Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 6.22–6.33 ref

The point of backpack.tf is to attempt to demonstrate real time values of items. The fact that some of these trades date back as far as November 16th (12 days ago) does not at all aide in demonstrating the value of keys. Anyone can cherry pick links from over a week ago, and most likely could gather over 100 showing keys being sold at 6.11 refined, but that does not mean its the most commonly traded price.

*Correction

Credit goes to KoDoRiN and Pyroman. Trollerai just copy and pasted.

Also I expected better from a blue belt than using week old proof and not using my 6.22 buyers that are outdated from my last suggestion. I thought you would actually get fresh proof. Count me disappointed.

you're crazy then

~~Owns: 320 - Downvote for price manipulation~~

Tbh, was waiting for Pyroman to do this, but you work too

In my experience, 6.22 sells really fast. If you list a key for 6.22 on the Classifieds, you get swarmed with adds. if it were up to me, 6.22 wouldn't be in range at all, but I guess it's still possible on some trade servers, and they appear on the Classifieds every now and then. Upvote.

Bought several keys over the past week for 6.11 (mainly on Trade servers will admit). Don't seen why the price needs adjusted as of now.

Ref back in the old days was hard to get i think...

nope, idling was easier. there simply was no bp.tf to raise price

Before we had carders supply massive amounts of cheap Stolen keys in our economy and metal wasnt useless. No one crafts anymore, valve introduces new things every bloody month making people unbox and mostly getting metal in return, ie using their key and getting metal.

Idling back then wasnt done as much as it was before the update.

If there is valid proof to price it up then it isnt bp's problem it's the users which need to stop paying that much :P

Well the only time people even craft metal together is for new low craft #s anymore...we need better metal sinks. Like, it would be nice if you could re-craft chem sets, take all the strange festive ones, mix two together with I dunno, 4-6 ref? And make a new chem set of it or something, giving a chance for maybe a better chem set output too.

It would be a good idea but valve seems to be trying to increase the "black market" value of keys to be similar to their store.

Keys before were like 1.25$ then they hammered down on carders depleting our supply of cheap keys then making everything clean. Before people had a reason to craft because of the dirty/clean hats but valve removed that.

Metal now does nothing but to buy keys and low crafts.

Sadly enough, well maybe valve will listen to the ideas of metal sinks, and maybe I should throw up a poll or something with the chem set idea to see if it tries sparking something. It's rather lame having useless things like those sitting about, no one wants them and no one will use them because it's just cheaper to buy the strange you want instead.

Also maybe try posting my idea of being able to CHOOSE the names of strange levels you unlock...I mean who doesn't wanna keep their degreaser as face-melting with 3k kills.

metal still main currency for unique items, that you can not sell on market. And lookslike that's one and only role of this today. Valve even deleted polycount sets effects, so people not crafting fez with 4 refs anymore.

not even going to arguing here, there were enought disputs for me 1 year ago, now i'm just silently look at this situation. Now there are almost no hope for new traders who not ready to invest real world money in game.

you sound like you miss the criminally obtained keys :)

as far as metal, i'm not ready to write it off yet. existing metal may be worth less again, but incoming metal is at an all time low since cheap idling is dead and there are many new uses for weapons now (collectors, chem kits, etc.) - i expect crafting weapons to metal is going to slow down a little.

finally i'm still a firm believer that crafting is not dead. there are many players who don't nickle and dime their backpacks no matter how much the community pushes them to. and being able to create an item without any trading has advantages...

only 365 days ago

Use the forums if you want to opine; price suggestions aren't your blog

That goes for all replies to this comment chain as well

http://puu.sh/5vNV0.png 6.33

http://puu.sh/5vNKC.png 6.44

http://puu.sh/5vNKT.png 6.44

upvote :)

http://puu.sh/5vTnD.jpg http://puu.sh/5vTrI.png sold more 4 keys for 6.44

for me it seems the price should be even higher

Upboat. I buy keys for 6.33 refined. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13804538

I've only bought maybe 4 in a few days.

I actually got scared a bit when after a long time I just sold one key for 6.22 and got 4 adds in such a short time. Thought that there would have been more adds, but happened to get lucky.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52969b1f4cd7b84d3f8b456b There was one not even a day ago, Kodorin has some showing that 6.22 seems to be a more commonly traded price in the comments with 6.33 kinda iffy so to say.

Repeating what i said to someone else.

Idling back then wasnt done as much as it was before the update.

If there is valid proof to price it up then it isnt bp's problem it's the users which need to stop paying that much :P

He's right.

