Suggestion: Earbuds at 18–20 keys

oh god my unusuals will fall even more :/ not sure about 20 yet, but i guess within 12 hours it will be accurate, time to bump up my buying price again

Then we'll just have to ajust the price of unusuals.

and i bought a bud at 18 keys

well if buds are rising this fast, suggestions will be pretty much messed up within a day, especially on high tier hats. I updated the scorching noh to 69 buds, and its now 64

and my own unusual gibus will probably fall like 6-7 buds if this passes :/

~~A buyer at 19- http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15816206~~

Same trade posted below

Still upgoat

why the hell are people stocking up on buds now?

Well i don't think there are enough proofs for the 20 atm , i would like to see another sugg at 19 , or 19-20 if there are enough proofs for the 20 , and btw now its hard or lets say impossible to find sellers at 18 , so there is no need to include it in the range.

I saw you were selling for 20, have you had any success?

oh, and, I'm actually keeping 18 in the range given that a large portion of the recent sales are still 18, and there are a few buyers + it's better to be conservative than jumping the gun.

not yet .

and btw found 2 buyers at 19

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15808635

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15816206

Still not sure, I'll probably resuggest later at 19-20 if necessary, but this seems doable for now-

Another Buyer at 19 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15816658

Sold in less than 4 minutes at 19.3 :

http://img.techpowerup.org/131118/403-20131119-055548.png

Update, another buyer at 19 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15810588

#RiseOfTheBuds

Good proof! Upvote

Definitely needs more proof for 20, but there is nice proof for 18 c;

I think they should be atleast 16-16.5

well what do you know! they are more than 16-16.5!

That was expectable, but it's still a bit shocking

Holy sh*t

18-19 keys looks more like the range, but nevertheless amazing proof.

I cant really upvote the 20, but if you copy this and relist at 18 flat or maybe 18-19 I would be more than happy to change.

EDIT: I think I may just stay neutral until I do a bit of research on this.

"New updated rule states that minimum change is 2 keys to override the 3 days cooldown."

Keeping the price at 17 is NOT a good idea. I do believe, however, that there's quite a lack of proof at 20, but I do need to include it in the range in order to update the price.

holy shit what

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15816206

Here's a guy buying for 19, hope this helps!

okay, thanks

Why Pyroman, WHY!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15816658

Oh come on pyroman, stop taking all the EASY suggestions. Also, what the hell is with the sudden panic in bud prices? lol

The same thing that happened with the BMOC. The lemmings saw a green arrow and started running towards a cliff.

For halloween buds always drop because players all dump their buds for keys to uncrate the newer effects, halloween is over so normally goes back up, happens every year (though this rise was probably long overdue, i was selling at 17 relatively easily since last week)

Also the bmoc rose last year only because of a mass manipulation :P

http://tf2spreadsheet.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/bmoc-and-ebeneezer-pricing.html

Well Halloween is over so keys aren't being used as much for uncrating...Buds mainly dropped for a hoarding of keys for Unusual halloween effect chances. Expected them to rise back up but not this early, was thinking more around December...shoulda nabbed a pair when I had a chance at 16 ;~;

This is gonna rape everyone's backpack xD

And kill everyone who has alot of unusuals xD

15 keys

NOT FAIR TOO NOOBS

>implying "noobs"/poor people are going to buy earbuds.

Also, *to.

Wow that's a giant jump i know i shouldn't complain since i didn't trade well and you know. (my opinion)

I'm sorry for being rude but people are stupid, 1 day ago you could get buds even as low as 15.5 keys, now people are buying them at 18 keys http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15795341

This economy is like the stock market, flucuates at a moment's notice. Miss a day watching trends and you could miss a serious profit or get a strong net loss if you didnt sell some unwanted things before hype dies.

I still believe that Active suggestions have the power to influence the market, for example I would like to know if the 18 keys guy is an example to justify this suggestion, or that if that guy made up his buy price justified on the existence of this current suggestion, only he know, but more likely he's betting that this will get accepeted and try to resell the buds for 20 keys

Actually you couldn't get buds for 15.5 keys yesterday. I remember all the ones for 16 keys sold out around 10-20 mins after Pyroman put up the 16-16.5 keys suggestion, and adding around 50 people on Outpost. I was lucky to snag 10 for that price. Anyways, I digress. I don't see how it's stupid.

