Suggestion: Earbuds at 19.5 keys

Price Suggestion

Earbuds

Submitted Sun, 19 Jan 14 05:01:31 +0000 by ★ ECHOSYN

67.76%

19.5 keys

~8.23 keys

782 votes up

372 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Thu, 23 Jan 14 17:36:20 +0000 by polar.

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I was waiting for someone to suggest this , but yea i think im gonna do it.

19 is quicksell , so not gonna wast my time looking for proofs , i checked every single trade on outpost (900 trades 50x18) , only found 2 valid sellers!

19 Keys sellers :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17217270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17334455

19 Keys Solds :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17060721

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17111833

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17209905

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17257358

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17205851

19.5 Keys sellers (Some of them abit higher and some of them abit lower (Close to 19.5) , but overall most of them at 19.5) :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17288983

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17319486

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15166433

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17009885

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17353479

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17340111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15362463

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17285280

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17346005

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17349270

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17061181

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17285464

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17009680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17333448

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16866281

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17115263

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17257033

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17334789

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17352235

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17339844

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17232254

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17328117

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17095837

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17278579

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16909352

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17355273

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17273958

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17303317

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17343840

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17190362

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17319731

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17304565

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17354019

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17351406

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17207461

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14648748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17281832

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17251117

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17277992

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17169743

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17107755

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17216592

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17309741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17315114

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16876433

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17331139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17352563

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17049793

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17348618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17344888

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17346259

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17102810

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17311622

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17306297

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17301297

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17250542

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17314051

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17319294

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17310316

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17306676

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17332866

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17216974

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17216305

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16987392

Unsolds at 20 Keys (They are all +3 days old , but most of them +6 days old) :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17178497

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16968771

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17179456

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16901244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17008045

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17171500

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17231125

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17195688

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17270834

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15840058

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17200523

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17245192

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16769312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15872424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17192430

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17262720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17264581

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17014585

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17202447

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17172689

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17173934

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16993799

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17126670

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17244933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17051579

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17174875

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17210606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17097658

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17204612

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17047705

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17246299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17216101

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17263173

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17277613

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17245252

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17272845

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17250105

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17276054

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17266344

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17275468

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17099958

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17159885

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17249042

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17263297

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17192228

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17230706

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17245074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17257673

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17215400

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17137407

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17185563

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17215237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17276295

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16975091

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17272354

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17254784

Took me 2 hours to collect all the proofs + make this suggestion , This will be the last time i do this , Damn you MasterYster :&

I feel like 20 keys should be in the range. Staying neutral on this one.

Feel free to provide sales at 20 keys if you believe 20 keys should remain in the range.

I forgot I can't state my opinion without someone saying that.

Opinions < proof

I didn't intend for my opinion to mean anything, especially since I'm staying neutral.

Ok, I sincerely apologize for my statement,I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm not too sure why I can't remove my comment.

I'm not too sure why so many people downvoted you for it xD Such harsh criticism for merely saying "iunno."

You can remove/edit your comment 1 hour after posting.

I was debating whether or not to put this up as a just in case because I wasn't sure what I wanted. Interesting

I failed selling @20 keys http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17268226 (6 days no sales with autobump)

Success @ 19.4 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17425087 (sold 4/6 in 1 day)

upvoted

With the amount of counter-proofs given. I have no choice but to lower it down.

Pulling the gear down

My trade (/17126670) sold. I can provide history evidence: http://imgur.com/OfPmSWc

yea, I thought 20keys should have been removed from the range when looking at master's proof, I am staying neutral on both suggestions for the time being. However I think this price is better.

^ Exactly what I was gonna comment in every fricking aspect lol. Also staying neutral on both but this is better imo

Well to be honest i didnt want to wast my time collecting the proofs , its just i felt that the admins gonna accept the other sugg somehow , 19 is quicksell , 20 keys is hard to sell , There are way many sellers at 19.5 , so i feel that 19.5 is good for now , even though i tottaly agree that the current range is also good , but 19.5 is abit better imo.

