Suggestion: Earbuds at 17–17.5 keys

First thing I got to say about this is get more recent proof. I'm seeing a whole bunch of proof that is 4, even 5+ days old. Those trades are completely irrelevant at this point in time.

Also, unbumped/poorly bumped trades don't count.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16318929 was gifted

Ah didn't catch that but can't change it now.

Dat MGQ :D

http://i.imgur.com/gTdh39r.jpg Bunch of sales rangeing from 17-17.5

Upvote

nice proof, upvote

This guy selling buds at 17keys each

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16371498[/url]

Upvote

Good luck! Made a 17.5 one, prefer 17.5 over 17-17.5 since 17 is more a quicksale.

Also, some of your 17.5 is almost a week old.

Agreed. Downvote on this one, upvote on yours. There is not enough proof to justify 17, you're right in that it is a quicksale.

Here's some successful buyers to support your low end

BUYERS

Buyers 17keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16289954 <-- Bought 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16315631 <-- Has 4buds in BP

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16226378 <-- Has willing seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16226378 <--Has willing seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16304041 <--Has willing seller(s)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16287041 <-- Offer of 17.5key

sweet thanks!

Update

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16333685 17 keys

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9935743 17 keys 2 ref selling 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16334854 17 keys 2 ref selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16334255 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16333246 17 keys 3 ref (4 hours unsold)

Classifieds:

http://i.imgur.com/ZWigA13.png

http://i.imgur.com/ZXKPmyw.png

Full page of sellers under 17.5 keys

All proof below from T G Borris from another bud suggestion. I just re-posted it here, as it is applicable as supporting proof in this suggestion.

Sellers/sold 17keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15849968

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16187148

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16184788

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16204036

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16092167

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16301095

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16313466(poorly bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16304154 <-- Sold all fast (has many keys no buds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16299434 <-- No longer has bud (sold!?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16248207(poorly bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16313466

Sellers/sold <17.5keys But >17keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16299650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16328057

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16328680

Sellers/sold 17.5keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16327241

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16329442

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16317493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16328522

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16331045

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16211174

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16233008

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16299067

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16321515

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15991530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16321973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16331369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15820963

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16308117

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16290235

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14648748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16309075

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16181335

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16325186

Sellers/sold <18keys but >17.5keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16211094 <-- Sold 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14296366 <-- sold atleast 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16290675

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16260492 <-- Offer of 17keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16292538

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14663837

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16290942

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16283738 <-- sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16269483 <-- Willing to go down to 17 (Not marked on Steamrep, banned for breakning rule on outpost)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16220119 <-- poorly bubmped

BUYERS

Buyers 17keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13385332

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16256377

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16091280

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16289954 <-- Bought 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16315631 <-- Has 4buds in BP

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16226378 <-- Has willing seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16331418

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16226378 <--Has willing seller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16304041 <--Has willing seller(s)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15476240 <-- No longer buying

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16328020

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16287041 <-- Offer of 17.5key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15883370

17key +1ref http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12331697 <-- Multiple adds recently

thanks for the help!

Update #2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16342773 15 keys (outlier)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16337588 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16337601 17 keys sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16337963 17 keys Sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16339517 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16339965 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16338955 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16340011 17 keys selling 4 (unbumped though)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16341439 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16341657 17 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16344807 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16345325 17 keys Sold 2/4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16348369 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16346232 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16338311 17 keys 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16345866 17 keys 1.33 ref sold at least 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16338471 17 keys 2 ref sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16342678 17 keys 2 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16338179 17. 5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16340234 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16348262 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16346794 17.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16344447 17.5 keys (unsold 4 hours)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16341354 17.5 keys selling 3 ( unsold 7 hours)

Update #3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16358832 16 keys (quicksell)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16366341 16 keys sold 2 (quicksell)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16369779 17 keys

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9937199 17 keys

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9937239 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16356706 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16356942 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16357153 17 keys sold 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16357730 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16358965 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16359278 17 keys Has over 100 in backpack no stated limit on how many are being sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16360870 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361354 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361660 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361956 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16364521 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16365843 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16350074 17 keys selling 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16351258 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16353583 17 keys sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16356666 17 keys 1 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/581317 17 keys 1 ref selling 4

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9936833 17 keys 1 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/581760 17 keys 2 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16365231 17 keys 2 ref selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16365547 17 keys 2 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16354400 17 keys 3 ref selling 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16356726 17 keys 3 ref selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16356755 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16358287 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16361435 17 keys 3 ref (unsold)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9937787 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16363260 17 keys 3 ref sold 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16365032 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16365224 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16366328 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16366508 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16352080 17 keys 3 ref selling 6

Update #4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16396514 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16372439 17 keys

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9938565 17 keys selling 8

http://bazaar.tf/trade/582373 17 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16372959 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16374549 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16380657 17 keys selling 7

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16380863 17 keys selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16382244 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16384643 17 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385162 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385381 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385387 17 keys selling 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16386857 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387051 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387212 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387674 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387733 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16388103 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16388720 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16389813 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16389892 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16390126 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16390426 17 keys

http://bazaar.tf/trade/583993 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16395005 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16394618 17 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16372138 17 keys 1 ref selling 9

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16377717 17 keys 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16374133 17 keys 2 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/582519 17 keys 2 ref selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16373589 17 keys 3 ref

http://bazaar.tf/trade/582418 17 keys 3 ref selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16375307 17 keys 3 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9939159 17 keys 2 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16372275 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16373870 17 keys 3 ref selling 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16374038 17 keys 3 ref selling 3

