Suggestion: Ellis' Cap at 1 ref

is this counterproof or supporting proof? you have both solds and unsolds... and by the way the guy from the 2nd link still owns the ellis; check his bp

Just an analysis of the links you've provided.

Do I have to be biased? Do I even have to 'choose a side'? :)

'Sold / No longer selling' indicates a link that the trade owner has either closed, or that the item has been sold. Either way - making it invalid as proof from your side.

alright, i just couldn't tell if you were biased or not. that's all

sorry if i offended you in any way

:) You just asked an innocent question. Not sure if what I said sounded a bit harsh :) No offence taken and no offense given :)

It's a price suggestion - we all have the right to make suggestions and provide proof. It's up to the community and Admins to decide whether enough proof is provided to support a particular argument.

I am just more inclined to support the current range, based on what I've seen. Good luck on the suggestion though.

No hat, no matter how common, should be a refined flat.

I have no proof to back up this claim, but just not going to vote.

I buy ellis caps for 1 ref each as a QUICKSELL PRICE. Most of the time they get sold within seconds after posting it on the classifieds, and you can't find any sellers for 1 ref on tf2outpost that has been up for more than a bump.

I even manage to sell some for 1.22 each lol: http://i.imgur.com/sMvhr2p.jpg

I just sold one for 1.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17447730 I sold 2 for 1.11 within 1 day

sold 2 ellis' caps to the same guy for 1,11 ref each

http://imgur.com/PZUl80Q

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17344469

One of your unsolds actually sold. I think the hat is better off with the range.

that's only one sell, correct?

or have more of them sold?

But it proves that 1.11 is possible, not to mention the excessively low evidence.

i do not have execessively low evidence, i have plenty

Don't pretend that those links were always there. Now that your evidence is fixed I will go neutral.

waaaah? you can only edit comments for 1 hour after you post, mate. I posted this suggestion 14 hours ago. those have been there the whole time.

I can assure you, I'm not stupid, and disliking all my comments don't accomplish anything either.

~~herp derp, imma gonna downvote ahlll yur comments, now feell sahd~~

If you know that comments can't be edited after an hour, why do you think that those links haven't been there the whole time?

1 sale is an outlier, not proof that the price is possible.

I'm having trouble understanding why I'm getting shit for something that I questioned and he fixed.

Same reason I got shit for misunderstanding someone's tone of "voice" over internet chat. This is backpack.tf.

@ Luckyse7ens

Not sure why I can't respond to that last comment.

The suggestion was most certainly there for more than an hour.

ok you're confusing me now.

quoted from just above:

Don't pretend that those links were always there. Now that your evidence is fixed I will go neutral.

RedParadox · posted about 2 hours ago

then i said that they were there the whole time, and now... what? those links were always there...

I wouldn't say there isn't enough evidence if there was enough evidence. Now I'm done with this pointless argument.

Mass Buyers at 1 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17340858

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17379240

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/3385686 - 1.11 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9009485

Plenty more to comb through - http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/185598029

Too early for 1 Ref flat?

i don't think it's too early, it's a somewhat common item considering that "store promotion" item drop going around

L1: Proves what 1 Ref is a very good prices for the seller, 2 added, 2 trade offers sent, 2 bookmarks.

L2: Not buy Ellis.

L3: 1 Year ago, I amn't sure about if this get updated in the last week, or is a old price.

L4: 10 months ago, but maybe is good counter-proof because not seems to bought any Ellis' in the last week.

PS: Upvote, I know some guys who sold this hat for below 1 Ref.

Not bad for your second suggestion. Tons of proof and reasonably organized. Keep up the good work. Maybe label which sellers sell for less than 1 ref? Upvote regardless.

thanks for the advice

cant see to find 1 at 1 ref :), they go so fast

eh sold one of mine for 1 ref, I'll upvote this because it doesn't seem like people are paying anything more (l4d2 being free and all over the holidays)

Bought about 25 for 1 ref in a day. No need to pay 1.11 in my opinion.

edit: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17365631

Mass Buyer at 1 Ref; That does support the current range of 1 Ref - 1.11 Ref; It shows that 1 Ref is a quicksell, as buyers can sell the hat for 1 Ref at any time they please.

I'm sure 1.11 is possible, but with so many adds I really don't see the point. Bought 5 more since my previous post.

If 1.11 is still possible - then the current range should be fine.

