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Unusual Sergeant's Drill Hat Kill-a-Watt
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Just bought for one these for a GE Tavish Crown, which was recently decreased to 3+ Buds.


Proof: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14763736


One was sold 4 months ago for a Roboactive Lucky Shot, but I really don't know if that applies now. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12186404 (I threw it in here because I need at least two sales I'm the description.)


The offers on the trade itself varied from 3-3.8 in unusuals. No pure offers though.


This is a more realistic price compared to the recently suggested ones, and it will be 1/1 on the market once I make a trade on Outpost.

    someone forgot to read the rules.

    you need at least 2 sales

      Alright, edited.

        you bought it for g. energy crown and he added a bud putting that sale at 2.2 buds

          Someone bought a Terror Watt Bonk Helm for a Steaming Blokes once, it really doesn't mean it's worth that much. Even though I clearly state what I bought it for in the desc and use it as a statement for my price, I'm mainly basing my suggested price off of offers on the hat itself.

            this seems like a price manipulation since you stated you bought yours for over 3 buds when you didn't. Also, it does matter that you bought it for that since you only have 2 sales shown and your sale isn't counted in the range and the other sale doesn't really mean anything since you didn't say what is sold for, therefore there really isn't any proof of this range. by the way, you stated that you bought yours for a ge. crown, you never mentioned he also added a bud (again seems like a price manipulation). you can't base this price on offers as the rules clearly state that you need to have 2 sales for new unusuals to form your range

              I could have quickbought the Drill, who knows. As for the price manipulation comment, I'm not price manipulating anything. People pay under Bo's all the time and sell them for higher prices. I said I paid a GE Crown for it because that's what I originally intended to buy it for. I was going to offer my GE crown as a 1:1, until I saw her offer on Ethan's trade (a guy who is currently selling a GE crown). I saw it, I thought it was a great offer, added her, and we traded. (And at the time, the GE crown was 5 pure, and she offered the drill and a Bud, which I assume that she thought the drill was worth 4. Her offer still standed after a month, and I took it.)


              As for the proof, I thought I provided two sales, I don't know if the second on is valid or not, I got it from the previous suggestion.

                from what it looks like, the sale was your g.e crown --> kill-a-watt drill + 1 bud (placing the crown at 2.2 buds) even if it were a quick buy, you don't have any other sale to back you up that it is an outlier

                  I've gotten 4+ offers in unusuals on the GE Crown (personally of which I didn't take, due to preferences) that you can count as Sales. (Technically, it would have been a sale if I would have taken any of those 4+ offers, so it's basically relevant to what you're saying.)

                  offers don't matter, it's what they actually sold for that matters, the crown went down only quite recently which means the price is already up to date

                  Regardless of what I bought it for, or honestly of what anyone thinks, no is going to sell a Kill A Watt Drill for 2.2 Buds. It's basically common logic.

                    someone already sold theirs to you for 2.2 buds so it is very possible

                      Someone bought a Burning Flames Beak for 20 keys, and it isn't very possible to get another one for the same price.


                      that sold within a few minutes, that one sold within 1 month

                        I bought a CM Hot Dogger for 3 Buds and 4 keys (back then it was worth 5.5) and the trade was up for a month. What I'm really trying to say is, no one will Kill a Watt Drills for 2.2, unless it was quick bought. Time is almost irrelevant. (To this suggestion). I got mine for "2.2" because the seller was interested in Demoman hats, and she didn't mind adding a Bud to her offer.

                        well anyways until you have 2 sales that prove your range, this range is incorrect

              You need 2 defined sales to set a range. When the sales are discrepant, a third sale is needed to define the outlier: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/3306-new-rule-regarding-unusual-suggestions-two-sales-rule/


              Sales here are at 2 and 8. And your range is 3.5. Not enough proof to justify that.


              Also, for future reference, please don't lie about sales. You said you bought one for a GE tavish when it wasn't even 1:1. That's not valid proof to justify your range.