I managed to sell about 5 buds for 20 keys each in 5 hours, you can use my trade in outpost as proof (im in school now)

Found it - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15811175

Okay, thanks

I actually have another trade selling buds on my outpost, and you can see from the history of the buds that some are sold. Up vote btw

Just bought 5 buds for 20 keys ea, and 9 buds for 18-19! Upvote

There's little logical reason for keys to be stocked up atm, given 1. Halloween is over, 2. Keys themselves have stagnated in their rise against ref, 3. Earbuds have reached a "Support Level" of 17 keys defiantly, signalling the bottom-end of a dip, 4. The new expansion of unusuals and their owners are accepting Earbuds, and the explosion of unusuals boosted the unusual sector of TF2 trade, making buds, the main form of transactions for high-tier trading, rise in tandem. If the whole cake grows, each piece of the cake grows too.

or simply just people know that any suggestion to raise the buds will get accepted so they are stocking to be prepared against the unstoppable, people buying buds now for 18-20 are thinking more of buds being 24-26keys again than about complex derivations and repercussions of buying buds at that price

People normally mistake drastic price changes' cause to be Bp.tf's price manipulation. Buds are rising at this time for a reason, like dream hatter said, because of the recent Halloween update.

these complex derivations are the underlying explanations of human behaviour, not the reason driving them

so you are telling me that people buy buds in order to buy unusuals and viceversa, they are selling unusuals for keys and then buying buds with those keys? I agree with that using buds as currency makes you save space of your inventory, but I don't think that is what are making people buying buds for almost 3 keys above the current price, is more about trying to resell them for more later on, something you didn't consider. So I guess that will be: 5. Expecting to get profits

Not to be rude but you don't seem to be in unusual trading atm, there are many, many traders who ask for keys for their unusuals, especially those with many - E.g tehnublet . That is one reason, not the only reason, why buds are still being favoured and rising

yeah they ask for keys, so if you sell the unusual for keys why overpaying for buds? Not to be rude but you still denying the fact that people are overpaying for buds because they expect a fututre profit. So you are paying 3 keys extra just to save space? I think the real reason relies on seeing buds as an investment rather than a space saving item

I didnt deny it, it is one of the underlying facts that drive EVERYTHING in the economy, the 4 added reasons are the main drive to break out of the downturn

Rise my little buds, rise!

RISE LIKE A ROCKET!

i like this update i have 7 buds and now buds are rising bought each one for 16 ;3

Can't believe I just bought a pair of buds for 18 keys and 5 ref, they are so hard to get now with all this hype. Upvote.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11839932

Uhhh I think my trade should explain everything... hahaha

3 "adds for 18 keys" in 3 hours

Up Vote

[IMG] http://i.imgur.com/aPMIGzd.png [/IMG] <one sold at 20

19 was 2fast2quick

now I have no buds :(

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15808635

Buying for 19 keys

I bought at 19, I couldn't get any at 18. Neutral for now, will probably upvote soon.

It took me like 15 mins to buy 3buds at 17keys each. Maybe I was lucky?

Let the price stabilize before you raise the budprice every hour!!!!

Huggy you didn't know? Apparently drastic increases in price are perfectly fine because the operators of the site make money instead of lose it. As long as we can just keep upvoting the price, people will just buy as many as possible to resell them in 2 hours for a profit (When the price increases again). People wonder why some people absolutely hate this website... let's accept 3 price suggestions for a currency item, not even 24 hours apart. SMART! This isn't making buds more unstable... nah it's "stablizing" them. Fools....at this rate, buds will pop all over again but this time fall 8 keys in 1 day.

Ive been buying for 16 keys and selling for 17 keys for well over a week now (pretty easily). Just blind followers of bp kept selling at 16 keys :P

Its just easy to explain why this is happening. Everyone think that the bud only will rise after the last update. So the buyers think to buy now. They are willing to buy at a higher price cause they think the bud will gonna be higher then they buy the bud for. So they buy them now for 20 keys and they expect that it will rise to 24 keys so 4 keys profit. And that is just how the tf2 unusual economy works

For halloween buds always drop because players all dump their buds for keys to uncrate the newer effects, halloween is over so it should go back up.

Ive been buying for 16 keys and selling for 17 keys for well over a week now. Just blind followers of bp kept selling at 16 keys :P