Suggestion: Earbuds at 18 keys

Price Suggestion

Earbuds

Submitted Mon, 07 Oct 13 12:59:25 +0000 by ★ Grim

71.21%

18–19 keys

18 keys

196

~8.23 keys

1677 votes up

678 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Thu, 10 Oct 13 03:14:32 +0000 by Horizon.

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18 keys was a quicksell yesterday, but not today as its getting rather common at that price. People are starting to sell below 18 as well, but due to lack of proof, a flat 18 should be okay for now.

16 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14867871

17 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14851527

17.5 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14871790

17 keys 4 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14869041

18 keys:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/466114

http://bazaar.tf/trade/465556

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9820796

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14871123

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14870725

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14869622

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14868838

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14868044

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14867249

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14867023

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14866255

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864455

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864067

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864048

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863577

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14862530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14862147

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14861527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14860115

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14859581

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14859322

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14859281

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14857980

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14857035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14851983

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14852053

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14846444

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14839175

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14837269

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836616

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14832201

good proof. for sure an upvote. good work

UPVOTE FORM me sir

It seems like people are selling lower because they notice buds are going down in price and want to get rid of them before they go down even more, either that or people are getting ready for Halloween unboxing early. Very easy to find buds for 18 or less. upvote

Same thing that happened with bills hats, low amounts of proof getting people to freak out because bp.tf lowered their price.

They wouldn't be going down in price if everyone was selling for above (or at) market price

If everyone that owns a bud all agree to only sell their bud for 40 keys, and no less, then others have no choice but to buy at 40 keys, and eventually buds will rise to 40 keys; That's obviously not going to happen, but that's the idea

Upvoted, but if We will kill the buds We will kill Unusual economy...

Unusual prices are adjusted when they are expressed in buds, of course only if the buds change of price, remember unusual value is stored in USD and then "translated" into buds according to value of each ref that form a bud.

So what really "kills" the WHOLE economy is the USD price of each Refined metal

17.83 keys - 18 keys http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/51fffc244bd7b8440d000007/1

yea i used to flood that with 17.83, sold 6 successfully, waited for 18 for some time and gave up. I upvote, but ik its not gnna be accepted

I dont think it will be accepted either, just seeing how every comment stating "Upvote!" gets to 5 dislikes almost instantly :3

dislikes mean nothing, in fact voting means nothing in hindsight. It's just the communities opinion on the proof. It's like presidential elections. We all vote, but the electoral college makes the final descision

Buds keep going lower and lower. The reason why buds seems to go down every day is because when a new price suggestion has been made, people try to quicksell it rather than keep it till they lose it's value.

Buds should fall to 16.66 or 17 keys pretty soon. Buds are sold at $30. Keys are sold at $1.80 so people are hustling to make profit before $30 / $1.80 = 16.66 keys. Plus people can just buy unusuals on steam market without buds.

Buds were selling at 40 not long ago. To say that they sell at 30 now is irresponsible. Go check sourceop.

Buds seem to be ~34$ on sop.

The same thing seems to be happening with keys except going up instead of down.

Im glad I sold mine to scrap.tf for 122 ref when I did xD

Give people some times to adjust prices, that's stupid, every day a new price is accepted, that make non-sens.

Downvote. Still quicksells.

Quicksells you say? Try selling them at 18 to see how fast they go.

I think he ment with quicksell People, that are afraid of Buds crashing and getting rid of them as soon as possible.

if no one stops the Quicksell Train, it will crash into:" SELLING BUDS @ 10 Keys!! LOWEST ON TF2OP!

At one point, buds were 8 keys according to tf2finance

When buds were increasing in price, not decreasing rapidly

True, but that wasnt my point. I was just saying buds were once less than 10 keys, so its entirely possible for them to reach that level again.

Geez I was just trying to make a point. I didn't mean for everyone to get so mad :C

Well I'd say a lot of the ruckus/problem started when people complained that price changes took too long when the B.M.O.C Hype-Train ™ skyrocketed its price. The quick price suggestion acceptance goes both ways, unfortunately.

And.... B.M.O.C counted by many as a currency item...

In an economy things rise and fall. Buds rose from 3 keys - 28 keys and now they are dropping. What is exactly bothering you here?

Buds are dropping relative to the key price inflation. Keys are the key player here. They had been going up both in paypal and refined market. The drop in bud prices are relative to this rise.

