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ok, resuggesting because.
There are sales under 2.44 yes, but also sales above 2.44, and i feel like 2.44 is the most traded price.
-.11:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080312
2.33:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15101953 sold within a hour
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15101616 sold in a hour
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15099110 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15095193 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094360 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094356 within 12 hours
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092459 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091883 sold 8 without a bump (same person though)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15090556 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15087675 without bumping
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15087286 sold 8 without a bump (same person though)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15086481 4 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15086291 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085316 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15084776 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079982 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078708 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076668 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071204 within an hour
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071118 in ~a hour
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069505 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127055 without a bump within an hour
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124663 without a bump
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15116959 in ~a hour
2.44:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15010480 2 craft hats
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094628
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14509813
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14854038
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15090016
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092202
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094254
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15093272 sold 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15094602
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078242
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091149
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085673
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085612
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070870
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070856
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076760
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070428
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070273
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091113
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079871
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15079443
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088784
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122759
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15083276
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088704
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15077113 atleast i think its 2.44 each, if not he is stupid
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088660 2 + 1 ref for a key
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089998 ==> http://puu.sh/4T1bN.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124695
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121584
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15120684 ==> http://puu.sh/4TUge.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15119065
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15106916
2.55:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15027592 multiple
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15092052
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15089446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15088723
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076882
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15076366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15071060
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15114326
2.66:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14925902 atleast one
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15066945
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070899
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13684322
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080040
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15083232
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15073279
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15083142
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082370
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14880247
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15075573
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13410843
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15100079 not in bp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085909 ==> http://puu.sh/4T1gU.png
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085814 ones in his bp have a different ID
http://puu.sh/4TmE7.png
3 ref/2 for a key:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13337796
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14960708
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15038071
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13705403
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13466615
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15073979
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15095623
Buyers (not all may be succesfull, but its rather hard to find that out)
2.44: (i believe these are all bots)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12000482
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14924695
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13492053
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12000665
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14813706
2.33:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15070802
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15100810
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14948687
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14845889
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15046492
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14999883
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/6760241
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14863547
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15102755
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124351
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12667786
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14703917
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15020315
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15103446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14547912
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14849803
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14426544
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15065361
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14759462
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15104115
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14723966
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15123728
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15085920
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15068025
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15091117
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15078986
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127240
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14975363
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14787092
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15020109
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117652
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122703
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14990970
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15043229
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15081319
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15059911
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15118616
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14567687
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14988616
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14806731
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117235
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15077830
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14725697
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15115019
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15063801
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15110186
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15038526
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12667399
Bought (because all proof is neccessary when evaluating a price)
2:
http://i.imgur.com/kVy8syt.jpg
2.11:
http://i.imgur.com/nPZMEFC.jpg
2.22:
http://i.imgur.com/pFufMYP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7MrVeKL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RM4XWiC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4BILdQB.jpg
http://imgur.com/vYH9lSB
2.33:
http://i.imgur.com/uZw5aAI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/glBeQyp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/boHuPuT.jpg also 1 at 2.44
2.44:
http://i.imgur.com/8W5Jy8A.jpg
once again: it is possible to buy for less then 2.44, but also possible to sell for 2.44 (2.44 goes pretty fast anyway)
Need to upvote, what can i do against a such big proof? :)
well, you could check it perhaps.
there is no way you looked through it properly in that minute you commented after i posted this.
I'll try to help you, just put mine on the market for 2.33 and i hope it'll be a quicksell.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/TBBSammy/ (Check in bp selling 2.55 has 3)
EDIT: JUST BEEN ADDED IN 10 MINUTES SOLD AT 2.33!
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125198 expect that it didnt sell :(
Thank you for using my uploaded trades as evidence, but the fact that I can easily make soo many purchases represents the market is selling them for 2.33 and even 2.22 ref. These buy prices are happening with other tod buyers as well but they are not aware of a price vote occurring to ring in with their evidence.
I Still think this is a downvote with the availability of 2.22 and 2.33 on the market.
