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Just bringing this down due to the massively inflated price:
1 of 1 in the world. None on the market, none had been on sale. But the current price is inflated by 6.5 buds.
All credits goes to Satan for the proof, as this was his suggestion last time:
1 of 1 Anti-Freeze Villain's Veil (27 buds)
Only 1 sale so far as its 1 of 1, new owner isn't selling it. Sold for 27 buds pure (he didn't pay all at once because he didn't have the buds, screenies show it all). 1 sale 1 hat easy suggestion :P
http://i.imgur.com/WMqw4VT.png
http://i.imgur.com/VzrLK5a.png
The veil was sold for 27 pure buds.
At that moment in time, those 27 buds were worth the same as 33.5 buds today.
The veil has not been sold since. The price has rightfully been increase due to the deflation of the cost of buds.
What is so hard to understand about that?
I don't know why all of you are butthurtting over an adjustment of price. The item was purchased using 27 pure buds, The prices of metals and keys decrease and increase respectively, causing all unusual prices to increase a little, for those price in buds.
However, buds prices in USD never did changed and its consistently around the 37-38 USD mark. And 6,5 buds = aprrox. 240.5 USD (taking buds at 37 USD).
Also, buds during that time was consistently being sold at 40 USD.
Calculation:
40 USD * 27 buds = 1080 USD
buds can easily be obtained for 37 USD now
37 USD * 33.5 buds = 1239.50 USD
So how is "27 buds were worth the same as 33.5 buds today"?
The ref changes yes do have an impact on the price that maybe should be accounted for, however the bud change is entirely different. Who buys buds for 37 now? Buds are an easy 35. 27 * 40 = 1080, 1080 / 35 = 30.86. That adjustment would at least make sense, taking it back to 27 is idiotic.
Clearly you never do any research and just blabber out baseless assumption that everyone buys buds at 35 USD now:
http://i.imgur.com/LVC6iri.png
Backpack.tf price buds at 37.2 .
Which means that the price of this veil is using 37.2 USD as the price for each buds. So I don't see how the adjustment make sense, and why taking it back to 27 is idiotic.
If the USD price of buds on the site is outdated what do you want me to tell you lol. It's extremely easy to buy them for $35. We aren't talking about "everyone" on a 30 bud misc, should be able to recoup his 27 in the equivalent of USD if there literally haven't been any sales since, and buds have unquestionably dropped. Are you going to go manually deflate every unusual to the price they were previously? What should this sites policy be on this exactly, I'm not seeing any common theme here
If the pricing of buds is 37.2 USD on this site, it means that every other unusual on this site are priced using 37.2 USD for each buds. If you think that the price of buds is outdated, its neither my fault nor my problem, go talk to brad if you're not satisfied.
As for your question: "Are you going to go manually deflate every unusual to the price they were previously?" - why do you think so many unusuals have been dropping in prices lately?
About the what the site's policy is or should be, its not my problem either. I don't run the site.
So you cite the programming of the site as reasoning to deflate the unusual, and say your flawed logic regarding the programming isn't your problem in the same backhanded statement.. Why are you taking this into your own hands then? If you're making a suggestion, much less have over 200 accepted suggestions, I would assume it WOULD be your problem, being a major contributor to the site. Why are you telling me to "go talk to brad", when this suggestion would indicate that you are the one who is "not satisfied"?
There is no grounds to lower this, much less to this extent. Instead of working around what you have you're stubbornly putting this specifically back to the same previous price based on no new evidence (when we can all agree 27 now is an inherently lower price than 27 then). With other unusuals people have generally been paying ~the newly deflated bud price, which comes about halfway between the refined price inflation and the bud price deflation, lowering it by the ratio that I used earlier to account for this would at least make sense, this doesn't. You're blaming the programming for the inflation and hiding behind it in the same suggestion.
Seems like a site-wide issue that you should be raising on the forums rather than an issue where you pick and choose what you want to lower solely based on the previous price, especially when there have been no sales, evidence, or even b/os to back up a decrease to this extent. There are literally hundreds of limited high end unusuals that have been artificially inflated to this extent- you can't manually deflate them all to the new bud price, and you shouldn't pick and choose. Either have to wait for more sales or give them all the same decrease. Just my two cents, and the reason I'm downvoting.
I still don't know why you're arguing about this. Clearly you never bother to check the forums to see if there's a post about this or whatsoever:
"Seems like a site-wide issue that you should be raising on the forums rather than an issue where you pick and choose what you want to lower solely based on the previous price" - unless you don't know, the issue has already been raised in the forums.
"With other unusuals people have generally been paying ~the newly deflated bud price" - again ,you're simply blabbering out a baseless statement with no proof whatsoever. If people are paying the newly deflated price, why do you think most unusuals are dropping in price day by day, consistently being updated by other users?
Rather than butthurting about this adjustment and disliking all my comments, you could've used the time to contribute to the site by adjusting other unusuals instead. Mind you, even if this does not pass, fair enough, I will still continue to do adjustments on other unusuals as well.
edit: and also, quote by Blind Polar Bear: "Ref change has passed - if possible, please use original suggestion values (not listed values) for future suggestions" "For example, scorching headwarmer was suggested at 9-11 but is listed at 10-12 now. Please use the 9-11."
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/3946-ref-change-has-passed-if-possible-please-use-original-suggestion-values-not-listed-values-for-future-suggestions/?hl=%2Bunusual+%2Bpricing#entry42789
If its true that the current inflated price is correct, why would they ask to use original suggestion value instead?
Monday the 20th of may, 1 day after the transaction that bought the veil for 27 pure. Buds listed price is 23-24 keys. Average 23.5.
