Suggestion: Circling Peace Sign Charmer's Chapeau at 35.61–39.17 keys

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~39 keys

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~~http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14447972~~

~~-sold for 1.7 buds~~

Old proof that actually had a value of around 34-35 keys, should be disregarded IMO. Especially seeing as the same hat now has had offers of 38 keys within a couple of days and currently has 2 bud pure offers within the past week. See links below

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14775232 45ish days ago - 38 keys = 2 buds at the time

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15515551 = 2 buds declined (8th offer down)

IMO a much more current indication of price than an old 1.8 sale being used to apply old buds prices to current pricing...

butman's other proof seems ok as far as I can tell, hope thats ok for me to use again :)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14241478

-sold for 2 buds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14603808

-sold for nnb nappers + bud + sweets (~2.2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15336788

-added a peace phantom for bubbling crones (~2.2)

Low end 2 because you can expect to get offers of 2 pure and also proof of 2 bud buyout/sale

High 2.2 because you can't find 2.3+ offers or sales right now.

Well if the price drops most people offering 2 buds pure will want to retract their offer and lower it since this price vote will minimize their profit margin.

What does that have to do with the suggestion mate?

Oh look someone made a really hard work on the proof !

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14775232

-35-38 keys when buds were around 20 (1 + 0.5 + 0.3 = 1.8) which is still in my suggested range

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15515551

-2 buds offer which is still in my suggested range again

And again 1.7 isn't that far from 2 to be considered an outlier

Again you are doing a load of maths based on old buds prices but not applying common sense to what is actually available.

As stated the evidence you are trying to justify 1.7 with is so old its actually worth more than 2 buds after prices fluctuate. You seem to believe this makes it good proof that you can expect to buy a peace charmer for around 27 keys today, which isnt the case.

Dont disagree with 2 buds 'its in my range'.

Would you like me to reword the proof that I dont have a problem with so I'm not 'stealing'?

'Well done and thanks butman for the other decent proof!' Should have said that last night mate in OP. Sorry, my tiredness made me all rude.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/7-how-to-create-a-good-unusual-price-suggestion/

"• ✖ DO NOT use outdated proof. How old is outdated? That can vary from unusual to unusual, depending on how rare it is and how often it is traded. A good length of time is 1 month. Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible."

This is what i mean by a 1 month old sale is not ancient

'Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible.'

Your 1.7 proof is 45 days old and just shows exactly why old proof is bad

*EDIT 51 days actually

45 days sale is still new though

Unusuals aren't normal items...you do realise there is only 3 peace charmers in the market which means there wouldn't be a lot of sales during 1 month.

of course I realise that, I'm selling one!

You do realise you can't buy this for 1.7 buds? You do realise your low range is innacurate to the current market and is based on old bud prices? You do realise this is a pricing site based on the current market?

Why link me a rule saying 'Try not to provide proof older than 1 month if at all possible.' and then say 45 days IS STILL NEW?

its actually says "if at all possible" of course there is older sales but i didn't list them because they are older than 1 month (don't say the 1.7 is older that 1 month again because its around that)

and a 0.3 loss won't kill you

having a wrong suggestion won't kill you.

Just to throw another one in, buds were 19-20 at the time I got a 38 key offer. 38 keys is not 1.8 buds. Thanks for that nice bit of maths though.

yes it is...if the offer is in keys you check the buds price back then...thats how its done here even if you don't like it

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14775232 Offer = Hani :D Oct 4th, 2013 3:02pm

Earbud price back then on Wed October 02 2013 23.53.04 = 19 keys

Wed 5th October 22:36:02 = 18-19 keys

'check the buds price back then thats how its done here even if you don't like it '

so its 2 buds and its in the range

thats why i included it. 2 buds was possible back then and still is being offered/taken/considered now.

1.7 is not current because although it was possible for me to get one 50 days ago, its not possible NOW or being considered or taken. For a number of reasons, such as buds falling. The 38 keys offer just highlights the fact that even though i did get it for 1.7, there were still buyers at 2 buds even then and the guy i got it from could have got more.

Pls, apply evidence to market and common sense.

common sense says 1.7-2-2.2 sales should be ranged 1.7-2.2

and 1.7 is not older than the current price which is 3 months old

and its not ancient been 50 days old the tip i brought to you says that the BEST length of time is 1 month this is the right logic

no, common sense says that a current pricecheck should be currently accurate, and 1.7 IS NOT CURRENTLY ACCURATE. Jeeeeeeeeeeeez I am sick of trying to make you understand this.

hurrdurr i found a link saying 1.7 buds it must be accurate. No, this is where we apply some common sense! Can you buy one for 27 keys? Hello? Can you buy one for 27 keys? I've asked this 3 times now and you just keep saying u found some 50 day old link WHEN 1.7 BUDS WAS 34ish Keys. pls pls pls brain.

I'm really struggling to think why you think you could go and buy one for 1.7 buds right now, other than your looking at an old link. Unless your idea of an accurate pricechek to the current market is getting a bunch of sales, doing some maths and BAM 'u must sell me ur peace charmer for 27 keys, pls'

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