Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 6–6.11 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

1181 votes up

379 votes down

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Comments

This Is A Counter Suggestion. PPMja998 found ALL of the proof. I take no credit for any of it.

Solds all within the past 18 hours of my post on the previous key suggestion. For context, this counter-proof was on it, and the suggestion was passed within an hour of my post. I believe it to be incorrect price point as the market stands.

Proof

Sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254321 uh

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256237 5.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255416 5.33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257076 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255068 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262194 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262028 5.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252021 9 for 5.88 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265036 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262161 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263487 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262828 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256825 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256794 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257580 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257247 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261421 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262815 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262717 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254938 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262662 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251028 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262379 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261268 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253930 6 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262763 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254733 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263372 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257673 6 ref for 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263475 9 for 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256016 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249629 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249594 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259174 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258553 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265810 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257901 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265878 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258118 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253608 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257148 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256094 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258114 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252385 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250993 6 ref 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253243 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250924 6 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855038 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253270 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263705 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259699 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251874 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254093 6 ref unbumped

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855591 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260852 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259736 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253063 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251471 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260704 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264653 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255794 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261950 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261691 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256562 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261986 6.05 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261123 6.05 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261092 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256006 6.11 ref?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260912 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264042 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254062 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255387 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249586 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253451 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253037 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252990 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251977 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255165 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253139 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254910 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265827 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252259 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250257 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249293 6.11 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/500916 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250179 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250053 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252232 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253783 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251539 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250021 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249994 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249841 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251508 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253686 6.11 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9854884 6.11 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501096 6.11

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501616 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262863 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256623 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254676 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254265 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251195 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254216 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254139 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256044 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256586 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265027 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255784 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256197 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255122 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256996 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265013 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253065 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257229 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257647 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257639 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256566 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257637 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259400 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255484 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263128 6.11 ref started at 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263563 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258574 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262984 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260052 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260671 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15260630 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263130 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259853 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262159 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262719 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263524 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263627 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264142 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258028 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263805 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264102 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258079 key shop, bought 1 6.11 ref and sold 1 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253112 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 has an add at 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 buying 6.05 selling 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258573 6.16 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15250782 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388 sold 1 for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258629 2 for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894 6.22 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15252057 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251348 6.22 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15251885 6.22 ref 4

Selling

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265286 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263457 6 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265248 6 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/501533 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264545 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256031 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263072 6.11 ref sold 1

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9856071 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253637 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254535 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265236 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264926 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264898 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263063 6.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253261 6.11 ref unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263201 6.22 ref ( no bites)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850 1 for 6.22 sold 1

Additional context

http://imgur.com/a/FwtD2 43 closed bp.tf classified listings. If you're too lazy to go through them, there are 23 6.11 ref sales, 20 6 ref sales, 1 6.05 ref sale, 2 5.88 sales, 1 6.16 sale, and ~4 6.22 sales.

http://imgur.com/a/OZDnA Me buying/selling keys on trade servers for 6 ref. Have some buys from scrap.tf on there at 6.11 but not really as relevant. I really don't buy that many keys lol, I do see advertisements at 6 more than this. I've literally never had to buy a key for 6.22, even when I was desperate lol

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15249920

Conclusion

The actual opened and finished trades during the past 18 hours tell a very different story than the one that is being passed off as fact from the recently accepted suggestion with baseless links. In my opinion, this shows that 6.22 has absolutely no place in the range (like I've been saying all week). Whether or not 6 ref directly belongs in the range is up for debate, but 6.11 implicitly covers both 6.22 and 6 as selling points that happen but not as frequently/consistantly. Feel free to agree and feel free to disagree, please check my links and please let me know if you think 6-6.11 was/is a better price point, (I don't believe it is as the market stands now) or even if the accepted suggestions range is "correct". Do not upvote simply because of a down arrow on a key suggestion, skews the result, especially since I'm "technically" still rising them here.. Please back up any of your statements with proof/counter-proof (screenshots are the best) or don't make them at all. Thanks.

