and I can make a larger profit margin by selling for 6.11. I now get adds for 6.11 ref.

http://imgur.com/qfxfF6W

If I hadn't been reliably selling them, I would have taken it down.

Few days ago I had trade up for 5,88 per key and I didnt get a single add in few days. Later I finaly managed to buy keys under 6 ref. I paid 59,77 for 10 keys. 5,88 isnt possible man and pretty sure wasnt unless you were looking for new trade selling keys under price every minute. actually I like 6 flat the most but there s no point for 5,88 ref in range. Maybe you get more upvotes this way but who cares about upvotes

That was years ago. It's just like how everyday items vary in real life. The keys are like the dollars and every purchasable item is the metal.

And there used to be only 10,000 users on Outpost (theres now around 400,000), buds also used to be 12 keys, bills used to be 4 keys, there only used to be 20~ effects (vs. 40~ now), there were only a couple hats instead of thousands, there was no community market...

Shall i really continue? Things change. If key prices hadn't changed in over 2 years then that would be a sign that the economy is crashing....

After reading all those conversations and checking that proof, i can only say:

Upboat :)

I hate you for that, but the proof is solid like a rock. Upvote.

Don't get why people love ranges so much on this site. Just put it at 6 fucking ref flat, what the market is clearly showing. Your 6.11 proof is shite.

5.77. 5.88 and 6.11 occurs. That's why there's a range.

What do you think 6 flat implies? If you want to sell it fast or on scrap.tf you go 5.88, but they still move at 6.11.

this site really forced keys into the 6 refs range there were tons of seller for 5.77-5.88 and it was impossible to sell for 6 refs and the 5.88-6 refs got accepted, now what? They are trying to force the 6.33 refs(6.11 refs will be for sure increased to 6.33 just for "rounding" purposes between traders) with intention to subsequently reach first 6.66 refs then 7 refs and when keys reach 7 refs a guy will suggest 7.11 refs and here we go again..

If Valve keeps releasing crates with new stranges and new unusual effects, there will be more demand for Keys to open those crates. Combined with the declining value of Refined metal, it's very easy to see why we have 6 Ref. Keys. Upvoted for good proof.

when Valve release cool crates they need "special" keys aka Easy cash grab keys , or tell me did your normal keys turned into summer keys during the Summer sale? Do you think your keys will turn into the Eerie keys during Halloween? First people blamed the idlers for the raise of the keys, now they are blaming the new crates? Come on #71 and #60 are considered one of the worst crates released, even they can be considered as "troll crates" since the stranges they contain are pretty useless

6 isnt hard to get, and after sifting through those 6.11 solds, many are at least a month old, and lots of the links with the recent adds posted are also buying at 5.88, and shouldnt be used as solid proof until it's shown that these adds actually are buying the keys at 5.88

Downvote from me, need more high end proof

The economy's been doing better than ever. Key prices are accurate right now because of mass idlers getting free metal, thus making it much easier to get items and keys etc for practically free.

If the price of keys keeps going up like it is, then people better start hoarding them so they become more valuable :3

I really don't like how high the prices of these have gone up But i can't argue with all the evidence here as well as the price of metal going down at the same time having a factor in this.

How to survive a key suggestion.

1) Read the proof

2) Read through the comments

2.5) For extra entertainment, show all the hidden and warned comments

3) Laugh at all the #SaveTehKeyz people

4) Vote accordingly

5)???

6) Profit!!

Also, i find 6 ref is perfect for a key. Great for easy calculations. (I.e. Ref in a bud : 22*6).

Good proof, inevatible suggestion, upvote.

*ridiculous.

Also, votes should be based on evidence, not opinions. You people should be objective instead of biased

it's still not a problem getting keys for 6 ref.

yet 6.11 sells

I don't know the logic behind this, but it's the logic that has constatly made keys rise lately

fuck logic then, i believe that people take the green arrow up as a "zomg i have to overpay to get this", #KILLTHEGREENARROWZOMG

keys start rising on backpack.tf

sellers take advantage and rise their prices accordingly

buyers check backpack.tf after being outraged at prices, suck it up, and pay top dollar

because of the rise in prices to accommodate the original price in keys another one gets suggested

repeat

eventually keys rise so much in so little time that people dont even need to check backpack.tf they just rise it up a scrap every day

iz fact.The destiny

i sold 3 at 6.11 too not all sell at 6.11 but 6.11 have success sold so it should be in range

Proof please, they're killing me

do i have 2 find that in my trading history or just post the trade link

trade history is better

You traded with Scorpion. 4:54pm

+Refined Metal, Refined Metal, Refined Metal, Refined Metal, Refined Metal, Refined Metal, Scrap Metal

–Mann Co. Supply Crate Key

somehow steam is not letting me go 2 second page of my history D;

could you take a screenshot of that?

is in full scren sorry

The two scrap price range seems a bit odd for keys...

Definate proof, seen a lot selling/sold at 6/6.11.

I play TF2 on trade servers for hours a day and have NEVER seen a key sell for 6.11, and they rarely sell at 6 ref. Screw using Outpost as proof, downvote.

Tell me a way to get proof from trade servers.

Go play them yourself. I base all of my votes on what I see rather than links.

i dont like keys writing but they are. and i cant stop it. to much proof. upvote.

I bought like 2 in 3 hours very easily for 5.88 :p

still in range

If keys aren't going up, but ref is going down, why 9 craft hats with 2 keys instead of 6 hats and 8 bills hats with 48 keys instead of 6 bills

craft hats (also see: every hat) are less -- "but priced in ref and must lower b/c crafting"

bill's hats dropped 2 keys in price

buds have dropped

http://backpack.tf/stats/5021/6/0 - } keys rise

http://backpack.tf/stats/143/6/0 --- } while buds drop (see that they are in the same time frame)

http://backpack.tf/stats/161/6/0 -- big kill dropped

http://backpack.tf/stats/294/3/0 -- vintage lugermorph dropped

if keys were staying the same why isn't everything that is priced in keys staying the same

The demand for keys right now is at its peak as people want keys for halloween.

This is a yearly trend, buds go up before the summer, and during the summer they begin to fall and continue to fall until halloween/xmas as the demand for keys (unboxing) increases.