Suggestion: The B.M.O.C. at 13–14 keys

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The B.M.O.C.

Submitted Mon, 30 Sep 13 11:02:10 +0000 by ★ trundle

48.53%

13 keys

13–14 keys

~12.3 keys

247 votes up

262 votes down

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Guys, I own like, almost 30 of these. Quickly give me a downvote!!!

Why is 13 keys is a quicksell? Because of the countless people who wants to buy it at 13 keys. Proof below.

Buyers at 13 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14714288

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14711807

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14710900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14704254

http://bazaar.tf/trade/451041

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14702205

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14680333

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14679094

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14712243

Offerers at 13 keys or more (ALL REJECTED):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 13 , 13 keys + 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14052578 13 , 13 , 13 + 1 rec

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13995050 13 , 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13943922 13 , 13 , 13 , 13

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14262126 13

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11812937 14 keys for black (basically 13)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13941482 13 keys + 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14052578 Like, 5 guys offering 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14627488 13 keys, 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14627488 A ton of 13 keys offer

So why put 14 keys as the high end?

Buyers/ Offers for 13-14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14627488 offer of 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703709 buying for 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14729934 About 17 keys in item.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14700250 A 17 keys + 1 ref unusual for a BMOC

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703548 A 16 keys unusual for BMOC

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14702599 About 13 keys + 4 ref in unusual

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14687340 13 keys + 3 ref in items

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14684593 14 keys pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14262126 Offer of 13 keys + 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14198031 Sold for 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14670020 13 key offer and a ton of unusual overpay

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14631348 So many adds for 13 keys + 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14722878 He sold one for 15, look at the history of the BMOC

What are you waiting for? This price manipulator must be banned! Quickly downvote and get free rep!

Thanks for reading.

Choo Choo ........... Train has left the station. Next station 1 bud. XD

Some critcs:

Listed buyer trades:

1st Link: Bought under 1 second XD

2nd Link: Bought within 4 hours

3rd Link: Bought in 1 second XD

4th Link: Bought 4 BMOC in one day XD

5th Link: Bazaar Link - totally unreliable - no views no bumps

6th Link: Last bumped 1 day ago and only bump

7th Link: Not online since 16 hours.

8th Link: Offer of a black BMOC

9th Link: Bud for BMOC + 7 keys, I have no idea what to say

So far the buyers in the links posted by the suggester have been successful within 1 sec, XD, to couple of hours.

What else to say !!!!

you dont need to rise bmocs to a bud.buds are going down to bmocs

Buying for 14 keys in under 1 second is counter proof...Thats like me buying a scrap for 1 key ill obviously get an almost instant add...

All your BMOC's were bought approx. 4 days ago... Really?

If this is true is he trying to be the solo hype train driver

Well, he didn't have all the BMOC's till 3 days ago so... Speaks for itself?

Lol spacing out proof so it looks like you got a lot anyways

COUNTER PROOF

Sellers at 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14651355 (unsold for 3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14659405 (unsold for 2 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14722845

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14726320

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14721975

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14725510

Sellers at 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14553751 (unsold 1 week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14448569 (unsold 1 week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14550348 (unsold 1 week)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 (unsold 2 weeks)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14685842 (unsold 1 day) <---also painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14706680 (unsold 1 day) <---also painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14698686 (unsold 1 day) <---also painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703328 (unsold 1 day) <---also painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14670020 (unsold 2 days) <---also painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14729535 <--painted green

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14730650 <--painted purple

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14631348 <---selling a bunch at 13keys+3 ref ALSO painted gold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14512644 <---selling a bunch at 14 keys all painted with decent paint

So many bmoc unsolds at 14 keys even with decent paint. Dont see why 14 keys should be included, we price the clean one.