Other Proof From Comments:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15021222 (buying for 6 ref, has over 200 keys, out of metal stock, not buying atm)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15080865 (6 ref, got many adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14907794 (6 ref, got many adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14877190 (6 ref, got many adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14602879 (6 ref, got many adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212614 (buying for 6/6.06 ref, bought over 12)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122944 (6 ref, got 2 adds during the last 4 hours)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14975673 (6 ref, bought over 80)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14642142 (6 ref, got multiple adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214026 (6 ref, already bought some)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15185918 (6 ref, got an add for 11 keys at once, ran out of metal)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15195513 (6 ref, got many adds during last few days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000866 (6 ref, bought 3, trying to sell them unsuccessfully for 6.22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131439 (6 ref, got 3 adds in the last 3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267 (6 ref, 1055 keys in his bp, last add yesterday)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14739351 (5.66 ref, got an add 4 days ago)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14755212 (6 ref, got many adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268243 (6 ref, bought in less then 15 minutes)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253422 (6 ref, bought at least 6 keys in less then 15 hours)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14997016 (6 ref, got multiple adds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153939 (6 ref, bought 96 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193 (6 ref, got an add yesterday)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14894567 (6 ref, got multiple adds, 25+ keys in his bp)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069005 bought 8 keys @ 6.11

http://prntscr.com/1zs6y0

http://prntscr.com/1zs6zv

http://prntscr.com/1zs71k

http://prntscr.com/1zs73f

http://imgur.com/CjwST5d

http://scr.hu/0kk9/3jy9u

http://puu.sh/4UN7M.png

http://puu.sh/4UN9a.png

http://puu.sh/4UN9J.png

http://puu.sh/4UNcJ.png

http://puu.sh/4VPmO.png

http://puu.sh/4VPpQ.png

http://puu.sh/4VPu4.png

http://puu.sh/4VPuL.png

http://puu.sh/4VPvk.png

These are all people who have had a successful purchase at 6 refined within the last couple of days and all from the first page of outpost.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14847125

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15000131

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14675614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15180267

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13706399

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15157607

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023193

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14883849

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15082750

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15113294

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138878

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128747

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15173663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14474870

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15110269

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14908219

AGAIN: I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR ANY OF THIS PROOF.

THIS IS A COUNTER SUGGESTION

I WILL NOT BE RESPONDING TO ANY COMMENTS

if anything, this makes the other suggestion more likely to be accepted. Upvote regardless, it should have never gone to 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14862241

That's my own trade. bought 12 keys this way ~

upvote

Lovely range and proof. Upvote.

im not sure who to upvote now, but i do agree that 6.22 shouldn't be in the range

I do feel is that theres way too many buyers above 6 ref for it to be in the range.

nvm I saw kodorin's comment and decided to change my mind lol

Honestly the range should be 6-6.22, there is plenty of proof for this range in links from the most recently passed suggestion, PPMja's suggestion, and this suggestion. You can't just ignore the large amount of links that are sold at 6.22, and you can't just ignore the large amount of links that are sold at 6. Tons of keys are being sold at this range and there's enough proof to support 6, 6.11 and 6.22. You should make a suggestion supporting this range instead, It is definitely more likely to pass.

Thanks so much!

I couldn't express how much I felt that 6 ref was still possible.

Thanks for this suggestion, amazing proof too, up-oat

Very good proof. Definite upvote

more than enough proof to show that 6.22 is too high. upvoted

so you're going to play the copy and paste game? k so will I.

6.22-6.33 solds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15274192

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273908

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273807 - his name was S>key for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273704 - unclear

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273532

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15273151 - sold 3

http://puu.sh/500MW.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272558 - unclear

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272480

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15272300

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271782 - sold 6?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271672 - uc = unclear

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271557

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271504

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271330

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271150

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271010

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271009

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15271007

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270841

http://puu.sh/501aW.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270557 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15270380

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269943 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269721 - 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269131 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15269004

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268925

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268741

http://puu.sh/501th.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268605

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268226

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15268032

http://puu.sh/501D6.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267848 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267589

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267273 --> http://puu.sh/501HM.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267187

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15267022

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266681

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266541

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266496 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266346 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266274

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15266271

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265424

http://puu.sh/501TP.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15265182

http://puu.sh/501Ww.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264714

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264158

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15264071

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263934 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15263824 - 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262766 - sold 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262489

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262252

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15262183

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261292

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261322

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15261138

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259875

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259782 --> http://puu.sh/502E6.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259388