Synopsis of my trades at 2.33 or less
My trades for 2.33 or less (most recent to oldest)
http://i.imgur.com/UYC2czK.jpg -2.22 Just now NEW EVIDENCE
http://imgur.com/vYH9lSB -2.22 Earlier today
http://i.imgur.com/pFufMYP.jpg -2.22
http://i.imgur.com/7MrVeKL.jpg -2.22
http://i.imgur.com/RM4XWiC.jpg -2.22
http://i.imgur.com/uZw5aAI.jpg -2.33
http://i.imgur.com/glBeQyp.jpg - 3 for 2.33 each
http://i.imgur.com/boHuPuT.jpg - 1 for 2.33/ 1 for 2.44
http://i.imgur.com/kVy8syt.jpg - 2 ref
http://i.imgur.com/4BILdQB.jpg -2.22
I am lucky my friend notified me of another vote again or else I would not be able to speak up for the TOD buyers who do not re-sell them for a measly scrap profit.
It is not a coincidence that all the TOD Bots and Traders alike rose their prices on outpost when the voting was opened on the previous suggestion of 2.44-2.66.
With that said, If I am successful at 2.22 ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15106447) , then I can imagine the success of 2.33 tod buyer are having, which includes all the buyers you have shown in the evidence. The current range already properly represents the market.
i still wonder why you get so many sales at 2.22 or less, when there is such an abundance of 2.33 buyers.
On anothe note, the bots were already buying at 2.44 before i made my other suggestion, and there were already alot of traders buying at 2.33.
There are sales under 2.44, but also alot of sales above 2.44.
My argument is, If I am getting so many tod trades at 2.22, I am sure the 2.33 guys are getting even more.
i myself buy them at 2.33, but i barely get them, i believe i got 1 in 2 weeks.
Well, I got added for 2 at 2.22 just in the past half day
Bought 2 more at 2.22
http://i.imgur.com/lsa8CUX.jpg
Not very hard at all
Nice proofs mate.
Up vote :)
SOLD 2
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o742/andry659/TOD_zpsf246750b.png (2.66)
http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o742/andry659/TOD2_zps188b5fc9.png (2.55)
UPVOTE
Those sales disprove the current proposed price of 2.44 flat
I made it 2.44 flat because it is the most traded value, 2.33-2.66 would be too big of a range for such a common traded item, there are sales below 2.44 and sales above 2.44, but i'd say 2.44 is the msot common.
This vote is raising the low end from 2.33 to 2.44 flat. You must prove that 2.33 and less is unattainable through unsuccessful trades. 2.33 and 2.22 is still very attainable based on the evidence. I got 4 at 2.22 and 1 at 2.33 in the same day. For me, those are common buy prices, but the range for backpack is 2.33-2.44 based on the evidence and current market activities.
Such a big amount of proof... upcoke. ^^
true this time
You could easily put an offer of 2.33 ref for those trading at 2.44 and they would accept.
im not gonna pay more that 2 ref to play mvm !
If you play a mission you've already done, it doesn't consume the ticket when you're finished, provided that you still have at least 1 mission not completed in the tour.
http://puu.sh/4V26T.png
I've sold plenty more for 3 refined, but that's all I can find for now
This vote is raising the low end from 2.33 to 2.44 flat. You must prove that 2.33 and less is unattainable. Anything over 2.44 doesn't prove that point.
Umm, how about instead of criticizing me, you find some counterproof.
I did not mean to criticize. It was meant to be constructive. I have provided plenty of evidence from my normal everyday trading of tod (excluding today, was at a wedding) that shows 2.22 and 2.33 trades occur. You may see them in the above comments.
Aye, I see that. Sorry, kind of a bad day and I'm really tired. It's not that 2.33 isn't unavailable, but it sells out REALLY quick. I've sold quite a few for 3 refined, truthfully, I just can't find it.
No Worries. I can understand that. I am sure that you can get more on the tour tickets seeing that people will run into offline traders etc. Because of the changes in this suggestion, typically people who buy tods for less can provide the evidence. All I play is MVM and since i go through a lot of tod's, I go through a lot of metal and look to buy at the older reasonable prices with success. Typically the people who are buying at 2.33 and 2.44 are the tod traders who look to make the scrap profit. They will pay more for high turnover on their tour tickets. For me, that can be seen as cornering the market for price manipulation. Just because the traders buy them at 2.44 to resell at 2.55 doesn't mean that others aren't still buying them in trade servers and other means for less.
Tickets do sell pretty quick. But this change ought to slow it down. Oh well, it's legit proof. *upvote*
Only one on classifieds for 2.33 is a guy who is clearly afk. Been up for 6 days
This obviously gets sold from 2.22-3 ref. But 2.44 does seem to be the trade point now. And with most quickbuyers buying at 2.33 with the intent to sell for profit (2.44-2.66), it seems fair to remove that from the bottom of the range.