YOUR "PROOF" without the spacing

Offerers at 13 keys or more (ALL REJECTED):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 13 , 13 keys + 1 ref <----selling for 14 keys, unsold for 3 weeks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14052578 13 , 13 , 13 + 1 rec <------these are the highest offers for 4 weeks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13995050 13 , 14 keys <----1 month old trade 14 key offer was made a while ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13943922 13 , 13 , 13 , 13 <-----1 month old trade rejecting 13 means next to nothing

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14262126 13<-----selling for 15 keys rejecting 13 means nothing

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11812937 14 keys for black (basically 13) <-----painted black unsold for 1 month

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13941482 13 keys + 1 ref <-----highest offer in the last week is 13 keys pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14052578 Like, 5 guys offering 13 keys <-----highballing trade unsold for 4 weeks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14627488 A ton of 13 keys offer <-----13 keys offered no recent offer of 14 at all

So why put 14 keys as the high end?

Buyers/ Offers for 13-14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14627488 offer of 14 keys <-----guy that offered 14 keys has no keys and he hasnt bought a bmoc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703709 buying for 14 keys<------ GOT INSTANTLY ADDED and he bought a painted one

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14729934 About 17 keys in item. <-----he was selling a holiday case for 1 bud + 1 bmoc got INSTA added

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14700250 A 17 keys + 1 ref unusual for a BMOC<-----this is a unusual, you need to take overpay

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703548 A 16 keys unusual for BMOC<----- he was selling unusual for 13 keys and got insta added

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14702599 About 13 keys + 4 ref in unusual

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14687340 13 keys + 3 ref in items <---- festive huntsman dont take the high end

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14684593 14 keys pure<---seems to be ignoring adds cuz my friend wnats to sell to him

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14262126 Offer of 13 keys + 1 ref <---- there is no offer of 13 + 1 ref, highest offer is 13 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14198031 Sold for 14 keys <----3 week old trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14670020 13 key offer and a ton of unusual overpay <----painted pink

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14631348 So many adds for 13 keys + 3 ref <---painted yellow

Your proof is bad, many are painted, rejecting 13 keys on a highballing trade means nothing, many are old trades. Owns 28 enuf said.

Also you counter yourself in many places. Using a 3 week old unsold at 14 keys and saying he rejected offers of 13 keys...http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 13 , 13 keys + 1 ref

Downvoting this suggestion. Nice work Derpeh, surprised you have more proof.

Many of your counter proof about unsolds at 14 keys actually have sales. They have many BMOC's in hand and only make one trade, hence it will take a while to sell all of them.

I'll give a quick example here. One of your counterproofs says

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 (unsold 2 weeks)

Look at his past trades. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14198031

He probably sold many BMOC's, just had more and didn't close his trades.

Now, for your counterproof on sellers at 13 (the first part)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14651355 (someone commented "added". That guy hasn't been online, and is on trade probation)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14659405 (already sold -___- check history)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14722845 (changed price to 13.5 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14726320 (hasn't been online, is on trade probation, and is not even selling the BMOC for 13 keys. He is trading it for a Max)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14721975 (Sold, check history)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14725510 (been offline, trade probation)

I will counter the rest of your counterproofs tomorrow due to school workload. But I need to say, that I'm pretty disappointed with your counterproofs. They are so easy to counter.

Thanks for actually attempting to provide counterproof though Derpeh, unlike many other people who only know how to dislike comments. Though, you could of spent more time with the counterproofs as opposed to uselessly criticizing my spacing of proofs. It's just like me saying "lol, bolding words to make counterproof look more beautiful. Scrub".

Why are you countering my 13 key sellers that is in the range and it means nothing... You need to show that 14 keys is traded regularly.

What ive shown is that there is a large amounts unsold at 14 keys many are even painted, i just listed the 13 sellers for the heck of showing that many people still sell for that price.

but i has to bold or it will be one big annoying to read block of text DDDD:

The first "unsold" has an add, and the second has an offer of about 13 keys, the others are less than a day old

I didnt say they were all unsold i said they were sellers. Just showed coe the heck of showing that many people still sell for 13 keys.

