Suggestion: Vintage Bonk Helm at 0.9–1 keys

Little convincing evidence of many sales; Low demand - consumers are just not interested; niche market does exist who like the vintage hat are are willing to pay market price

Pretty sufficient Proof; could move it to 1 Key Flat - however, moving back to the older range to allow some freedom for sellers and buyers.

How is it that 1 user is successfully pushing down the price of the majority of items on Backpack? Buyers want a low price, however, you also do need to consider the market price

WHY I CARE:

-I have a LEVEL 99 Helm

Thanks Guys if you stuck through that :)

sellers don't cut it im afraid, you need to show actual sales at 1 key

Used to be plenty of sales at the old price; Now buyers don't seem to be buying as they rely on backpack prices

ok, now show us this with links to outpost trades that have sold at 1 key

These are all ads for unpainted bonk helms (Skipped a level 1) in the last 24 hours; didn't sort it - 4 are sold the rest are all the ads - There is one at 5 Ref unsold, 3 Sold at 1 Key; Not many buyers

re-read what everyone has been telling you, you need SALES. not selling. wait for currant trades to sell

I guess you also do need to re-read man

''These are all ads for unpainted bonk helms (Skipped a level 1) in the last 24 hours; didn't sort it - 4 are sold the rest are all the ads - There is one at 5 Ref unsold, 3 Sold at 1 Key; Not many buyers''

If any have sold, SHOW US! as in post the link to the trade ans label it clearly as SOLD. All the rest of the sellers are irrelevant proof.

Selling =/= Sold

Obvious price manipulation is obvious?

Yes it is obvious, is obvious right ?

Hey;

I do know the difference - That's why I used the word ''seller''

A definition, if English is not your strong point:

''A party that makes, offers or contracts to make a sale to an actual or potential buyer. Also called vendor''

sellers are sticking there. but are SOLDS sticking there?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13664583 - Selling for bp.tf price (5.33)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15218081 - High bp.tf price (5.55)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14624313 - High bp.tf price (5.55)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15194859 - 1:1 with clean whoopie (1.33!)

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/520031464bd7b8a16c00001d - One of 5 refined

Your price shouln't work.

yes, im seeing SELLING but no SOLDs :( downvote

Just around 4/ 6 sales in the last 40 or so trades; put them down - but not very convincing - will let this die a slow painful death :)

You need proof of sold ones not sellers..... Like I am now selling a Stormy Tc for 90 buds , that doesn't mean it is 90 buds...

There are 4 sales in that list; Only 8 in the last 3 days according to what I had a look on Trade.tf; Not an item in high demand, but people looking for one are willing to pay market price.

The Vintage Dropper says NO!!! Downvote. :P

Buyouts are not valid proof mate. Show us proof of sale at 0.9-1 key.

Simple profit there.

Only 4 sales in the last 4 days for unpainted helms; Not very convincing evidence - but just put it up

you're basically providing counter-proof to your own suggestion

Not really; As I said - not many buyers; Many reasons as to why, price is one

So why you bumping the price up, if you don't find any buyer/sold for a key?

I said not many buyers. Not - No buyers. 4 Buyers at 1 Key. 1/2 Buyers at 5 Ref; 1 unsold at 5 Ref

Show us buyers at 1 key.

Posted it 20 minutes or so back

You got only sales for 5-5.55 refined. Why the f*ck 0.9-1 key?

selling =/= sold

Hey;

I do know the difference - That's why I used the word ''seller''

A definition if English is not your strong point:

''A party that makes, offers or contracts to make a sale to an actual or potential buyer. Also called vendor''

Not enough sales, as sellers =/= sales, downvote.

Just 4 sales. Not in high demand - not necessarily no demand; Majority of sellers at 1 Key; Perhaps things will pick up after Halloween, perhaps not - Just stating the evidence.

Seeing as 3/4 of those sales were at 5 ref, and only one was at a key, the only reason you would price it at a key is to make yours go up.

Even if the sellers are at one key, the only thing that matters is sales.

I could be selling one for a bud. Doesn't make the price a bud.

That's right - however, if there are very few sales at 5 Ref - why should be just consider those, instead of all the sellers in the market?; either way - don't worry about my backpack - I have plenty of other items man :)

Because the sales matter, not sellers.

In the real world - if a lot of people think the price of something will go up or sell it at a high price - then it goes up; Sellers do matter - Why do you think that the price of oil has shot up so much -

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

This is sad, but the TF2 economy is arguably worse then the US economy :/

It is DEFINITELY more messed up in terms of how people buy and sell crap.

I guess in the ''real world'' it's easier say how much something costs - based on real materials used, etc;

Regarding this ad - Not sure about whether people are just not interested in it because of the price - or perhaps the focus is on Halloween - Some sold at a Key - some unsold at 5 Ref - Very strange; Anyway man, thanks for your suggestions and comments; enjoy TF2 trading :)

Hypocrite of the year award goes too..

Commenting when you don't know the full story. It doesn't really matter how many items you have in your backpack.

''If a user told me ''I'll buy your bonk helm if you raise the price to 1 Key'' and I did that, straight away and there was proof of that - It would be manipulation''; especially if you didn't use the right figures to back it up.

Having a 1000 bonk helms and changing the price (by arguing your case) using independent figures is perfectly legitimate.

The moderators have cleared issues I raised- If I have done something wrong - let the moderators have a look at the evidence and come with a judgement.

I was saying you're a hypocrite because you criticize Kodorin for manipulating when he obviously hasn't, then you come and try to up your item with invalid proof. Also, he was joking, which you obviously couldn't tell.

I've presented the evidence clearly; Mentioned trades - Only a fraction were sold; So realized - probably not popular - meaning it's overpriced; just letting it die a slow painful death now.

With this trade - the majority of traders are selling at 1 Key - That was my point; however, it's a buyers market here so that proof doesn't affect the price

As far as the issues with the Bat-Outta-Hell trade; The fact is that a User A (Buyer) said they will buy the items if User B (the seller) raises the price; It wasn't an issue because User B had already opened up a vote to raise the price.

Doesn't seem like a big issue as it's only a scrap - however - it's like match fixing - paying someone to bend the rules in your favor.

No issue with the seller owning items they wanted to increase the price of - That's fine if the right numbers and figures are used.

No issue with the evidence used - In fact it's much better than mine - because they are items sold.

This was to do with an Outpost trade, One which has now been censored