I'm going to go positive on this one. I'm just one trader, but I haven't sold one single bud for over 19.5 since the jump.

Looks good. I recognize you from somewhere but I don't know why.

"Hey guys, if I (up/down)vote both suggestions, I'll either get a net gain of 0 points of rep or -2 points of rep! :D" - Me when unsure which currency suggestion will pass.

Not me this time. Looks like 20 keys doesn't belong in the range anymore. Might change my mind if people post counter-proof but doesn't look like it. Upvote!

Different suggestion :x

Yeah, my bad. 19.5 is a good price.

just looking at people buying buds on outpost (ie. opened a trade offering keys for buds/items) although a few low ballers, most were asking for 19 keys per bud. This suggests to me that 19 is a quicksell, if people need to open trades asking for them on outpost, they are selling to quickly to search for them manually. I think its time for a bud bump, and i dont fully agree with either suggestions to be honest. I am upvoting this suggestion since it seems like the lesser of two evils (lol)

Give him Upvote Like a Boss !

le funny meme xdd

I've seen bots buying for 19 keys. Proof looks good and I support this. I haven't had a single person quicksell to me for 18 in days. Upvoted.

I think 19.4 already takes way too long to sell, I see no reason for 20 to even be in the range currently. 19-19.5 would've been more reasonable.

There is no reason to keep 19 keys in the range when few come up for sale at that price and those that do sell instantly.

The following are all buyers that paid 20 keys for a bud (I can verify as I was the one that sold to them)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17384933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17383864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17327467

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17326937

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17292695

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17204520

Sold these 2 shortly after listing them for sale at 20 keys each today.

http://i.imgur.com/QAO74cR.png

And another 2 I sold to someone that was originally buying for 20 keys each (changed trade to 19 keys after buying from me)

http://i.imgur.com/Kez6fPs.png

Some more proof of 20 keys being possible. Will update as I find more.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17393974 Buyer paid 20 keys

All the following are buyer trades that paid 20 keys per bud

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17345718

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17351859

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17389183

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17399009

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17361192 Bought 2 for 20 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17387625 Guy above later bought a 3rd for 20 keys

A bit outlier but this dude paid 21 keys for a bud (I sold one to him)

http://bazaar.tf/trade/650476

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17345718" took 0 minutes

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17351859" maybe valid, but most probably he forgot to close

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17389183" took 0 minutes

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17399009" took 0 minutes

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17361192 Bought 2 for 20 each" took 2 minutes

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17387625 Guy above later bought a 3rd for 20 keys" took 0 minutes

not a counter-proof at all:)

Again, that is the case with anything where someone puts up a buyer trade at the current high end for anything. If I put up a trade buying a Team Captain for 1 key, I'm instantly going to get a seller. Does that mean it should go down and the trade should be ignored as proof that it still goes for 1 key? No. With your logic buyer trades shouldn't count as proof at all for any suggestions.

Actually, there's no logic in price suggestions, because proof consists of a way smaller number of trades, than an entire market. Your counter-proof is even smaller and has trades when a buyer is overpaying, because 20 key is not possible for the majority of entire market. I added my trade up there to be realistic. I think you should use common sense before "logic".

2 or more links counts as counter-proof. I guess you haven't done much trading. There are way more sellers than market price buyers. Know that. If I put up buying Sharp Dresser for 2.33 ref I would constantly get at least 1 to 2 adds. Please know about the market and how suggestion works before saying anything. Thank you, have a great one! :D

1. I have a master degree in corporate management and economics.

2. Tf2 economy is my hobby, not more. I know way more about tf2 economy/trading than you can imagine.

3. Please don't say anything about my personality if you don't know me and haven't even looked at my trading experience. Have a nice day as well.

If you are taking that as insult it wasn't. No harm done to you :P

Just pointing out something that you seem to be missing on. x_x

This is how counter-suggestions have been working all along. The thing you posted on the counter-suggestion of Duscoda didn't make sense, thus I said that.