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259364 - 6.16

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259324

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15259173

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15258801

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257894

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257850

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257434

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257416

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257235

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15257105

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15256743

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9855303

http://puu.sh/5030i.png http://puu.sh/50315.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255780

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255518

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15255499

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254980

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254895

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254198

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15254018

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15253837 - uc

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15121083

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15122818

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126161

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15125761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127835

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15127503 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128431

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15128674

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15129518

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130166

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126275

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131110

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131098 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132809

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134918

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134787

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136712 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136311

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137999

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137859

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15138260

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139641 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141701

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9845947

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15141814

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15135503

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139733

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9844968

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124274

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136963

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15124446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143665

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15136044

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15132564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15143577

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15140109 - 5 craft hats?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15134711

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15139938

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15131798

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202580

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15203553

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204871

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204799

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204615

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204486

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204443

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15205213

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15206203

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207241

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207607 - sold multiple

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207825

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207671

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207749

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208764

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9851412

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15207978

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208295

http://bazaar.tf/trade/497225

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213400

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210210

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214885

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213731

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213637

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214104

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15214462

http://bazaar.tf/trade/497822

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215670

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215079

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15215032

http://bazaar.tf/trade/497346

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15216867

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217385

http://bazaar.tf/trade/498052

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208835

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218080

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217917

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217747

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218413

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218532

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218644

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219350

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219076

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219323 - might've sold for 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15220054

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15219709

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221362

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221425

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221496

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15221489

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222097

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222583

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15222665

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223366

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223861

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224120

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15225591

http://bazaar.tf/trade/498379

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224228

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15224218

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223783

http://bazaar.tf/trade/498620

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223529

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9852652

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208010 - ...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15202765 - buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15060368 - BOT BUYER FOR 6.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15227781

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228164

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228199 --> http://puu.sh/4YMej.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228251

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228940

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853132

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15229595

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230832

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15231150

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853328

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233892

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233860

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233682

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233371

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853559

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15233893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236103

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235798

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15235687

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236645

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236243

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9853843

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238571

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239191

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239350

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240433

http://bazaar.tf/trade/500081

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240226

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15239771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15236839

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241596

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15241589

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15025921 - buyer 6.11, sold multiple 6.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15146567

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15175361

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14969079

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117905

6.11 buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15230945

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13730478 - bot buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238784

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15069622

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15217600

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15097674 - 200 ref in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11494475 - 6.22, though bot is offline

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15242147

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13599180 - bot buyer

And this is me just refreshing page one for the past 5 minutes... :|

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15118227 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11851316 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15244390 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15237198

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15204006

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15137189 - Looks like =ocu='s key bot is buying for 6.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223907

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15212558

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15023638

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13580249 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15238363

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117649

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15228539 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15117639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15208825

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15240232

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12729897 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15108851 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15181175 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15210616

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15126867

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223548

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14901748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10806553

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15081820 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15048809

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15187408

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13678223 - bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15040178

Just so easy to dump your key for 6.11 if you spend at least 15 minutes refreshing the first page.

http://scrap.tf/keys -Scrap.tf is now buying for 6.11.

suggest another suggestion then.

I checked out your buyer links. All of them are either bots (invalid proof), or sellers who gets tons of adds, and flooded with keys. It's the same if I'll put up a buying trade 7 ref for a key. Wanna see how many adds I'll get ?

Bots are valid proof if they sell below range or buy above range. how many times do I seriously need to explain this.

almost every one of these keys for 6.22 sellers has trades buying keys for 6.11or less or does it else were like in a trade server and no they don't buy them at 6.22 just to sell them for the same price any one who sells keys on tf2overpay.com is just greedy

So a bot buying keys for 8 refined is proof, right?

Yeah sure why not.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/526b72d44dd7b8ab7e8b4568 nice copy paste i see u got some pc skilz downvote

Did you even read what he said? He said all proof goes to PPMja. He merely lowered the price range due to PPMja's proof having many 6 refined sellers

If keys goes down, metal goes up?

LOL :facepalm:

i'm pretty sure that's how it works *read the sarcasm please*

Lots of proof

Upvote

I have a trade up buying keys for 6 ref, I have not gotten any buyers in the last week. From what ive seen, the amount of keys being bought/sold at 6 ref vs 6.11 is too low for 6 ref to be Included.

