Suggestion: Upgrade to Premium Gift at 2.3–2.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15341639 - if u check the history of these upgrades the same guy bought all three it was the only available trade for them at the time.

in conclusion after looking around at the market i realised this needs a nice new range

support/ counterproof is welcomed ^^

I have no idea why this is worth more than a ref, let alone 2.5 keys. You can get premium by buying a fifty cent weapon from the Mann Co. store.

yeah but the gift itself costs 5$ on the mann co store w8 a minute

mann co key =2.50

gift:=5.00

key is worth 1 key in tf2 (duh)

gift is worth 2.5 keys

.5 key (3 ref cheaper) wtf?!?!?!?!?!? pfft i guess mann co better change their prices if we don't change ours right XD

any ways besides selling stuff on steam market u cant get 50 cents no steam you ahve to add atleast 5 dollars also it's nice to give it to someone not to mention its more convienent gift wise instead of having to go on their steam to buy it.

Lol but if you have fifty cents, you can get premium.

IF U HAVE ffs, people buy this for that price thats why the price is more thhan 2 keys FFS

Umm, what? If "ffs" means "fifty cents", it still doesn't make any sense. There is absolutely no reason you wouldn't just buy a weapon.

if u can't get money to steam... omg some people can't understand...

Why wouldn't you be able to get money on steam?

if u can't get money to internet ffs.

I have a classmate who would never be able to convince parents to let him get a steam card. Another friend got him an Upgrade to Premium gift.

FFS mean "For F***s Sake".

3 keys is an outlier, it is not in either the current price nor the suggested one

did you offer 3 keys if so i'm pretty sure that's sharking....

isnt sharking when someone offers a lower price on an item you are trying to sell to them?

no sharking is when you mislead a player into thinking an item is cheaper and then buys it for this price if what you said was true all quick buyers would be sharks (they just rip people off really)

ive seen tons of those. that is what i meant sorry bout the wording. i meant people who try to buy for a lower price. they think we dont know about backpack.

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198023052413 we'll the person who said she's buyin ten for 3 keys seems all to familiar to bp.tf whachu think we got here legobro?

its kind of hard to tell since the key price keeps changing, but looks to me like they are trying to get more for less.

let me break it down for you

she is paying 18 refined for 152.8 refined worth of items either a troll a shark (drunk) or a relative trolling or just a miss understanding oh well

this has nothing to do with the price anymore so let's worry about that later. ^^

we'll unless she buying for 3 keys each in which shes loosin money

69 votes..... huehuehue judging by the lack of negitive comments i'm guna have 2 guess 85% are with me on this one ^^

Nope ◕ ‿ ◕

I was selling them at 2.5 keys for 2.5 weeks, but I've just run out of stock. I've sold about 70 of them in total. I wasn't even accepting items with really nice overpays since those upgrades are as easy to sell as cheap stranges <3

Counterproofs for the last 7 days only:

http://i.imgur.com/VEu2Onc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KtrWV0l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YaV7a0r.jpg -> [url]http://i.imgur.com/btEb6iB.jpg[/url]

http://i.imgur.com/AA8FGg3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1Z73Ofy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VRKkqYK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ihctYvw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/F4sas60.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/D282mIC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nKVCxrW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hrv3HoA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/a7ybegs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q8GHhAt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8kpugpy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/j2GwoYb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Z5u8um8.gif

All usually from this thread: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14930605

Why would I sell them for more? I needed to sell quite a lot of them quickly and the 2.5 keys price allows it, so I went for the suggested price. Going above the price would have slowed me down significantly.