I see what you did there.

http://puu.sh/4KjNQ.png - But 19 is possible

upvote, next we should take down the burning flames team captain :D

And then I remembered the days when buds used to go for like 30 keys... You provided plentiful proof, but next time, do please give the market enough time to stabilize.

glad i turned all my bp for keys before this madness

you guys are ridiculous

It made me laugh yesterday when less than an hour after 18-19 got approved there was nearly a page of sellers in the classifieds at 18 keys. Upvote.

More proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14871790 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14872591 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14872099 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14872148 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14872548 18 keys

More proofs because of dislikes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875130 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873139 17.8 keys

http://bazaar.tf/trade/466292 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14874445 18 keys

http://bazaar.tf/trade/466390 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873576 18 keys

More proofs because of dislikes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876209 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14878402 18 keys selling 2

http://bazaar.tf/trade/466731 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14878007 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14877513 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14877258 18 keys <------- MOD SELLING

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9822785 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876294 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876142 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876109 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875666 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875391 18 keys

More proofs because bored:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14881888 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14881658 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14881557 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14881269 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14880962 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14880854 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14880592 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14880179 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14879634 18 keys selling 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14879363 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14879310 18 keys selling 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14879199 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14879016 18 keys selling 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14878850 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14878300 18 keys

More proofs for fun:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14882284 17 keys selling 2

http://bazaar.tf/trade/467435 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884188 17 keys 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14886711 17 keys 5 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9823395 17 keys 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14888059 18 keys selling 2

http://bazaar.tf/trade/467580 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14888333 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14887359 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14886148 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14886040 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884781 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884432 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883878 18 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883680 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883878 18 keys selling 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883338 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883216 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883155 18 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14882678 18 keys

Wow 16 keys? That's outrageous, and maybe three days from now it will be average and three days after that a highball. Anyways good proof up voted

Look again.

Well yeah I am just saying that someone actually was selling non duped, no gifted earbuds for 16 keys. That's pretty amazing considering the currency. I mean yes it's quite the outlier but still a sale is a sale. Surprised on how fast buds are going down all in all

Bots are selling them for 17.66 in the Classified. That's scary.

You disappoint me sir.

Tell me why it should be 20-21 keys.

How do you do that? Provide proof.

Also, you have an earbud in your backpack.

With every new suggestion the price of buds is dropping even faster. Why dont you all just give a break and let the price stabilaze with no new suggestions and shit. There will always be some people who are in a hurry to sell their buds but there is no reason for suggestion that can change the price on market (for me) in a wrong direction. Just give some time and you will see what im talking about ;)

I agree that bp.tf is leading this bud drop to make them drop faster rather than following it, but, Brad Pitt says there shouldn't be a cooldown on items last I checked.

But buds are currency. Isn't there a cooldown on currency?

only on keys http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/4182-add-cool-down-to-buds-change-all-unusuals-to-keys/ suggested here, but not implemented

according to tf2finance, bp.tf price (18.5 keys) is 3 days old. As allways bp.tf is behind with the price, no need to wait.

About buds price dropping further, it has nothing to do with the suggestions on this site.

True, buds initially dropping had nothing to do with this site. But right now, I'm pretty sure it definitely has an influence.

I dont have anything against buds going down or up, im just trying to say that this process is happening very fast and not as it should be. And I wasnt' talking only about bp.tf or this suggestion, I take this suggestion only as an example and attempt to open discussion.

Accepted about 16 hours ago

Accepted 3 days ago

Accepted 6 days ago

the cool-down rule only applies to keys?

apparently so, but 19 keys does seem quite impossible.

a lot of people want 2 quciksell and thats compete lower price and thats how it dropped quick

dont call me selfish i know i have 1 bud in my bp but i had alot more proof and i didint get any upvote comments...

Just some counter-proof

[url]http://i.imgur.com/qds6RZu.jpg[/url]

Maybe we should give the price some time to stabilize ?

http://i.imgur.com/NxfjMPv.png 17.2

Calling people "faggots" immediately makes everyone think that you have a well-constructed, logical argument. -_-

I'm not sure about the price being 18 flat. I sold one last night for 18.5 pure in about 2-3 hours and I sold another for 7 keys + a Smoking Copper Hard Top + Diamond Sniper Rifle (atleast 19 keys in even if I took the Coppers 10 keys and Sniper as 2 keys)

http://i.imgur.com/jtUPXfW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oFzEMsB.jpg

Seriously guys?