Today I can go buy a bud off the classifieds for 19 with ease.
23.5/19 = 1.237
1.237 * 27 = 33.395
so you've taken a discrepancy of eleven tenths of a bud and used it as an excuse to try and suggest a price that is 6.5 buds lower?
So 27 buds at the time of the payment is 33.39 buds today.
33.5 buds is high by 0.328%, which equates to 2 keys.
You're suggesting we deck the price by 6.5 buds.
Learn to do some research on what unusuals prices are based on. They are based on USD not buds:
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/2288-stop-pricing-unusuals/page-3?hl=%2Bunusual+%2Brefined#entry23995 - read comment by brad.
"The major problem here is not that unusuals are priced in $, the major problem is that the $ value assigned to earbuds is not accurate because it is based on the price of metal. The site doesn't take into account that earbuds are sold cheaper in $ than their value in refined. The same goes for keys. So that's what needs to be addressed and it will be addressed in the very near future." excerpt from the quote by brad that you're pointing out, basically stating he was working on something on the back-end to correct this..
If you take this down to 27 (a price below what it even was 3 months ago in USD, with no justification), it will be taken down even further once a new system is implemented. You're beating a dead horse at this point, don't know how you can justify your logic, the whole passive aggressive thing isn't helping your case (I'm a person that appreciates being aggressive/negative, but this is just straight up stubborn-mindedness).
"If you take this down to 27 (a price below what it even was 3 months ago in USD, with no justification), it will be taken down even further once a new system is implemented." - I don't know why you're so concern about this. If a new system is implemented, and this is taken down, anyone can always do another adjustment to bring this up back to where it should be. Its not as if everything on this site is set to stone that we can't change anything. I'm not the one beating a dead horse here.
My logic here, as well as other major contributors here is simple: The percent change of unusual price is far greater than before due to multiple ref and buds price change. Also, I'm not the stubborn minded one here as well, most users were able to accept the fact that most of the high tier unusual prices were inflated by quite a lot compared to lower value unusuals, and that price suggestions are being made to adjust them accordingly.
Only a bunch of you, who are the stubborn ones, are consistently protesting against this particular adjustment, when there are at least 58 other unusuals which which experienced price adjustment since this suggestion was posted. So who's the stubborn one? Who was the one who originally said "With other unusuals people have generally been paying ~the newly deflated bud price" when it was clearly shown that more than 50 other unusuals had their price adjusted because no one was paying the new price?
Do not accuse me of being stubborn-minded, when its clear that you are the one unable to accept a change, and kept arguing with baseless statements. Also, disliking my comments won't help your cause either.
you just stated that its in USD.
You've said that buds were $40 and are now 35.
Even accepting the unusuals are priced in USD logic (which I find quite unrealistic) this suggestion is wrong.
40/35*27 = 30.8 buds
So why are you not suggesting 30.8 buds?
"You've said that buds were $40 and are now 35."
Which part of my comment did I say that buds were 35?
Even accepting the unusuals are priced in USD logic (which I find quite unrealistic) this suggestion is wrong.
40/35*27 = 30.8 buds
So why are you not suggesting 30.8 buds?
Its funny how you mention this after confidently saying "those 27 buds were worth the same as 33.5 buds today". I'm merely bringing this down to the original price of what it was sold for, not some speculation of what it's estimated to be worth. If you think the price should magically increase in buds just because keys go up/ref goes down/buds goes down without considering the declining hype of robo effects or whether ppl are actually paying the inflated price of high tier unusuals or not, then I can't help you.
Also, 60+ unusuals had already experienced price adjustment due to inflation since this particular suggestion was first brought up. So much for "those 27 buds were worth the same as 33.5 buds today." when clearly no one is paying the inflated prices on unusuals.
Isn't it posted on the forums that new hats/effects need more than one sale to make a price suggestion? Please correct me if I'm wrong; genuine question.
Yup, new unusuals need at least 2 sales to change the price. But I'm not suggesting a new price here, I'm just adjusting the inflated price due to the key/buds price change.
It was 3 months ago back when there was (some) hype. You need at least 2 new sales to update this.
Like I said, I wasn't suggesting a new price at all, I'm merely bringing down the price to where it should be. And like you said, there was some hype at that time, so a new price would most likely be lower (not proven), in that case, 33.5 buds is way off.
It's better to leave it outdated like this than to "fix it" by using a single, old sale. Plus the new(ish) rule is in effect and all robo/3rd gen unusuals need 2 sales since it came into effect. Just leave it outdated and wait for new sales to occur.
The point is, its not so much on being "outdated", its grossly "inflated" due to the change in prices of buds and keys. No one would bother fixing this if its outdated and no sales had taken place, that's fine. But bear in mind that 33.5 buds isn't even the original price. I would like to stress on the point that I'm suggesting a new price, I'm just bring it down to its original, so I don't see how the new rule applies here.
*Shrug* You don't have to listen to me. I'm just saying this isn't needed.
Listen to laughing. Why do you think unusuals are stored in USD and not in buds? 27 buds then is ~33 buds now.
Buds were $40 back then.
Calculation:
40 USD * 27 buds = 1080 USD
buds can easily be obtained for 37 USD now
37 USD * 33.5 buds = 1239.50 USD
So how is "27 buds were worth the same as 33.5 buds today"?
Seriously, get your math done before commenting.
ooh, sticky stuff here.
So much butthurt over a price adjustment.
Agreeing to this
27 Buds back then were worth more than 27 buds today. And at the moment unusual prices are stored in $, not in buds. Unless that is changed (if ever) there is nothing you can do.
Since you are online and this is not really your fault you have the chance to close this yourself in the next hour.