Lol, whom am I arguing with here again...

http://i.imgur.com/KtrWV0l.jpg - there's 45 ref, not 44 ref

http://i.imgur.com/YaV7a0r.jpg - excuse my laziness. I'll post it whole when the backpack server is up.

http://i.imgur.com/AA8FGg3.jpg - Yeah, but I was selling too many of them per day. So there's no point for this range.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14930605 - What are you talking about? That's my post I was selling them there.

deleteding all of my comments and rephrasing maybe you should find proof other than your own sales because all i see is one outpost link and its your own not to mention since your a donator you get to auto bump every 30 minutes u stopeed it yesterday meaning... 2*7-1*24*30=a whopping 9360 postsyou can say you sold more but they were mostly bulk and for strait ref

and considering how easy it was to sell keys from 6.11 to 6.22 during that time

its an easy opprutnity to make profiit for your few buyers on it i'm sorry but if this trade gets closed and even a mod seems to be conviced by your proof i know that statically its invalid unless you want to do the math yourself and proove me wrong

oooh i didnt see that you sold 70 lets do a ratio now

9360 posts for 70 sold= contragulations for every 133 bumps you get one sale

meaning 133*30/60 you get one sold every 66.5 strait hours on bp.tf seems legit

i guess the numbers could be wrong so let's take a different approach

2.5 weeks on tf2 outpost= 420 hours (lucky you)

420/70= 6 hours? 6 hours to sell an item as its bp.tf price seems a bit extreme

i mean lets take any other item sharp dresser http://bazaar.tf/trade/508385

sold in 1 hour on high end bp.tf i'm sorry but two mathematically prooved theories have you rodds agaisnt you assumnig the mods don't only care about links

sharp dresser is not a valid comparison; it's an item that has a high demand and a lowish price because it's easily craftable. premium gift is comparatively much more expensive. 6 hours is a decent rate to be selling 2.5 key items at.

Exactly, the liquidity distinctly varies with the price itself.

Nice math. Also, it's 2013, 2+0+1+3 = 6; 6 / 2 = 3 -> Half-Life 3 confirmed! ^_^

spam... unnecessary for the suggestion

Here's the whole trade, I had to rotate my monitor for you to make it all in one screenshot :3 -> http://i.imgur.com/btEb6iB.jpg

As long as I'm the seller, it doesn't matter at all. My competition sells usually even for higher prices. And saying that my proofs are invalid because I have autobump thanks to the premium, that's just bs...

i'm not i'm saying that statistically you sell one of the premium upgrades once every 6 hours more then it should take i'd imagine it take 2-3 hours to sell for the regular price 1-1.5 hours when its a quick sell your sales don't help your thoughts at all with this not to mention your unaffected by this why do you care so much? you can still buy/sell them for 2.5 keys i'm simply giving it arange because other salesmen not as lucky as you cannot sell for 2.5 @unsolds list so therefore i think a range from 2.3-2.5 keys is perfectly appropriate

http://i.imgur.com/btEb6iB.jpg for that trade i did more math (that thing you seem to love ^^) 57*4=227 = that one extra ref= 228/6.11= 37.4979 keys quite the good profit right? right?

37.4979/15(the amount of upgrades u sold) is 2.49863115657392 in english

UNDER PRICED as far as i know we don't round up here in bp.tf so thanks for your support ^^ appreciate it (really i do as you can see i have way too much free time this is quite entertaining XD)

~~I didn't sell 15 of them in that trade~~. And stop calling basic math statistics.

lies lies and why not its fun?

Oh, right, my bad.

so you you understand teh pr00f now you yourself are now part of it XD

Upvote, i even bought one for as cheap as 1.5 keys (Not sure if quicksell or what) But its possible to go way lower.

All your unsolds are sold,only 1 trade is unsold because he is an offline trader.

sorry to take a while to respond i think my price is still more than appropriate but its not you i'm blaming for my anger it's really myself

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15318403- 2 key 2 ref my bad doesnt belong in unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15321939 that buyer bought 2 for 5 keys and got 2 ref back 5*6.11= 30.55/2= 15.275 ref per upgrade but the trader had to give 2 ref back so -1 ref for each 14.275 ref total paid per upgrade

