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Shortest suggestion fight for a key but Good game pyroman, I honor you.
When you are trying to find keys anywhere, You see a lot of sellers at 6.11 and 6.22, there are a few people who sell at 6.33 and get some sold but Not as much as 6.11 – 6.22
6 refined keys are hard to come across unless you are one of those guys who buy/sell on the same outpost trade (not the best method of selling)
its been a week, the market has adjusted and we are ready to go,
All trade bots have been labelled as you can see.
Sold at 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15084497
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13676434 sold out
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15003919
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14431072
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091880
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15037045
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14838062
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11785888
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15063945
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13156173
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15014074
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15051841
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15030827
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15026852
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082604
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15086898
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13597211
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080929
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14734904
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14944490
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13730478
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14717558
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13686812
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14774087
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14836627 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14135585
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089714
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14519017
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15035044
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12986202
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082604
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11698969
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14767396
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14934689
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12169548 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14158147
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14754313 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071862
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13501482 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851330 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092908
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091880
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15048699
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15032402
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15003919
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093205
http://bazaar.tf/trade/483299
http://bazaar.tf/trade/285372
http://bazaar.tf/trade/448278
http://bazaar.tf/trade/419904
http://bazaar.tf/trade/485848
http://bazaar.tf/trade/482845
http://bazaar.tf/trade/486430
http://bazaar.tf/trade/480441
http://bazaar.tf/trade/373882
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9841521
Buyers for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093968
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092688
Sold at 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14912180
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15032865
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091912
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15090655
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092237
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092724
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092662
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088153 BOT
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14699856
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092491
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089755
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071710
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14984860
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14873641
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15017137
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092986
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092908
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079533
http://bazaar.tf/trade/176437
http://bazaar.tf/trade/487137
http://bazaar.tf/trade/483211
Buyers for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078285
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13599180
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093188
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078070
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079632
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15084356
Sold at 6 ref (mostly quicksales)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092409 selling fast
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089976 gone fast
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089816
Key risin' fight?
Need to upvote the both, the admins will decide who'll win.
let the best man win
No rematch~
cba to tidy up the proof
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093513 - Sold for 6.11
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9841538 - Sold for 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093276 - Sold for 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093205 - Sold for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093007 - Sold for 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092986 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092908 - Sold for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092742 - Sold for 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092724 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092671 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092662 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092309 - Sold for 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092237 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091934 - Sold for 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091934 - Sold for 6.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091880 - Sold for 6.33
http://bazaar.tf/trade/487290 - Sold for 6.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093817 - Sold for 6.11
That's all I could pick up myself in ~3 minutes, if you check closed times on all of these then it's obvious most (if not all) of these closed within minutes of having been posted, especially on 6/6.11, I guess I can agree.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14931133 - I have only managed to buy 6 in a week. And they weren't all normal keys. Upvote from me.
Christmas is coming ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)I could still easily buy for 6 ref. 6 ref isn't impossible and shouldn't be excluded from range.
Also, compared to other previously accepted key suggestions, you don't seem to have enough proof
And?
, I was the one who gathered the proof for the suggestion and if PyroMan is just using that for his suggestion, I'm going to fight back
*Pyroman
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14130954
I have sold 4 at 6.33 in the past week or so with infrequent bumping, so 6.11-6.22 is definitely viable.
Upvote, time to raise price another scrap.
inb4 people rage at me for selling above bp.tf price
I'm just going to ask for proof, because proof feeds the masses.
Here ya go.
http://imgur.com/xM5Hc1X,Xl7L5nJ,Ht4F3e0
because it's actually pretty easy to sell at 6.11 today...
On the contrary, I sell most of my keys on bp.tf classified, and I get more buyers than I want to sell keys when I post them for 6.11 ref. If people are willingly paying the higher price, that means the suggested price should rise. This site is about reporting accurate prices, not about making statements of whatever you feel is the ideal price. Also, you could be a bit better mannered so that we can have constructive discussions.
I guess that makes sense. Just seems a bit ridiculous how high keys have gotten. Also seems a bit ridiculous to knock the price all the way up to the VERY MAXIMUM of what people will pay for it. I just miss the good ol' days when you could just get a key for 2 craft hats...
I have purchased 18 keys for 6 ref and resold all for 6.11 ref. People will pay either or
JUST SOLD A KEY FOR 6.22.. took 2 hours to sell on backpack with no bumping
Proof - [url]http://gyazo.com/4b0692f2c9be8dda412930744c8d6c14.png[/url]
And bought a key right after for 6 for that 2 scrap profit lol
6.11 flat might be good for the time being
6 ref sells extreme fast, upvote
Just a quick question... If key prices are so high, and ref prices are so low, why don't hats cost more? Am I not understanding something here, or are you guys just trying to make more profit from selling keys?