Accepted about 22 hours ago

Accepted 3 days ago

Accepted 7 days ago

Stop this nonsense....

For now I will upvote, but to any mod or anything that reads this, there should be a cap on the number of times that buds can change in a week. The previous one was only 23 hours ago! Buds need to stabilize but cant because everyone wants to get rid of them for fear of them dropping further. This should be treated similar to the key suggestions with one every so often.

Also, will this cause unusuals to go up or make it so that you could buy something like a burning team captain for 100 keys instead of 100 buds?! It will continue to drop if it isn't monitored.

As mentioned above, unusuals are priced in USD not in buds, so if buds drop that doesn't mean the unusual is worth any less then before, it just means that it's worth a bit more in buds not USD, and that it's value didn't change.

ok, but I still believe that the number of times that buds can drop in a certain period if time should be set at like twice a week or something, that way they could balance out a bit.... dropping them like this does absolutely nothing. Every other day they drop.

Unless you don't know, unusual price never really change when buds drop. And of course, its not a matter of whether you can buy a burning tc for 100 keys instead of hundred buds. No unusual price are set in buds, and no one will sell you their burning tc for 100 keys.

Honestly i still think the 18-19 is going through the economy smoothly and this is a rapid decrease that i think is unneeded as i think people are still eligible to sell at 19 keys but i'll see i guess...... ^^

And added to my last post, this is happening way to rapidly and MUST steady! The unusual economy is in a lot of trouble currently because of this, and I mean really I believe there still going @ 19 fine.... some people just may be quickselling cause there worried about that bp.tf price droping

Dont just believe, show us some proof of buds that sold for 19 keys within the last 24 hours.

These daily suggestions sure don't help the price stabilize a bit.

I have been seeing a lot of these 18 key trades lately. I believe it is time for a drop in price. Quick Selling or not, it's becoming rather common and easy to get buds for 18 keys now. With halloween coming up people are hoarding keys for new unusuals.

Same thing happened to Bills. A new suggestion pops up daily and people try to quicksell before they drop again. Buds will be 15 keys soon if this keeps happening.

Been seeing these being sold for 17-17.5 pretty consistantly all day, guess the resellers snapped all those up and are pushing them for 18 now... but yeah 18 is an easy buy, upvoted.

You posted no proof of unsolds are 19. 18 keys was still in the range, so until you post unsolds at 19 keys, downvote.

No idea why this has so much dislikes, my point was valid. Buds are still being sold at 19 keys...

You disappoint me sir.

Yes, earbuds are still being sold at 19, but is it still easy to sell it at 19? Nope.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14794889

Like this one!

Also, you have an earbud in your backpack.

Disappoint you? How so? It's 1 ear bud which I use as a misc, not currency and just because I have one doesn't automatically make me biased. Buds are still being sold at 19 keys making the already current range fair.

Then show proof that they're still being sold at 19.

Grimdercell, that isn't my job, but yours. I never disagreed to your rage, I just wanted to see proof of unsolds which you never provided.

Why would anyone pay 19, when tons of it are available for 18 keys? Also, its not my job. Whoever disagrees with the range should come up with a counter proof themselves, which most of them fail to do so.

That doesn't matter. If someone, like you, wants to remove a range, proof of unsolds of the previous rage must be provided. This isn't a matter of counter proof.

Because ya know the 5 sales at 19 keys are greater than the 100s at 18 and below...

I never said it was... I said it's require for the suggester to place unsolds of the previous range for it to be considered... Gosh

With the quantity of buds there are obviously going to be some sales at the current range, but obviously take quite a long time. List your buds for 19 keys and lets see how long it'll take you....Gosh

Unsold at 19 (a few at 18)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14865118

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14887272

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863419

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14781039 Offered 18 Keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884781

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884188

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14870192

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875436

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863485

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864066

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876648 Offered 18 Keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14794889

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836240

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14869815

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14888079

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873734

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14850178

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875087

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14708355

Food

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13212980

Some of those sold at 19 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14887272

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836240 (Sold 1)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875087

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14708355

This is 19 keys and 3 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14781039 (Not valid for this discussion)

This is 17 keys and 5 refined: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884188 (Not valid for this discussion)

And the rest are a mix of unsolds and 18 keys.