It's obvious that 14 keys shouldnt be in the range when so many are selling at 14 keys many with very decent paint.

[Little counter - counter or update]

Hm, for your own links of unsolds:

Sellers at 13 keys

First 2 were bumped 2 days and 3 days ago

Others have sold now

Sellers at 14 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14553751 bumped 2 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14448569 Has offer of G. fetti engy cap + 1 key (last comment) = 14 + 1 = 15 keys (with Unusual overpay)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14550348 - Sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14251780 - Offer of 13 keys + 2 ref, not sold for 14 though

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14685842 Sold (pink though I know)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14706680 - Never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14729535 - Sold (lime though)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14512644 - All sold (all pink/ lime though, but the paints alone are worth less than a key)

--> Idk, few had somehwat of a success selling for more and so many offers for 13 keys. Would still need way more proof to get this accepted. Maybe the high end should be lower

well I kinda don't agree though so downvote :P

Put one of these up here for 13 keys and got 3 adds in less than 5 minutes, decided not to sell it as it is clear with buyers like that it's going nowhere but up, easy upvote

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14737583 13 or 14 keys? And did you decide not to sell it? Oops, someone stole it.

More buyers / sales @14 , abstaining as of now.

You're right, my proof of 14 keys is kinda limited. I was thinking that the 13 keys quicksells would suffice. I'm sure that a lot of 14 keys trades happen tho; will try to find more.

Upvote, I had saw people buying for 14 keys

sure, i had saw people buying for 14 buds! This needs instant upvote! =D

i don't think that market ready for new bmoc bubble, espessially when we all wait for big halloween uncrate, when promos will fall like a rock

This is my own opinion, please don't judge me if you don't understand what I am thinking about.

28 multiplied by 13

Bro....just...bro

I'm jelly

you can help him earn extra 14 keys with your upvote =D

Trying my best to gather proof of people paying more than 13 keys, will have more proof tomorrow.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14731957 Paying 15 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14731101 Paying an unusual worth more than 16 keys

1st Link: Bought under 1 second XDXDXDXDXD

2nd Link: Nuts and Bolt Unusual that he was trying to sell, fruitlessly from past 4 days, from 18 down to 15 keys and he finally decides fuck it bmoc would be a better option. So from his final "willing" sale price of 15 keys you reduce an overpayment of 10% brings it down to 13.5 keys. Considering it a shitty piece of trash unusual the overpayment would have been atleast 20% brining it down to 11 keyish.

Bubble popped.

It's not a bubble sir. it's a clear and obvious price manipulation that this hat, for *some* reason, seems to skyrocket to 20+ keys only during 2 months of the year (with its peak in late August, not even around xmas, go figure) and the rest of the time, everyone wants it to be dirt cheap.

So pick one. Either it's a 25 key hat or its a 13 key hat. There's no bubble, it's deliberate that the price is kept down in this range and boosted 1 key a day for a couple of weeks and then brought back down again.

FYI I own only 1 BMOC, my personal one. It is none of my concern what you guys vote this hat up or down to, as I like it as a hat regardless. But at least, AT LEAST be consistent. Clearly none of you guys can do that, and thats why the price for this hat is always broken and there is constant fighting about it.

It most certainly is a bubble.

April 2012 a bunch of people hoarded and faked offers on their bmocs driving the price up until its increased peaked around august~. A year later (August 2013) people remembered bmocs rising and decided to hoard them and most of those hoarders had the intent to sell them around the 20-key mark. So what happens when all of a sudden bmocs hit 20 keys? They all get dumped onto the market, the supply increases and demand suddenly disappears.

I like how you guys keep negging my comments. They say a person's rage is the weathervane of truth. I'm right on the money and someone's mad.

But what? Hoarded and faked offers? On BMOCs!? NEVAR! That never happens with any item ever! Especially Buds, Bills and Keys! Wait, no. Actually that happens with almost every item, consistently. Why is the BMOC any different?