Anyways, on topic...Lots of counterproof so yeah, this suggestion does not seem right anymore :P

a bit late, but your links are broken.

Another buy trade at 20 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17405972

It took 3 minutes to buy. Definitely a quickbuy and therefore 20 doesn't belong in the range anymore

Actually now when taking closer look at your "counter proof". all the buyers have instant adds for 20 keys.

You realize thats the case whenever anyone puts up a buyer trade for anything and is paying the high end of a range. If I put up a buyer trade to buy a Bills for 6 keys, I'm going to instantly get adds. If I put up a buyer trade to buy a Strange Huntsman for 7 keys, I'm going to instantly get adds. Should those prices be lowered just because if someone makes a buyer trade at their high end, they'll instantly get a seller?

Every single link you have providen so far have been bought in matter of seconds. That clearly dictates that the 20 key high end is no more accurate. It is easily considered an overpay and therefore a range must be changed. Even one is paying the high end one might not get instant adds.

If 20 keys is instant, shouldn't the price go up? If the 20 is a quick sell, then it would make sense for the price to go up.... right? Your statement contradicts itself. If there are "way too many sellers at 19.5" then nobody would buy 20 keys...

Quicksell isn't same as quickbuy. Can u even read my posts?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17416069 Buyer at 20 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17420097 Buyer thats collecting to pay 20 keys, I think

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17424023 Another buyer that paid 20 keys

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=9998429 And another buyer at 20 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17431202 Bought 3 for 20 keys each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17431997 Buyer paid 20 keys

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52d1c4944cd7b8030c8b4567

too many below 19.5

downvote

Only 7 are below 19.5 and are ~19.4 . In total there are over 100+ listed over 19.5

Last suggestion got passed with 1/3 as much proof as this. Upvote!

quality and quantity :P not just one or the other is what matters

put a bud for 19 and get 4 add inst. quicksell

I had problem selling for 20 keys.

Upvoted.

But you sold it for 20 keys eventually?

Sold one for 20 keys via tf2op - http://i.imgur.com/kp1wMfF.png

Easily sold for 20 keys. - http://i.imgur.com/G02f3rK.jpg

Sry, it's german.

I can confirm that ohrhörer = earbud.^^

http://prntscr.com/2ljs12

Just sold 1 for 20 keys

Another sold for 20 keys

http://i.imgur.com/3JWrEW0.jpg?1

heh I'm surprised someone hasn't made a sarcastic price manipulator comment :p but anyways from what've I've seen, yeah this is looking like a good idea

http://cs314419.vk.me/v314419373/6d02/CZ3JZatzShM.jpg

Bought for 19 keys. I think current range is better.

Had the hardest time selling mine for 20 Keys, ended up selling my Bud for an Unusual + 7 Keys in sweets, I then sold the Unusual for another Bud.

Upvote from me,

I see several sales of 20 keys in the counter-proof. Conclusion: 20 keys is a hard sell, but it happens.

Current range is fine, i'm going to have to downvote. (Just wait a few more days and they will need a drop)

I think the current range is better. You can swap your bud for 19.5 keys, and you can buy it for 19, sell it for 20, and you can make profit.

current range seems better

Flat price for buds is a really bad idea.

Upvote from me, plenty of good proof.

20 happens

Downvoting.

http://puu.sh/6vkPd.png sold 20 keys

A lot of the unsolds have sold at 20. And comments show a lot more at 20 as well. In fact a few even at 21. I don't see enough reason here to completely remove that from the range. 19 and 20 keys are more convenient exchanges for people and enough are traded there that a range seems more suitable. Furthermore, not even sure what 19.5 keys is designed to represent as 19 keys + 3 ref is quite clearly 19.4 keys now and 19.5 is actually closer to 19 + 4 refined. Seems best to eliminate the ambiguity and to just leave the range as is.