And here is one provided by Boron Beanie: http://i.imgur.com/7bjgJ2A.png (19 keys)

Too less proof, 18 keys is already outnumbering 19 keys.

*Very little, and yes you're right.

My god just a week ago they were 20 keys! They are losing so much value, not a good investment

On a side note, found funny all the "stabilize" variations people seem to use. Though not sure on voting, think it would need more time. Anyone around on 1929?

this is good, but how do i upvote

click the green check mark at the top

Too short to make a decision and change the value of buds. If you don't let it stabilize then people are just going to get theirs off their hands because they fear losing money, because the suggestions make these things drop so often. They were 19-20 one week ago, and there was a new price yesterday, let people decide what they want to sell for first because that is the point of backpack.tf, not to make people fear losing profit so they quicksell and drive prices down.

You disappoint me sir.

At least provide links because writing a paragraph wont help.

Also, you have an earbud in your backpack.

Whether or not someone has an earbud in their backpack has nothing to do with it. Selling prices are heavily influenced by this site. It's like adding an accelerant to a fire.

Sold for 19 today in a trade server

http://i.imgur.com/7bjgJ2A.png

did alot of trading

http://i.imgur.com/QoizLIN.png ~ 17 keys 4 ref

http://i.imgur.com/FmQq9pW.png ~ 17 keys 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/W0sooTu.png ~ 17 keys 5 ref

http://imgur.com/AaKzQTi ~ 18

http://imgur.com/WhpgrRB ~ 17 keys 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/fK8e9ju.png ~ 17 keys 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/aoC4Bo3.png ~ 17 keys 5 ref

http://i.imgur.com/LlpcOjn.png ~ 17 keys 5 ref

Maybe i should write down every quicksell i see and make a suggestion on those later

........I feel like this shit happen every year..at some point it drop is 17 keys...and at some point it go back the 28 for no reason...then drop back to 21......

There are definitely reasons, and most of the price fluctuation is predictable.

too confusing for me to get into..too much trouble...

After new suggestions each day on buds i just give up and sold all buds for 19 keys (lost 150 keys) if i was waiting more there will be around 200 keys or more lost , Thank you BP.TF , Will not use buds as currency because of these new suggestions each day (will use keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873660 17keys 4 ref

just some extra proof i found

Seems like 18 keys is happening WAY more than 19 keys. 18 keys seems like the most used price for earbuds thus making it more accurate.

Up-vote.

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/51fffababa2536b875000004 lol just 2ppls sell buds for 17,5keys in classfields

17.5 keys is not in the range.

i know i just say

you dont need dislike?

You disappoint me sir.

4 out of 4 of your suggestions are buds suggestions (All failed)

You have an earbud in your backpack

That link shows two people selling it for 17.5 keys. 17.5 isnt even in the range and that shows that it's hard to sell earbuds at 17.5 keys.

You dissapoint me sire.

Its clear that somebody is buying all those buds but for what reason? Would anybody buy buds now? Everybody wants to sell it , and its happening, so somebody must be buyer. Somebody with a lot of info , somebody with high connections, somebody who knows they will rise again. I dont have bud in my bp, tho this your stupid argument is irrelevant. I think people whos BP is not even a single bud shouldnt be allowed to vote, cos they dont really know.

"Its clear that somebody is buying all those buds but for what reason?" -Barely anyone is buying buds....?

"Would anybody buy buds now?" -Barely Anyone.

"Everybody wants to sell it, and its happening" -We know.

"so somebody must be buyer." `What.

"Somebody with a lot of info , somebody with high connections, somebody who knows they will rise again. " -*facepalm*

" I dont have bud in my bp, tho this your stupid argument is irrelevant." -Keep going

"I think people whos BP is not even a single bud shouldnt be allowed to vote, cos they dont really know." -Okay what does that have to do with everything you said previously

I don't get what he's trying to say either.

maybe my words sound confusing, maybe you want to make them look that way. I think this whole ´Community voting´ thing is pure nonsense.

You keep crippling people for voting and having a bud in their BP. Isnt it clear that people WITHOUT an earbud would vote to lower the price?

I think this whole lowering buds prices is artificialy made, so someone can nicely profit on it at later time.

