Suggestion: Non-Craftable Nice Winter Crate Key 2013 at 1 key

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~7 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Fri, 10 Jan 14 03:50:10 +0000 by Elsa Payaso.

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These keys have expired (turned into regular keys) and nice winter crates can be no longer opened. Proof in this case should not be necessary.

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Spooky%20Key/Tradable/Non-Craftable

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Eerie%20Key/Tradable/Craftable

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Fall%20Key/Tradable/Craftable

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Scorched%20Key/Tradable/Craftable

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Naughty%20Winter%20Crate%20Key/Tradable/Craftable

TF2OP does not support searching these keys specifically.

This situation is no different than:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/509d35c2ba25363010000002

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/505f2a029ae21a3639000000

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/508729be49d7b8ce4c000040

Yes it should. Naughty and Nice keys remain existing as long as you don't boot tf2. Therefore there is still a market for these items and you need to support your claim with valid proof.

Let me explain a thing

When Naughty/Nice Keys turn into regular keys, they don't actually turn into regular keys. Steam only gives them a new description and icon, to match that of a regular key. The item ID stays the same. So bp.tf will still show it and treat it as if it is a Nice/Naughty Key, even after it 'transformed' into a regular Mann Co Key. Naturally, noone will pay extra for a 'Nice/Naughty' key that for all intents and purposes gets treated as a regular key, meaning keeping the price high will throw off backpack values.

If you look up any special/seasonal key on bp.tf, you'll see they are all priced at 1 key, no matter what collectors with alt accounts sell them for. This is the reason why, and why proof isn't necessary. It's like having to prove a weapon should be 0.05 ref minimum.

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Festive%20Winter%20Crate%20Key/Tradable/Craftable

Arguments shattered.

You found one exception from 2010, of which 140 exist in the entire game. Hardly a conclusive argument.

With all due respect, the exceptions are still there. Often glitched items, such as the Glitched Circuit Board, rise in price significantly. If Valve screws up, it's big money.

I understand your point but the item Woifi linked wasn't glitched. Probably the only reason its value is not 1 key is that there are too few of them to be worth changing the price for. 2 exist right now, actually, according to bp.tf, and they won't even be visible as anything but normal keys on any other site than this one. So yeah.

These keys can still be collected by collectors stored in an alt account to prevent them from changing :P

EDIT:

"All suggestions require proof. Yes, even the "obvious" ones. Given the obtuse collector market, it is better to show something is no longer collectable just in case (like other expired keys)"~cleverpun

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5282a26c4dd7b83b3d8b4568

And how one guy can collect them? Don't must play TF2? I say it because, if he play TF2, those Keys will transform to a normal Key right?

Put them in an alt account. Don't play with alt account. Success!

The keys are automatically changed to regular keys whether you play the game or not. It makes no difference.

Then this needs no change in price if it's gone and will never be traded again

Also, all those suggestions you listed have no proof

Looks like an easy free rep suggestion, of which I disapprove

Downvote

What? Please, read the sentence again.

I've never seen a suggestion where people had so much trouble comprehending as this one :P

I did. They change to regular keys. At this point you're not pricing this item, you're pricing a non-existant item at a key, which shouldn't be possible, since there is none of these you can buy...So why even decrease the price if it will never be traded again? Looks like an easy way to get rep to me.

Since I cannot reply to your last comment, I have to reply here.

These keys changed to regular keys, however, they keep their new defindex. They can be still traded around. If you still don't understand, then have a look (section name "Tool") @ http://www.tf2items.com/item/schema/?sort=craft_class&d=1

That sounds like a great plan, until you have your "limbo" items deleted by valve (as happened just a few months ago) for using your non-backpack as storage.

Hah, that sucks for whomever it happened to.

see my backpack page 14, you can still play, just dont mix them up with your other keys.

You are incorrect. Seasonal keys don't use the same mechanism for transforming that is used for deleting seasonal items. Instead of transforming seasonal keys into a separate item, they change the definition entry for the naughty/nice keys to match that of the regular key. That's why some trading sites have like 10 copies of the key when you search.

"proof in this case should not be necessary"

.................

you always need proof

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c901d64dd7b8fc7a8b4567

Selling 1:1 ( http://i.imgur.com/rmXG3EX.png )

These keys are not searchable via tf2op, tf2tp, bazaar.

Another 1:1 in classifieds http://i.imgur.com/szKciJU.png

Vast majority of users treats these keys just like any other key so proof is rare.

Third 1:1 in classifieds http://i.imgur.com/3HxVrTe.png

Another 1:1 http://i.imgur.com/ce7kfLr.png

again? really?

This is happening too often. There should be some kinda test suggestion before you can actually make a Price suggestion.

How would that be judged though?

As i know, it stll exist in inventories and can be traded. So it is just a collector's item. So it still needs a price, not matter how many of them are in existance.

The suggestions stated are old- there are no suggestions accepted without proof, that are younger than a year.

Please show me a TF2 steam inventory where this is still a nice key and I will close it.

There is some proof posted above since I cannot edit my original comment anymore.

He was asking you to provide proof these exist in Steam inventories, which they don't, so your argument is invalid

That was a proof for "sales".

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198053220865 is this what you mean?

nope, those are regulars

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053220865/inventory/#440_2_2252247105

http://tf2b.com/tf2/76561198053220865#5

ah, im starting to understand what you're getting at here. Changing my votes to neutral.

This confusion is partly caused by bp.tf which displays outdated icon(s) on purpose. Other websites and backpack viewers treat all these keys as the same item pretty much.

downboat kden.

just because the keys aren't in game, doesn't mean they're worth a regular key. The old winter crate keys are worth 2 keys now. simply a collector's item.

Right now, 99% people don't distinguish between this key or any other regular mann. co. key, they just trade them as they are. I personally got 4 winter keys while doing regular trades. If the situation changes in the next months, the price can be adjusted, but there are thousands of these and you are comparing that to mere 140 winter keys.

but then again in warbutt...

But if you look at your backpack through Steam, it is a regular key.

Its fixed the new update caused it to change back, it was strange while it lasted xD

The keys have turned into regular keys. All backpack.tf backpacks with the winter keys still in them just haven't updated yet.

The keys aren't in the game, so should this suggestion even exist? If mods can delete item listings, wouldn't that just make more sense?

The key with defindex 5717 still exists in the game and appears as a regular key. It's NOT replaced by regular key.