14.275/6.11= 2.33 keys per upgrade (smart buyer)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15359453 the owner of the trade (lightice) just closed the trade u found and re opened it but i actually think he sold 1 or 2 even so 2.3-2.5 seems fair

even so i have no unsold proof :/ i'll look for more

its getting alot easier to find cheaper prices on this now...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337218 2 key 2 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337101 2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15343088 2 keys ( a coupon wtf?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15352728 2 keys granted they're quick sells but damn alot of people want these things gone

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15347289 sold 2 key 1 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9863612 unsold 2.5 keys

man i should've wen't for the 2-2.5 now. probs would've been accepted oh well not worth the resuggest even so more under 2.5 solds/2.5 unsolds i know you guys love links :D

Prices aren't based on quicksells.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337101

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15343088

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15352728

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15347289

Those were sold in matter of minutes. (based on the time of creating the trades and the last bump - they weren't even bumped once)

man your just waiting until i mess up aren't you?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15347289 the trade owner still owns the upgrade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15352728 -lol dat history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337101 we'll lets just say that the guy who bought it here

sold it here:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337218http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337218 still within my price range ^^ even the people trying to sell for more aren't selling full price wtf? and the trade along with this one: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15343088 sold it to the same guy

http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/76561198048295241 who currently has both and at this moment isn't doing anything with them probs going to sell em for bp.tf and sell 1 or 2 in like 3 days assuming my price suggestion is correct i guess we'll just have to wait it out XD.

Nop, your suggestion isn't correct. You keep operating only with quick sells.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15347289 - No, he does not own it.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15352728 - Hehe, see, I'm popular now C:

(he seems to tried to sell it for 3 keys, but then he end up needing the 2 keys badly - based on his other trades on tf2op)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15337101 - Yeah, so? Made a quick profit.

It doesn't change anything to what I've just said there. I'm not really getting your point of commenting on those trades.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15347289 - yesh ur right he no longer has it he once again quickselled for two i guess not even 2 key and 1 ref wasn't enough http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/76561198011245979 (notice the two new keys may be a coincidence but.......)

as for this trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14936380 i just wanted to bring up that u sold him the upgrade and he ended up having to sell it for two probably because of lack of offers but idk i just wanted to let you know that ur upgrade seems to be cheaper the more its traded i guess you can call it symbolism XD anyways i'm not adding these quicksells to directly support my price (then it'd be 2-2.5 keys) i'm simply just showing that more people are selling for less than 2.5 than not... whats ur responce to that?

Yeah, he didn't have many offers because he was selling it for 0.5 key than other competitors. That just proves that price of 3 keys is wrong, not that 2.5 keys is off.

The response you asked for - Quick sells are very common, everyone does that time to time. (mostly due to lack of trader's liquidity or bad item's price stability) Quick sells itself have never been considered as proof for lowering the price.

i know that but its different when quicksales are 5:1 than something is wrong

5:1 you say? It's probably just matter what you're looking for. But if you want to do that, let's try to prove me wrong on my counter-proofs first. I posted over 30 solds so far. So you have 150 quick sells for me? Also, I can always bring the rest :>

more proof

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9864168 -14.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15364674 -was selling for 2 keys +1.88 not sure if he actually got it

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15344024 another 2 key quicksell

just thought i'd keep throwing these in as i found them ^^

The second one isn't 2 keys + 1.88 ref, but 2 keys + 2.88 ref. He sold them out quite fast - in an hour! (trade opened 16 hours ago, the buyer opened a trade with them 15 hours ago) That's a counter-proof for you ;-)

wher'd you get that information?

Acctually, i think 2 keys is the best. And making keys back to 2.33 and buds to 28 keys is great, they should bring it back to the old days. PS imma premium and i dun care about unusals so im not that kind 0of guy that wants to unbox unusuals

all ur unsolds are sold

People actually trade you know?