Voice your opinions in the forums, see what other ppl think about this.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864048

that one you posted was 19 and most of them seem to be sold.

i agree we need cooldown time on buds for sure this is crazy.

these are both mine 3 days ago

http://imgur.com/3ZTFX0y,tFIXmnN

http://imgur.com/3ZTFX0y,tFIXmnN#1

3 days ago is not really relevant seeing as how the last suggestion was accepted quite recently.

Yey, break the ecomony!

Get warns from cleverpun, and get told to shove off to the forums!

?????

Profit!

But seriously, proof looks reasonable...a quick 3 minutes of searching showed me there's no reason to pay more than 18 keys for Earbuds (perhaps even 17.5).

And for the record, if people see these suggestions, panic, and dump their stock of Earbuds at a loss, that's their problem. Longer cooldowns or not making these suggestions or 'giving the market time to stabilize' are ignorant ideas at best, and bordering on price manipulation. This website doesn't set prices; it only identifies the prices the traders themselves have set by agreeing to buy and sell at.

It's preposterous to say that backpack.tf should not reflect current prices correctly, just so some resellers can avoid losing profit.

Back on topic: Since you're cutting out 19, can you show more proof that 19 isn't happening a lot? 18 is already in the range, so even showing >9,000 examples of 18 doesn't help you much.

I'll post it again.

Unsold at 19 (a few at 18)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14865118

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14887272

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863419

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14781039 Offered 18 Keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884781

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14884188

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14870192

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875436

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863485

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14864066

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14876648 Offered 18 Keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14794889

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836240

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14869815

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14888079

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873734

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14850178

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14875087

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14708355

Food

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13212980

Proof of why you think 19-20 keys is better?

This is scary, buds are going down so fast.

If we could just stop vote for a price drop we could make these quicksells stop.

We drop price because people sell for cheap. They sell for cheap because price drops. Somewhere it's gotta stop. Downvoting.

Did anyone force them to sell their buds for the price stated here? As if by not making a suggestion would stop the price of buds from falling atm.

isnt this the purpose of this site ? yes ? okay then edit the first part or delete it.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on outpost use it like a "bible." I'd have to say I'm one of them. Although, I don't buy for below price or sell for above. If something's 22 keys, I'll buy for 22 keys and sell for 22 keys. I'm not into the profit game.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836422

I sold 1 bud for 19 keys yesterday.

Does anyone ever wonder if Buds were inflated in the first place? Its called a market for a reason, if people buy and sell at a certain price, well then that is the price. Stop crying foul that the price is going down. The proof is there. I love how people get on here and cry that next day price changes are manipulating the market. No one is forcing people to sell, they sell if they see a trend where the value of their goods is declining. This ain't rocket science people.

Exactly. No one is forcing them to sell it at this price. I don't know why ppl are blaming this site as the cause of declining bud price. People are free to sell their buds at whatever price they want, its their item and their choice as well. Many ppl tend to forget that backpack.tf is a price guide, not a bible. The prices here are showing what ppl are currently selling their items for, not what ppl must follow when trading. We make this suggestions not because we want to drop the price of buds, its because this is happening.

For everyone else: If you are disagree with this suggestion, provide counter proof. Other than that, voice your opinions in the forums.

If you don´t realise the influence of this site on buds/keys prices, then you are blind, sir. Every suggestion of this site on currency price changing has a direct influence on the market, you only need to see how buds were dropping 3 keys only in a few days, fact that never have happened in the whole history of TF2 trading community before.

lol you talk as if you know how the market works, Sherlock. Like I said, who is there to gunpoint anyone saying that they must follow the prices set here?

"fact that never have happened in the whole history of TF2 trading community before" - such a naive statement showing your depth of knowledge in economics. Things that never happened in the past, doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

I know nothing about economics, Mr Keynes and I´m not talking about how it works, I´m only pointing that this site influence on prices is a fact, although you, for any reason, are blind, or maybe blinded.

"Things that never happened in the past, doesn´t mean it won´t happen in the future." And they will happen, indeed, with a little push in the back.

I think people below explained it pretty well. People take TF2Outpost proof and try to build a case for a new price on backpack.tf (not the other way around). If you think someone going through the nut kicking that is suggesting a new key range for Buds is a simple way to manipulate the market, you have not been reading the comments on many price suggestions on here. Barring a few minor instances, you have good, legit proof, it will get approved, you don't, you get dog piled. And oh, BTW, where is all the consternation about where are the days of 40 Key Buds??? Where are the cries of manipulation to 20 Keys? M-A-R-K-E-T.