The proof shows that 1 Ref is a quick sell - If I wanted to sell an Ellis cap for 1 Ref - there are a number of mass buyers in the market who will buy it in an instant.

Keep remember - the current range is 1 Ref - 1.11 Ref; This suggestion is 1 Ref flat (which implies that it should be very tough to sell at 1.11 Ref) The proof shows that 1.11 Ref is still possible :)

Let's see how things go

Yeah I agree, haven't voted on this yet as I also feel like it's a bit early for 1 flat, just wanted to post my thoughts.

Agreed - Let's see what the community and the admins think :)

Just curious: What you planning on doing with them? I saw they were all in your backpack. Thought you wanted to buy at 1 Ref and sell at 1.11 Ref :)

I just figured it was a good time to stock up on some crafting material :D even if I should sell them all at 1.11, it would be like a 3 ref profit overall, not worth it in my opinion. Going to try and buy about 70 in total, but would never sell them.

Wishing you luck :) Hope you get some good crafts if you decide to pursue that route. Either way - selling at 1 Ref is not difficult - so you can't really lose :) Good Luck

Has been there for a week, sold 41 for 1.11 each and always out of stock after 2-3-4 hours (This actually makes me think that 1.11 is still a quick sell?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17117766

You need to prove 1.11 is no longer possible

Downvote

Yep, I sold 41 Caps in total, that would be a big counter-proof, right?

You would need more concrete proof; Snapshots of Sales from your TF2 Inventory History would be great :)

Got it, here come the snapshots :)

http://imgur.com/xJmWhQk

http://imgur.com/CIhg67P

http://imgur.com/H5r8mg1 (Have just sold)

Too lazy to up more but if you guys need more, I will up more, even if it has to be those 41 Caps :)

Good Proof of 1.11 Ref :)

Link 2 ( http://imgur.com/CIhg67P ) - 2 Ellis Caps @ 1.11 Ref each

Link 3 ( http://imgur.com/H5r8mg1 ) - 3 Ellis Caps @1.11 Ref each

Link 1 ( http://imgur.com/xJmWhQk ) is not very clear :) 7 Ellis caps @ ? 49 scrap?

Ok, I have to admit this one is wierd. But is there any limits in trade history? (Maybe it ran out of space to display?). I'm pretty sure I have sold 7 Caps to him for 7.77 in total (he is a also bot so I believe he had given me enough metal (I checked, too))

Not exactly sure whether there is a limit (but that is a lot of scrap :) ); Anyway - Link 2 and 3 are good - sold 5 hats for at 1.11 Ref each - very clear :)

Wait, problem solved, just log into another computers and Steam displays this instead of "http://imgur.com/xJmWhQk" (Must be Steam errors)

http://imgur.com/ic10qCg

And additional snapshots, too:

http://imgur.com/kyvYJvo - Sold 2

http://imgur.com/Xouindj - Sold 1

http://imgur.com/mhfPcjk - Sold 5

p/s: I love selling Caps :)

Nice :)

Sufficient proof of 1.11 Ref sales provided :)

i selled one at 0.66 ref, in 10 seconds

This doesn't really have much to do with the range at all, all this shows is that 0.66 is a quicksell, which isn't even a part of his new range or the old range.

yeah, it shows it

*facepalm*

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17381601

so elis cap is the exception for the term craft hat now?

It's still a craft hat. I believe one day, it will be back as 1.22 ('cause 1.11 always goes so fast)

and 1.33 ref for a craft hat is still meta. so why is elis lowering in price being so important, is it just rep?

Nah. I was the first to lower it to 1.22, and at the time, it really was falling.

it is being lowered simply because of lower selling prices and lack of rarity. I think that most premium players received that "store promotion" item drop that gave them one of these and a pan, in some cases, which greatly lowers the demand for this hat, therefore causing sellers to bring down there prices, and...voilà. that's how we're here right now.

Still a craft hat when sold in bulk, so where's your answer for that?

an accepted suggestion.

rip craft hats

MY SUCCESSOR.

Upboat. Decent proof.

2 days ago I sold one for 1,11 and the buyer had enough metal to buy 3 more at that price :

http://i.imgur.com/DnvswnI.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17164458

I have no plan on stopping. Sorry for the blatant self promotion, buy I buy these at 1 ref and resell at 1.11 ALL. THE. TIME. all your sellers are already sold, this is absolutely ridiculous this hasn't been closed already.

Edit: fixing typo