So trades changes if people trade

Do you understand how this works? :)

Easy sale at 2.5 keys

Proof

http://i43.tinypic.com/2118ihc.png -sold 2 at 2.5 keys

There is a lot of counter proof mods don't pass it

shouldn't of been accepted at 2.5 keys a week ago anyway, I've struggled to sell premiums for 2.5 the past several weeks. especially the past week I only got 3 legit buyers and the other 2 were insane F2P's I had to haggle with for an hour.

tbh imo the counter proofs authors seem nervous about a price change. there is obvious price range like come on 2.3-2.5 is accurate.

ranges.

they exist.

its ok for them to exist.

Your first trade, that you opened 2 weeks ago, wasn't successful because you put an untradable upgrade there - that's why the potential customers rather grab one from your competition (saves effort and time). Plus you didn't even bump the trade once. Nvm, I see you opened the trade multiple times. Don't understand why tho.

The other trade you opened a week later, you pretty much said there the opposite of what you're saying here.

Let me quote you: "Sold: 5 /// Shitpack.tf price ✔" (source: [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15213608[/url])

why do you have such strong opposition to this as opposed to other suggestions?

I dunno but its really sad to see him struggle to find a valid point.

inwhich he hasn't really... found one yet.

I've bump all of my trades at least 10 times a day lol.

and I take down my trades when they are invalid, e.g. ran out of stock and cannot supply more, etc. this is just common sense and actually tf2op's rules. I suggest reading them?

yes, I sold 5 gifts as said in my comment above. and yes, 2.5 was the listed bp.tf price. you clearly do not have a point. lol.

Keeping the trade opened if you run out of stock is allowed as long as you stop auto-bumping it and clearly state you're out of stock.

By saying "Shitpack.tf price ✔", you were clearly stating that the price was right.

lol no. that was there for scrubs. not everyone believes shitpack is the price bible.

i've lost a lot of $ from going by bp's prices. recently I had 2 kids call me an idiot for going by bp.tf

call me manipulative, but i put "Shitpack.tf price ✔" to attract mindless attention to people that wont actually research the real price.

a lot of people posting their counter proof are often people who take advantage of any low post prices clearly they especially do not want a drop how about someone who doesn't buy and sell them for their main point of profit post some counter proof of other people if you show me that we'll then i'll stand down until then i'm keeping this up until it's accepted if your counter proof was better this probably would've been closed by now right?

I sold them all through opened market (tf2op) to various people. So my counter proofs (let me remind you once again, it's not even all) are valid as well as any other proofs.

half the ones you showed me were for under 2.5 though and some were sold for hats and other items besides pure you basically explained the market for these things in a nutshell

I didn't sell any for less.They were are sold for my asking price of 2.5 keys / 15.00 ref (I'm still using the 6.00/key ration on certain trades). I accepted two hats instead of 3.00 ref only once there, that's all. So careful with the plural form.

Btw, there're none available under 2.5 keys on bp.tf nor tf2op right now. All under 2.5 keys you can find on those markets are sold out. I found only one available under this price on bazaar.tf.

So you might want to consider this as well :3

because its filled with trades like this

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14724449 lot of people who buy these are not to experienced with trade if u ask me and most of the time there are none on the market so they turn to people like this guy so they could quickly get it thats the problem with pricing this item..

Yeah, but that's how it works. Supply & demand, welcome to economics 101.

no its taking advantage of the market it's a monopoly and its very frowned upon it would seem were classmates.

They are all individual subjects and I doubt there are agreements between those traders.

thats not what meant by it at all people buy his upgrades when there are none other on the market so they haev to turn to him where he can raise the price and they'll still buy it as its the only on the market thast actually what happened to the oil market in america in the 19th century a bit old but ughh yeah i think it complements the situation currently

Any time these go up for low, they are snatched up. Selling the, isn't hard for an item of its value

alright i give in i'm throwing in the sac 3spooky finally made me realise. its the same cycle

player sells premium for less than bp.tf price

players like tohico and puzzled snatch em up

they sell them to unknowing traders that can get for traders this might of been accepted if this was more based on spepculation and caclulation than just links oh we'll i hope i never end up with this situation again gg bp.tf

edit: wow 84% i guess the only people to comment were the terrible people that will do anything to keep up their profits...