To anyone who suggests that buds need time to stabilize or settle down before a suggestion can take place, see for yourself.

http://tf2finance.com/ - 17.87 keys as of now (subject to change)

http://i.imgur.com/Vd1ekxk.png

Even if we did wait for a cooldown time, this will still continue to drop, and it has nothing to do with the suggestions here at backpack.tf. Its only a matter of time a new suggestion will be created for a new range after this.

I'm currently suggesting 18 keys right now. If we had waited for a cooldown period, a new suggestion might be made for 17.5-18 keys that time, and more ppl will continue to rage even further and the whole "backpack.tf manipulation" crap will still go on.

Face it, 19 keys is no longer the norm and even at 18 keys now, its taking quite some time before anyone would buy it due to the fact that the market is flooded with 18 keys seller now. If you think backpack.tf is manipulating the prices of buds here, then ask yourself this: Is anyone forcing you to sell or buy your buds for this price stated at this site?

Agree, backpack.tf is based on TF2outpost, and not the opposite. The price of the buds drops because people sell it for less then listed price, it doesn't drop because we lower the price and only afterwards people selling it for less.

It does work both ways, though. People react at price changes, and in this case, the reaction is panic.

Too bad this site is ruining the market. It's totally ridiculous people take their sources from only (or at least as much as 99% of it) the outpost without taking note of any other forum selling the same stuff at different prices. This market can easily be manipulated by friends (of friends of friends of..) making threads with cheaper sales and thus making new sources for pricedrops. Idk why people think dropping buds are a good thing. Why not making a set price for buds (like 18 keys, we all know it's going that way) and making it impossible to post new suggestions for, let's say, a month. Then see how that works out. I personally am perfectly fine with keys at 6 ref, but let's just not hope it never reaches the 7 ref mark.

Some people think that dropping buds is a good thing because they just want to make profit with the circumstances, think about it, if you are a key seller/bud buyer, what do you prefer, a bud for 26 keys or a bud for 16 keys? And think about this too, who is going to be richer when buds rise to 26 keys again?

Anyway, everyone is saying "good proof, upvote" with just 36 links of the currency which sets unusual trades, you just only need to check their backpacks to realise why.

First: buds don't set unusual prices. All unusuals are priced in USD, not buds.

Second: "you just only need to check their backpacks to realise why" what about the ppl who downvoted this suggestion? Check their backpacks and you'll see buds in there. I'm not seeing your logic. Get it straight, its the bud seller that's causing the price of buds to fall, not bud buyer. One bud buyer upvoting this suggestion doesn't mean anything and neither would it affect the this suggestion.

Third: This site doesn't force you to sell buds for the price stated. We do not lower the prices of buds, the people that are selling buds are the ones who lowered them.

edit: also if you want to mention about the amount of proof given. Scroll down the page and you'll see even more, so your argument is invalid over here. Need more proof? Try buying a bud and resell it for 18 keys and see how successful you are.

lol only 36 links... did you bother to scroll down even a little?

Yes. but I don't see how 'only' 36 different trades could possibly represent the ENTIRE market revolving around the hundreds of buds going around in trades.

There's near 100 total listed in the thread. Scroll down....

I scrolled down, that´s the only way to comment a post...

Anyway, after checking all those proof given by you, all of them have one thing in common: they ALL have been posted AFTER this suggestion was made, coincidence? fear? conditioning? You can call it whatever you want...

I'd call it an accurate reflection of the market but you clearly have no interest in that.

Very good comment agree 100 % alot manipulation on unusuals price , friends making fake offers on outpost and use them as proof and then rising price of shity cancer hats

If someone dont believe my words for price manipulation on this site :

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/524eafce4dd7b81b228b4568#524ebe7b4dd7b86b478b456e_row

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52406a7a4dd7b8b3678b4568#524076524dd7b8ef038b4567_row

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/525181084cd7b832018b4568#525182c04dd7b84c278b456d_row

All accepted

That doesn't even have to do anything with the topic. Your logic is disgusting, btw.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/524eafce4dd7b81b228b4568

This guy here paid 3 buds for his hat and has offers at 3, nothing wrong.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52406a7a4dd7b8b3678b4568

"You can't get any more than 2 for your shitty hat", yet sold for 3.5+. GG

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/525181084cd7b832018b4568

"Stop trying to increase your shitty 2 buds hats". Sold for 2.2. GG m8

If you do really want to continue this ~~retarded~~ discussion then head over to the forums, this is derailing the topic.

