Suggestion: Sunbeams Backwards Ballcap at 207.83–228.61 keys

Price Suggestion

~225 keys

sunbeams

69 votes up

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 01 Oct 13 23:48:33 +0000 by polar.

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[Proof below] Re suggesting from polar's advice :D

previous suggestion: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/524aed9f4cd7b8383e8b4568

Sold trades

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14358895

seems to have sold for a burning trophy belt(~6 buds) and a sunbeams whoopee(4 buds) ~ 10 buds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14410460

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12811468

sold for 2 vintage bills (3.6 buds) + 6 pure + 7 keys (0.4 buds) <---read notes ~ 10 buds

*the price of bills then was 1.8-2 buds. Accounting for overpay thats 1.8 x 2 = 3.6 buds

Current trade

also most of the offers you have rejected are around my range :S

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14410099

rejected

- Burning cowl (~9.3 buds)

- scorching hallmark (~9.5 buds)

- burning phantom (~9 buds) + level 1 max (~2 buds) ~ 11 buds

- Pe ball cap(~9) + planet's bonk boy (~2.5 buds) ~11 buds

- Disco ballcap (~10 buds)

- dbd bicorne + sf launcher ~ unpriced on bp

Please tell me if im doing anything wrong or if im missing anything

"btw, the offer of the burning phantom + 2 would really be 11 as would the PE vallcap + planets bonk. also the phantom was clean and i believe one of the phantoms to set the low end in the previous suggestion was duped. so i would actually do 10-11" ~polar

All offers i rejected also i didnt consider negotiating for. Could have and probably would have gotten more out of all of them. Also the burning phantom offer was a burning fedora and he typed the wrong hat, i brought this to the proper peoples attention. If anyone wants to check his profile here, http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561198026117371, you can see the fedora and the fact he never owned a phantom.

Wait a minute...me and Shadow were working on doing a suggestion for this. I think I found out some other information, but that was couple days ago and forgot it. I think this was the price we said looked right, though.

Your discussion with shadow was for a price increase, not decrease. Shadow pulled some decent evidence too. If you can grab that evidence again to show some details that would be appreciated.

Like I said, I don't remember the details well, but I do know I was working on a suggestion for this with him. Also how do you know that it was a price increase? Did he tell you about it or something?

PS: Most of the past sales were things I found for him.

I was discussing with Der about a price change, since his was the only one on the market. I wanted to know how much he was asked to add for some of the offers listed.

I asked Rose/Valor about this hat and previous sales (since I couldn't find many good examples) and ultimately I figured it wasn't worth perusing since there haven't been many sales recently.

As far as for this suggested range, I don't think that it's an accurate price and would be hard for a buyer to get one for it.

Okay, that makes more sense then I guess.

Burning cowls never sell for 9.3, and backpack prices them at 11.5-12.3, so that number clearly seems low. And how does 9+2.5 = 11, someones math is off.

Definitely a down vote.

Burning cowls never sell for 9.3? The original suggestion made was based on a guy who bought for 9.3 and sold for 10. That's where 9.3 after overpay is coming from.

Purple Energy Ballcap is an old price. There is one on the market with a b/o of 9.5. Take overpay on the b/o (which is generous), and thats really 8.5+2.5=11. That's where 11 is coming from. Two defined sales at 10, one for pure. This website is based on a hats price in pure. 10-11 seems to be the price here.

If you are referencing a trade, you should refer to more of the offers. Not Just the ones that best suit you downvoting a hat...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14358895 <- Provided by you

Offer of Cloudy Moon Anger + Circling Heart Prancers for all the Beams. (2.2 + 25) 27.5

Now we are souly commenting on the price of the ballcap here and bp.tf prices.

Bucket Hat - (~2.6)

Magistrates Mullet - (~3)

Dr Dapper - (~5.6)

This alone Leaves 16.3 Buds for the Ballcap.

If you would like to dispute the prices above id suggest opening price suggestions on those first. All Prices are based off an Average.

This offer has several problems

(1) The guy who offered his moon anger had a b/o of 16 for his anger. Moon anger is NOT 25. Even if we are generous and take his b/o of 16 on the anger, that offer is 18.2. Subtract the 2.6, 3, 5.6 and that offer comes out to ~5 and not the 16 you propose.

(2) Complex sales involving multiple unusual hats, many of which have outdated prices, should NOT be used to price hats

Proof is not decisive enough, not enough sales recently. Clearly seems to be getting offers above the suggested price.

Burning cowl does not amount to 9.3 even based on bptf ranges as well.

As Alterrr said, the moon anger offer leaves it at 16.3 buds too.

As indicated above. The guy offering the anger had a b/o of 16. That offer is actually closer to 5 after subtracting the value on the other beams. Moon anger is not 25

Burning cowl original suggestion before the ref change was 9.3-10 based on 2 pure sales at 9.3-10. There is one on the market for 12. Even if we took its value at 12 based on a b/o - which we shouldnt - that offer isn't worth more than 11 after unusual overpay.

I'm not seeing a single offer >11 and I see two defined sales at 10

I was the one who has the offer of the "burning phantom + lvl 1 max", it was a typo, i ment my burning fedora. Ive never owned a burning phantom in my life. After a little discussion with the owner, i upped my offer to my clean burning fedora + lvl 20 max. We were still negotiating before i lost it in a crab.

Thanks for that. Considering the b/o's of 9 for burning fedoras on the market, that offer of burning fedora + 2 is now less than 11 and inside the proposed range