I never believed the reason keys were this high was because of "refined going down", i think it's just that people are willing to pay a scrap extra above the price because keys can be really damn useful. ( opening crates, buying/selling games, getting really good misc items such as the all-father and the earbuds ).

If people are willing to pay 6.22/6.33 for a scrap: It's their own problem; sorry to say it, but it probably wont change until keys get around 8 ref.

Anyways, I think the proof here is good. Dislike me all you want, but i think this flat key price is bugging me a little.

"If people are willing to pay 6.22/6.33 for a scrap: It's their own problem; sorry to say it, but it probably wont change until keys get around 8 ref."

i remember when that was said about 6 ref :)

wrong, read this: http://one-crate-per-week.tumblr.com/post/49723737022/week-11

Well, before the admin of Spreadsheet was around, keys stood at 2.33-2.66 for more than a year and no one had an issue with it. Then, he was caught and people stopped trusting it and this site came out of nowhere. Now, we have a bunch of people who care about backpack value, rep for a CHANCE to win a raffle here, and profit a lot more than just trading. Rather pathetic to have an in-game mechanic turn a game into a contest for rich people. :P

I was selling for 6.33 even 2 weeks ago, and getting a lot of sales. I was even buying for 6! Can't tell if people were that desperate for keys or just stupid. I set an asking price for a joke to try and make myself immune to inflation, but surprisingly sold a lot of keys for 6.33

i agree w/ you .-.

And I agree with you agreeing with him. But The Pacific Brocean is right.

Well said!

Correct, though the admins don't give a damn.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/5888623 - 6.33 if 5+ actually 5.22 and 5/33 if buying 5+

rest looks fine.

Doesn't own enough. Downvote.

All joking aside I am not voting, staying neutral.

im with ya

I must say that key flipping is a profitable business. For better or worse, prices will continue to rise. Best take part in it and get what you can.

Use the forums if you want to opine; price suggestions aren't your blog

Downvote, not enough proof supporting 6.33, most of your proof is supporting market price

Got any counter proof? It may be too early for 6.33 to be in range

ref is pretty much useless other than crafting,even so it still couldnt beat profit by uncrating. and i don't know why would i want to benefit selling keys for higher price. just let those seller do their thing. play more, trade less, let them fu*ked up

Bp.tf is supposed to represent the market. I suggest you try to tell people to stop buying keys for higher because you can't just refuse the fact that people are willing to buy keys for higher and not properly reflect the price.

Exactly. Everyone knows that but I don't think you can put an end to that thinking.

I can copy and paste too. :D

"I honestly believe 6.22 flat is a much better price for keys right now and here is why:

Sales will always happen outside the range of backpack.tf's price in both directions no matter what. With this in mind, [6.22-6.33] suggests that sales also happen at [6.11 and 6.44]. However, this is no[t] the case. [While 6.11 does still happen regularly, there is no proof that 6.44 is happening as often.]

6.22 flat, on the other hand, seems to fit the current market pretty well. It suggests that sales happen at 6.11 and 6.33 but just not as often as 6.22.

This is a possible reason why 6.22 is a better price for keys than [6.22]-6.33. (Of course the prices are up to the moderators to accept.)

Feel free to give me 9001 dislikes for [dis]agreeing to a raise of the key prices."

Anything not inside brackets I copied off my comment on the 6.22 suggestion.

i dont know about others but here is my trade i sold key at 6.33 so way easy 2 or 3 people added me within afew min after i made the trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15992868

I mean, I've been buying keys for 5.66 from one person for a while, but I guess if you guys want to inflate the value of the key, by all means go ahead. :/

Of your 125 6.22 buyer links, only 24 are 3 days old or newer, and also still open

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15993402

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16005934

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16020106

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15996620

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15979676

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16012557

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16018424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15990098

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15977762

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15979140

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15999641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16010270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15976210

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16016126

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16015088

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15973452

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16007765

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16004639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15909846

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15988278

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13943808

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15982243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15989843

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16021148

Of your 125 6.22 buyer links, 14 are 3 days old or newer, and are closed;

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16021516

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16008862

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16008508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16001130

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16020517

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15999385

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16022730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16023041

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16000217

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16022936

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16020638

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16005234

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15977562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16006268

Of your 6.22 buyer links, several are duplicates. Given the shoddy quality of these links, there is no point in leaving this suggestion open for longer.

Multiple users have already reported you for making subpar, poorly proofed suggestions. I expect someone who has made so many suggestions to make a better effort, especially with something as important as keys.

Please review the site rules before continuing to make suggestions; http://backpack.tf/vote?showrules=1