People are now supporting this bullshit? He was at -2 score earlier today and now is at 5. Kill me please.

YOU were trying to manipulate the price on those suggestions by declaring your useless opinion, so shut up.

I see no manipulation there. None of the hats was given back or anything else shady happened.

But feel free to report it to steamreport if you are still thinking that...

nice proof, upvoting

If a another quick Bud value is such a problem then the admins at bp.tf or brad himself, should not allow such a thing. Aint gonna happen cuz its a free market - someone suggests a 5 Key value and a ton of people on here vote yes (with a ton of actual proof from TF2Outpost among others), guess what? That will be the value now.

Welcome to Democracy. If you live in America, you asked for the bud drop :P.

To be honest, if you guy want to just drop buds like this, you need to make keys equalivant.

Your on the right track kid, as keys should be rising right now currntly it apears with proof people are providing around on other things

Unusuals Should Drop In Value Because Of The Bud.... Poeple Are Quick Selling Buds And Keys Are Rising, That's Why Buds Are Dropping Real Fast.

As much as I wish this suggestion wasn't made I can't help but acknowledge the validity of it. However, it's still a little too soon and a rapid drop WILL cause a crash rather than a decline. Best to wait a few days, hopefully a week(ish) before updating the price.

I bought a second ago for 17.8 Key. Upboat

You don't have any buds in your backpack. You literally just lied! :)

My comment was nearly 24 hours ago. I sold them already. Look at my BP history for Oct 8th, AKA yesterday when my comment was made.

upvoted, market is flooded with 18 keys and a few outliers for even less.

can you guys imagine when we get to halloween?

Upvoted but... should we remade all the unusual prices? what will happens? all the unusual, max markets will be destoyed? can any answer me¿

i'm guessing yeh, maybe buds will crash to the extent people stop using it as a currency but its not the first time buds have dropped. At the same time bp.tf wasn't around most of those times so it might have an enhancing effect. Personally I'm just trading unusuals for other unusuals or keys until it stabilises.

yeah upvote http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14892696 18

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14894537 18

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14903504 17-3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873347 B.M.O.C + 3 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14780617 18

found these within 5 min with little to no effort on my part,

if you're tired of waiting i can give you a 1-hour time machine

Wait 3/4 days it's coming.

Its just a panic, thats all. We should stabilize the price

why bud 18key

This is very basic economics, until people would rather keep the Buds to wear them because they are too low they will keep decreasing..should be soon though, lots of people still like them I don't see them going lower than 15 Keys even though there seems to be a panic right now. It's good that the mods are stalling this suggestion to slow down the process.

Guys!

In my opinion buds should bump down price!

I like them,but i dont thing that they are aswome!

Atually everybody that playes tf2 dont care about the tf2 economy but i care!instead i understand their point,and i really dont care about unsuals i thing that metal,keys,buds shall be the future not these unusuals!

Guys you see this prices?of unsuals!is like 3,2,5,4 buds ridiculous!

whatever!

This is atually a good suggestion!

I have checked the proves and they are good proofs!

so up vote!

and please coment down here!

who things that keys and metal should bump up price!

I put mine up for sale about 30 minutes ago selling for 17 keys and 5 refined and just got an add from a guy named target practice who bought them for 18 keys. which is more than I was asking for, and sold without a single bump. I think 18 is a quicksell from my personal experience

18 keys is within the suggested price range.

And you put up your trade at 17 keys+5 ref, and got added without bumping. That would suggest that 17 keys+5 ref is a bit too low(at the moment). But 17 keys+5 ref is not within the suggested price so therefore makes no point for the suggestion.

If you on the other hand put up a trade now at 19 keys for your bud and get added within an hour of one/many wanting to buy, that would be something else.

Add more for 18 keys... :< Upvote btw.

Fk the prices... metal is such a useless currency but for some reason it keeps rising in price. Keys are the only worthy currency specially for players who just want to use the keys to buy games. I can't sell my unusual without it being bought with buds which are falling in price.. We need new currency or else unusuals will be dirt cheap.

I wouldn't consider metal to be worthless yet. And just price your unusuals in keys instead of buds.

how low can you go?? XD

anyways you have my upvote