Again, you can't have it both ways. The rollercoaster of BMOC prices are obvious pump and dump. You can vote me down all you want but you know it's the truth.

Fake offers might happen here and there on every item, but it occured on a massive scale with bmocs.

also, im not the one who disliked your comments. And no, you're wrong in every way.

Well, we can agree to disagree, sir. I would still like someone to explain how theres 100,000 buds, and 200,000 bills, yet not even 20,000 BMOC's, and its price is barely twice a current bills. You don't think it's being supressed on here? It is.

Backpack.tf is directly responsible for the price of the BMOC dropping. It stood at "1 bud" (~25 keys) on the old spreadsheet for months before .tf came online. As soon as everyone found out the santa was was not being re-released in 2012, all the scumbags swiftly voted it down en masse so they could buy them up for themselves on the cheap. With such a generally small number of hats, they planned to house all of them.

Now take a look at outpost. Who has BMOC's for sale? Donator, donator, donator, donator, donator. Rarely will you ever see a 'civilian' having one for sale. The good majority of 'traded' santa hats are firmly in the hands of the sharks.

With the margin of santa hats existing in F2P's backpacks now being 30%, it's obvious they wrenched them out of anyone's hands they could get them out of.

So you think this has not been a concerted effort? Please expain how this is not.

There is a difference in price because rare doesnt equal expensive. If no one wants it why should the price be higher? Have you tries selling this for a bud?

This thing shot up to 20 keys and crashed right down. Bp if anything was dragging up the price. People bought it not because they wanted it but because they thought it was going to rise and when it didnt they shit their pants and tried to sell for less triggering the crash. Deal with it

Mods look at the proof. Voting means next to jack on promos because people vote not on proof but on ehat they want. If this was all on votes buds would be a scrap

Ps. Stable for months? It sky rocketed in price then It was "stable" for around a month then dropped like a rock right after christmas

Go learn about supply and demand.

Economics.

Markets.

Economies!

Trends.

Your argument, my good sir--it is clearly not based on an understanding of such matters.

It doesn't matter how many copies of an items exist. There are very rare vintages, but no one wants them. And if people haven't success selling for higher, they usually lower their prices fastly.

If you say that all the BMOCs are in the hands of shark, then why do they sell it for so cheap?

I can't help, but because you claim that all donators on outpost are sharks, what is pretty rude, I must assume that you are just angry that you can't sell your hat for a bud anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/rWNEeEP.png - 14 keys; took about 5 hours

that's not a reason to stop and downvote it without even looking at the evidence.

Yes it is, He's obviously manipulating the price for his own gain.

I have bought 3 BMOC's the past week for less than 13 keys, do you want screenshots?

Hell, one was painted pink that I got yesterday for 12 keys.

So if you're saying that I make a price suggestion for a DBD Infernal Impaler, I'm just manipulating the price?

Firmly, yes, it could be what you said, but it could also be that because he deals with them a lot, he knows when it needs to be changed. Different viewpoints I guess.

No you wouldn't be manipulating because you don't own a large chunk of the market of them, if you did, yes you would be.

But I think it's obvious the suggester is hoarding and trying to drive up the price for personal gain, I mean really 28?

I'm not questioning his motives, but I downvoted the suggestion, his proof was extremely poor and was thrown away easily.

Going with counter-proof, downvote.

The fact that you have 28 of them, and that you're voting for an increase, leaves me to pause. I could assume that you're a decent human being, who's totally impartial and fair in judgment. I could also assume that I'll find a Golden Ticket and win Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. I'm downvoting this for the safety of innocent traders out there. Once we open the floodgates to a price raise, gentlemen there's no telling how far this train will "Choo Choo" along again.

Innocent traders? Funny joke.

The fact that he has 28 doesn't matter. What matters is his proof is not very good.

How are those 28 B.M.O.Cs doing for you?

Lost my vote

Counter-proof > proof.

Trying too hard, bro. Hype train is still in the station, refueling. Have some patience.

Counterproof shows current price is fine