Its because people are still able to buy hats at the same price they always were. If I to go buy an Ellis Cap a year I could find sellers at 1.33 refined, and the same is true today. The difference with keys is that anyone selling keys for less than backpack.tf gets bought up before they can bump their trade again, and thus sellers of keys continuously are raising their prices.
i think we shud take a even smaller step 6.00ref-6.11ref
new price 6.11ref
but i upvote because you can't stop keys :3
Extra proof
Failing buyers for 6 refined
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069953
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070599
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15104932
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15101491
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15105321
Sold at 6.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15016579
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13686812 BOT
I will get some more later but I need to study for now.
Regarding your failed buyers:
1. Bought
2. Bought
3. Not bought after 4 hours (minutes old when you posted)
4. Has keys in his bp
5. Has keys in his bp
I don't agree with you
TF2 finance currently says 6.06 ref
Trade.tf says 6.00 ref
Both these sources are based on 1000s of actual trades.
If this isn't price manipulation I don't know what is.
Keys are probably the highest traded item in the TF2 market and 20 or so trades is still not enough evidence - you need to look at numbers in the 100's-1000's
Counter evidence of quicksells below
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15098783 sold for 5.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085076 sold for 5.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15077971 sold for 5.88
You can still buy keys for less. However - more evidence based on wholesale trading not a select few:
http://tf2finance.com/keys/
Keys at 6.06 as of 18th Oct.
http://www.trade.tf/price/5021/6
Keys at 6.00 ref on average based on over 4000 trades.
I've 188 keys and I've NEVER paid more than 6 ref. This is the blind leading the blind.
Well they've set up those rules....
-The range can't be bigger than a scrap
-If it sells quickly, it's quicksell and should not be included in the range even though it happens regularly
-Don't care about that buyers are still successful for the lower end, we are talking about sales
-You only need proof from a fraction of the market, not that keys is the main currency in the market....or?
-Buying for the high end means he is reselling for profit. No there is nothing involved with needing a key, that price has to become the high end (Overpay doesn't exist)
I don't know why keys should have different rules than other items...Also, they keep forgetting that new keys get into the market every second and if they are cheap, they go quickly: http://imgur.com/bQBXQwh
I'd say keys are getting sold in the range of 6-6.33 refined....no need to remove 6 from the range
Keys and metal are the currency the whole tf2 economy is based on - and as a currency it needs to be treated differently due to the vast numbers that are traded (like stock and currency indexes in real life - the pound sterling isn't in the FTSE 100 index as its a currency not a security).
The reported value needs to be based on the median value that the majority keys are traded at; this cant be determined by handpicking a select few sales, but only wholesale market data. Removing a vote for keys and basing the value on Steams trading data over set intervals would be the most correct method of obtaining the value of keys at a given period, with the actual range determined by interquartile range - or some other mathematical formula to work out the upper and lower boundaries. The current method fails because it allows a section of the market to determine the price range of the entire market.
Just because a method is traditional doesn't mean it should be followed blindly. Voting works for most items - but Keys are highly contentious and the human element needs to be removed - both in forms of suggestion and admin purview. Key price should be determined by actual sales from marketing data and not perception of sales.
Some more unimportant links for ya gathered from trade.tf
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15077648 - 3.33 in items
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091934 - 4.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080768 - 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093341 - 5.66
http://i.imgur.com/v4QIMb7.png
Cant do other thing than upvote, i buy for 6.11 or 6.22 because lower sellers are always out of stock, but im afraid that when this vote will pass, ppl will start selling for 6.33 in about a week or 2, and we will get again here, voting for 6.33 as top range probably
stil easy to buy them for 6 ref. i bought 13 keys in 3 days
I bought 6 keys for 6 ref in 15 minutes today. It's not hard, but You can also easily sell for 6.22 ref. I'm staying neutral here.
NOTE TO ADMINS: Please raise the limit for making key suggestions to 1 rec or higher and add a time limit of 1 month. Even the suggestions themselves cause the prices to go up, because people consider them as forecasts. I don't want to get into another lengthy discussion, and I only hope that you have all understood that the current system needs to be changed.
[Comment from http://backpack.tf/u/76561197965556178 ] He did spam with this message, but i think is the best comment in this suggestion. Really, he has reason, that can be the solution.
Closing Due to further research showing that current range is acceptable, you can sleep another day.