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9938824 17 keys 3 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9939123 17 keys 3 ref selling 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16381566 17 keys 3 ref

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9939488 17.5 keys selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16386576 17.5 keys

http://bazaar.tf/trade/583357 17 keys 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385700 17 keys 3 ref selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387359 17 keys 3 ref selling 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16389081 17 keys 3 ref selling 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16394174 17 keys 3 ref selling 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16392905 17 keys 3 ref

Unsolds at 18 (all buds still in their backpacks if you check)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16373311 18 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16373695 selling 8.... 17 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16374310 selling 3… 17 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16375041 selling 3…. 16 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16375116 16 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16376102 15 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16377248 14 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16378461 12 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16379325 12 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16379809 11 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16379847 selling 2…. 11 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16383069 selling 2…. 9 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16384528 selling 2…. 8 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16384660 selling 2…. 8 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16384698 8 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385883 7 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16386776 6 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16386746 6 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16388150 5 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16388776 5 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16388891 selling 2…. 5 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16389983 selling 2…5 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16390249 4 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16390737 selling 3… 4 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16392506 selling 3…. 3 hours unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16391789 selling 2… 3 hours unsold

sold 2 for 18 :3

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v4bz1lp84vcm8q5/Screenshot%202013-12-13%2011.56.05.png

gay windows reskin xD but I would consider 18keys lucky since there are so many sellers and not enough buyers for this amount. The few buyers for 18 are people with alot of keys and dont care for a small loss or people who just want a bud and are not upto date with the bud fluctuation

lol it's a nice dark/blue theme

far better than to have...stock,yuck :P

anyhow said guy seemed to have bought the buds for himself and his friend,and well we commented the bud drop,so he was well aware where they are going ^^

yaush and i have to inform you again too :P

sold anotha for 18 https://www.dropbox.com/s/vl2u0po6veyd2gr/Screenshot%202013-12-14%2017.02.07.png

Has 100+buds, selling them for 17keys each http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16359278

wow thanks for the proof!

I prefer this suggestion over the other one. Lots of sellers for 17 keys each nowadays. Also, with the support links, it definitely proves this is the current bud range.

Rising the boat up one step higher.

I prefer this one too.. 17.5 flat looks too big

WOW, Shocked. I sold 36 tod's for a bud and turned around and sold instantly for 18 keys.

http://i.imgur.com/PMA7CHu.jpg

Well, you have been lucky. 2 or 3 days ago I had problems to get more than 17 keys and 1 or 2 ref with autobump and listing them on classifieds too.

I don't say that I was lucky since i got the keys 10 hours before the suggestion was active. Maybe 18 keys is still doable, but range needs to be expanded?

My problem here is, did the person making the suggestion try to find actual sales at 18 keys? Because he had ZERO successful trades at 18 keys while people in this suggestion thread are providing evidence at 18 keys. Something is wrong if he could not find 1 successful sale.

upvote proof seems about right!

Please, when Listing trades by me (17 keys and 2 ref) do not list the trade for the same item from Bazaar as well as Outpost its just a repeat (there is also a classified but you can't find the closed ads there).

idk if i'm lucky or - 3rd bud for 18

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vl2u0po6veyd2gr/Screenshot%202013-12-14%2017.02.07.png

Lucky, many people selling at a flat 17 on classifieds as well

I will say this. 18 keys was easier before the suggestion was made implying that active suggestions have an influence on market trends. This is why people do not vote on stock prices.

People effectively do vote on stock prices. everyone knows the open bids of the market players (in the NYSE and NASDAQ) and therefor can decide to bid higher or lower. In this way people are "voting" on the price.

Since there is no central market where tf2 goods are traded in a public offer/bid manner there is no other way to determine market price other than voting or an automated system such as trade.tf to determine what people are willing to pay or sell for.

A bid/ask spread is not a vote on the price. Don't confuse the two.

I was thinking about what you said and I believe you may have a good idea. A central market place similar to the steam market (or even the stock exchanges) would provide the best place for increased accuracy in prices and the speed that information is delivered (eh hmm...tf finance). They are more transparent of sale prices and fluctuate based on supply and demand. Voting is inefficient and can be inaccurate, hence why stock prices are not based on votes but the supply and demand of that stock (in simplified terms).

sold my last one

12 keys + gold bills

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sewj6utib11a8q5/Screenshot%202013-12-14%2020.49.05.png

yikes

that`s called overpay in items pal

Bills are still considered pure and its easily worth 6 keys since its painted Gold.

I can as said sell the bills for 6 keys with ease. Anyone ever owning a bills should know that

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16394327 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16393597 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16387704 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16383828 buyer at 19 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16366334 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16363695 was selling a SF Knife for one (19-20 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16363426 was selling 2 Bacon Greases for a bud (18 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16362117 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16360701 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16353709 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16350725 buyer at 18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16348450 buyer at 18 keys

http://i.imgur.com/lYzvzPZ.png My sell the other day. Sold 3 for 18 keys each with only having them up for a few hours.

awesome 200+links vs 13 links. The range should definitely be 17-18 XDXDXDXDXDXD *facepalm

Mostly because the people that pay 18 don't really need to put up buy ads right now.

I sold 3 recently under a few hours for 17 keys + 3 ref :P

Had offers of 18.5 in items too. Buyers at 18 are alot more significant than sellers which sell out quite fast :P

What is this supposed to mean?