Ive been buying for 6.22 :c

I'm a good boy: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15278169

http://bazaar.tf/trade/495825 i bought one for 6 ref

If adding 6 ref to the price, 6.22 ref should also be included, since 6 ref (and 6.11 ref) are getting sold within seconds after listing.

Sigh... this is why I never use backpack.tf for my pricing. Too much price manipulation.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=189375921

Never did see this key get sold; maybe he left the server, or maybe someone bought it and I didn't see because of the regular item server lags, but the point is if people are openly offering keys for 6 ref, then you were wrong to raise the price.

Trade.tf, in my experience and despite all my early concerns about their trustworthiness, has been a lot more spot-on. Let's take a quick look at their graph for some insight:

http://www.trade.tf/price/5021/6

Almost a full month of steady 6 ref key pricing, even amidst the community market price skyrocketing. 10 days between your increase to 6.11 and the first blip on their histogram. Also, the lower end remains at a solid 6 ref even to this hour. I realize you friendly ~~keybankers~~ backpack.tf admins will probably disagree, but to me this strongly suggests keys are being bought and sold at 6 ref and the price change was accepted for reasons that weren't exactly Kosher.

Now, let's talk about the standard of proof around here for a moment. Just about every single key suggestion comes with a wall of text that is nothing except tf2outpost.com links. To many of you, absent a better trading website (I think there are better sites, but I digress), this looks like valid evidence. Let me explain why outpost-only proofs are not valid. If I go on outpost looking for a key, I've already accepted the fact that I'm going to spend 1-2 scrap higher than whatever you listed here. It's the same concept as "item overpay" or "unusual overpay". I'm going because I need the key(s) right now badly enough that price isn't an issue, I can't/won't sit on a trade server for whatever reason, or I'm just new to trading and don't yet realize what a shithole outpost is. I'm saying this from my own personal experience as a trader, and I think this reflects a lot of people's experiences, hence a large reason people accuse you of "collaborating with "TF2Outpost".

Now maybe TF2OP is a good source of evidence for some trades. This may be true, but the reason is most other items (excluding "QUICKSELL ONLY" trades) are not traded for the purpose of resale. Keys, which serve as currency (thus are safe to count on retrading), have resellers buying from eachother with the intent of reselling at a higher price, which is where the appearance of "price fixing" comes from. So on a site like outpost, the competition to quickly buy the lowest one there is fierce even if the lowest one there is not the lowest one on the market. So when you cite trades on outpost as evidence for higher-valued items, you need to show that price reflects the market as a whole and not just outpost, or else people will rightly say you're stuck in a feedback loop with tf2outpost.

>inb4 #savethekeys

Yeah, no. Frankly I've never been a part of those "must sell at 2.66" groups. I'm just about done with TF2 trading; this want-it-now-teenager-dominated market of price manipulation and sharking is too depressing to watch anymore. I'm just sick of backpack.tf dictating the key prices because of all the kids who religiously follow their price list, so I figured I'd comment on one of their price increases after my backpack inexplicably went up by a couple dollars in a single day.

Upvote for reverting something that never should have been accepted, and for the love of God stop accepting suggestions from people who are obviously manipulating prices. Not like votes matter around here anyway.

TRADE.TF TAKES ITEMS INTO ACCOUNT, NOT JUST METAL.

Please use the forums for soapboxing; suggestions are not blogs, they are for discussing proof and counterproof.

How is that soapboxing? I posted a screenshot of someone selling a key for 6 ref in the trade server, I pointed out that trade.tf shows keys at 6 ref, and then explained why proofs consisting only of outpost threads are insufficient.

Please add mods to discuss warnings or bans; suggestions are not the place

Proof is goood +1

It's near impossible to find someone selling for 6.00 ref on Outpost, and if you do, it sells in seconds. 6 is a quicksell, no doubt about it. Every trade for 6 ref selling in your proof is closed. C'mon. Find a key sale for 6 ref more than 2 hours old and I'll be impressed.

2 open key suggestions, that are decreases. wut?

anyway upvote

3 now

Well just to throw in my experience, everybody I've been trading with, whether they need me to break a key or if I'm breaking a key in a trade, we always treated it as 6, its just a nice easy number to work with.

Just a small contribution: http://ss.5pace.org/2XMT

Will be adding more.

Good proof and range, upvote

I like how all 3 suggestions are lowering the price