I had a HUGE text replying to you, but i had problem and i had to restart, i will try to say the same thing..

So lets recapitulate some basic knowledge, there are 2 types of sales(generally talking):

►Selling: as the name says, its the normal way of trading an item for a pure payment, generally for its real price, or by other items which usually require an overpay.

►Quick selling: trying to quickly get rid of an item, for an amount appealing to the customers, usually way cheaper! This type of trade is focused on how fast the owner sells the item, and not on how much payment is received.

►(any other type of trade is discarded as it does not interfere with the current topic)

I think that we are both very clear when it comes to these definitions.

Now about the price lowering proposal:

When you want to lower the price of something, or you just think that it is too high, you have to show some proof in order to lower it. And you were asking ME about some counterproof when you have no proof that the price should be lowered.

My other comments completely wiped out any attempt of "proof" that you tried to make...but since it was not quite clear to you, i will explain the same reason again, but now applied to the NEW trade posts that you just published.

First of all lets define "proof", so that unlike the last time, you have no doubts about the points im making. A proof or various proofs, are a number of trades that show that an item HAS to be sold for a cheaper price, otherwise it is too difficult to sell it.

What you showed this time were 5 links. 2 juju's being sold at 16 keys, and 2 juju's being sold at 17 keys (lets discard the one being sold at "backpack.tf" price)

When you want to use links as proofs, you cannot show quick selling items. It is quite absurd that someone who has had 131 accepted price changes in the past does this...simply proves how weak and manipulative the market is!

Well, on those 5 links, 1 of those trades is a quick selling item, namely one of the 16 keys trades. Proving once again, that you want to FORCE the price down, by trying to mislead other people into believing that the item is for SALE at that price, when it is a mere QUICK SALE!

and that is also applied to the links that you first posted.

Furthermore, please try learn to something out of this, when you said:

"why wouldn't the 17.5 (you even say it yourself that it's high) be valid proof for adding. I need to add proof that 17.5 should be removed from the range."

I feel deeply sad and disappointed that i have to tell you this myself, but there is no such thing as a "range" or a "ranged price".

Every item in the game has an exact price, in ref.

For example: when the price of an item converted from ref to keys is "1.39849 keys", they simply display the price as "1-2 keys" instead of using all of those decimal numbers. So that the players/traders have an IDEA of the price.

That does not mean in any way that the item should be sold for 2 keys!

If you are dealing with an item, more than the general idea about the price you have to know its exact price! There are many ways to know that, but here in backpack.tf for example if you hover the price with your mouse, you can see the exact price IN REF of any item.

Talking about the Juju, the exact price in Ref is 108.55. In keys that is 16,9 keys.

so instead of publishing the "16,9" keys, they displayed "16.5-17-5" to give the idea of the price. Once again, it does not mean that the item should be sold at 17.5 IN ANY WAY because that is 0.6 keys above the price!

So if someone is creating a trade and asking for 17.5, you cannot use that link to prove that the item is expensive, because you have to show trades where the item is being sold at its real price, not for +0.6 keys than its real price.

And that is why trades that are asking 17.5 keys for a juju shouldnt be on a page where you are trying to make the price drop. If this time you didnt understand why 17.5 trades shouldnt be discussed here, i dont know what else to tell you...

Recapitulating, you didnt prove that the price should drop, among the real juju's trades that you posted, you showed a bunch of quick trades trying to give off the idea that people are desperate to sell them for cheaper prices, when that is not true. You also showed a couple of 17.5 keys trades that shouldnt even be here, we should be discussing the real price, not showing trades where the price is above the real price. And as far as i can see, Juju's are being sold between 16 keys and 16.9 keys, which is their price, people sometimes go for 16 to easy up the calculations...

So i dont have to give you any counterproof, because your "forced proofs" prove nothing. If the price eventually drops, that just proves how the market is handled by player's personal intentions.

PS: i dont think i have to reply your other comment.