Suggestion: Hong Kong Cone at 4.66–5 ref

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~4.33 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 21 Oct 13 05:00:17 +0000 by SirJjjon.

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Proof:

Sold at 4.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092954

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15083228

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15075494

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069197

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070206 (listed for 5 and sold for 4.66)

Thanks, as always. Feedback is always welcome :)

Here, take some more proof, mate:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15096450

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088093 (4 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079811 (4.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076876 (4 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076612 (4 ref)

http://bazaar.tf/trade/485514 (4 ref)

I'm not really sure whether this is proof or counterproof, but take it regardless.

All of them are quicksells except for the first link which is reserved for someone.

These are all quicksells since they were all sold within a day.

Not the strongest proof in my opinion.

Any more than 3 or so means it's no longer a quicksell. Upvote. Maybe some more 4.66 sellers though?

So if I sell 50 keys for 1 scrap that doesn't make it a quicksell?

Are you going to sell 50 keys for 1 scrap?

That was a rhetorical question. But by your logic, it's not a quicksell then?

If someone actually did it, it would be a quicksell. But since you aren't going to and neither is anyone else it was an invalid point. There's a difference between selling 0.33 below current value and 6 ref below current value.

You're completely missing the point. If a sheer amount of people sell below current range and sells quickly, it's still a quicksell. Backpack.tf doesn't take quicksells into account.

so, your saying that if a very large amount of people sell at a lower price, than those sales are all invalid and could not be used at any time as proof?

either that or you don't know what "sheer" means...

If a sheer amount of people are selling below current range then it's because the range needs changing. I can't be bothered searching for proof to prove you wrong as it wouldn't really benefit me in anyway. I'll resuggest myself if this fails.

It's only invalid if it's a QUICKSELL.

Look at this http://backpack.tf/vote/id/525ab1184dd7b875398b4568

Pyroman had a sheer amount of solds for 1.5 keys but didn't include it in the range. Why? Because it is a QUICKSELL

That you be great if it was a QUICKSELL but unfortunately it seems that most of these are not.

Also you picked a poor example as those actual QUICKSELLS sold in under 1 hour...

Perhaps he was being conservative. I can see where you are coming from. I just don't agree.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092954 - probably sold without bumping

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15083228 - sold less than 10 views.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082659 - sold in less than 15 views

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15075494 - sold long time ago (item history)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069197 - sold less than 15 views

-_-

I beg to differ about the conservative statement

http://backpack.tf/stats/30185/6/0

Well of course people aren't selling for 1.5 now that there's a range.

Downvote, 4.66 is a quicksell.

Mate have you had a look at the classi's?

There's one there at 4.88 that's been there for a few days and one at 4.66 that's been there almost 1 day.

Oh boy, people's favorite solution for unsolds. If you actually look at their backpacks, it's no longer there, it sometimes doesn't auto remove it.

Oh sorry the site must be glitched when I looked in there backpack BEFORE POSTING and the items were there..

1 classified for 4.66 ref wouldn't be enough to be part of the lower range.

Counterproof

5 ref solds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025441 - unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15050865

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15055601

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15004339

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15031350

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15066092

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15066176 - unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010821

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15098640

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15054966

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15096506 --> http://puu.sh/4SW72.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15096433

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15095937

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094976

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9841606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092436

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092185

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091791 --> http://puu.sh/4SWfK.png

Just seems so easy to sell for 5 ref

hence why 5 ref is in the range...

You do realize that I kept 5 ref in the range due to that exact proof. its just convention not to prove the high end of the range if it already is the current price.

"The listed price should reflect the most commonly traded value for the item." - blind polar bear.

That's my 18 links vs your 5 ref solds. That makes it nearly 4x as much proof as you have. Those 5 ref links are easily outliers as well as they are quicksells. Anyways I think my work here is done. Good day to you.

Ok, good day to you too buddy :)

I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, so you win :)

A Mod can decide if my suggestion is ok and have a little chuckle at the comment thread too.

Why did I say 5 ref meant 4.66. Typo >.<

Great job on the counter proof KoDo, DOWNVOTE!