Suggestion: Strange Machina at 19 keys

Price Suggestion

~61.5 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Wed, 29 Jan 14 15:41:25 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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If you can't read this whole thing, don't vote. It really doesn't help anyone.

I just spent literally an hour writing a suggestion for this, got up to over 3,000 characters, and had it all deleted. Best thing to ever happen to me.

This is a conservative price increase, there are none in the classifieds for 18, multiple buyers for 18 pure on outpost (I'll find some of them and put them back below, but I'm a little too annoyed to collect all of my links again ,) and almost all of the sellers are rejecting offers of 18 pure, and some rejecting even higher offers.

My suggestion only raises an imaginary number for my backpack value, if the new price reflects the actual market price, my backpack stays the same value, it's just a more accurate number now.

That being said: Buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17294127 S.F. Huntsman with parts and a strange painted villain's veil. Not sure of the exact item overpay calculation here, but I figured it was worth noting.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17477273 buying for 18

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17457930 buying for 18

None of them have been sold to at those prices, so take note.

And on to sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/1841794 ignored offer of 20 keys for one at the bottom

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17091666 ignored offer of 19

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15545260 ignored offer of 21 on one with headshot kills

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11749328 ignored offer of 22 on one with headshot kills

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17057572 ignored offers of s.f. killstreak sticky launcher + sweets / bud / 20 keys on one with no parts

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17416688 ignored offers of 19 and 20 on one with no parts

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17472864 sold almost instantly for "bp.tf low end" (18 keys.) This makes me think 18 is an easy quicksell, along with the multitude of buyers for 18.

I'm really sorry, I can't be arsed to find more proof right now, I seriously lost an hour's work on this. If your only counterargument is "selling != sold" then please show yourself the door, because there have been rejected offers higher than the price I'm proposing. So no, selling does not equal sold. But rejected offers at a price above bp.tf current price means the price needs to increase, and I think 19 keys is conservative.

Rejected offers don't mean much, pretty much just shows sellers are greedy. Solds would be much more helpful. 2 rejected offers for 19 keys isn't enough to set this at 19 keys flat. Gonna downvote on this one.

I would think rejected offers higher than the current value would mean something.

However, pretty much all of the sellers proof has parts on it (and good parts as well). As for the buyer trades, one already got a Machina, and one is rather new, so I dont see how they prove the prices needs raised.

I have to agree with the downvote.

It does mean something. That something is that a price increase is in order, but without actual solds we can't find the actual price.

I think that part of the problem is that most of the Machinas I can see on OP are Killstreakers or have Parts (mostly Headshots), so it's hard to find any proof.

It may be that no one wants to pay more than 19 for it so rejected 19's doesn't mean a price increase. As you said, we need to see sales.

Alright. I respect the input, and I'll take the rejected suggestion as is rightfully deserved, but I really won't be surprised if another suggestion gets accepted within a week. As it stands, I still think the price needs an increase, but I understand if I'm not the one to make it happen.

You can. Just look for completed sales. Sometimes that takes time. You can close this yourself, if you'd like.

So you're saying that 19 rejected offers are completely useless even though they are higher than current price? Please explain.

Alright, I guess I didn't word that properly. I didn't say they meant nothing, but I did say they didn't mean much which I was wrong. So yes, sellers and buyers are valuing it above the current price which means a price increase is needed. Solds would be more helpful, but yes rejected offers above current price - they do mean something. He also only has 2 rejected offers of which he is basing the suggested price on, one of which has a nametag if it makes a difference.

afaik he provided 0 rejected offer for 18 keys, instead he provided a quicksell so your point about "greediness" is kinda invalid.

So what if they're greedy? May I ask you how it makes a difference in any way?

Now others have provided more proof of 19 - going into neutral, possibly upvote

Reading - Downvote

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17470804 21 hours old, has rejected at least:

- 18 keys

- 19 keys

Your proof is meagre, but anyone who think this isn't due for a rise probably hasn't looked on Outpost at all (not that I'm surprised). There are only 4 pages of Machinas, and if you take away all the sets/prof. killstreaks/more sets you'll probably have 1 page left of people selling plain Machinas.

Headshot Kills - 4 Keys (Worth 2 Keys by Backpack)

Snipers Killed - 1.2 Keys (Worth 0.6 Keys in Backpack)

Dominations - 2 Keys Worth 1 Key in Backpack)

Name Tag Applied

Description Tag AppliedApplied

You could even easily charge 3 Key premium on the item, I'd say that a 5-6 Key premium is possible as well considering the cost of the parts and the fact that it has tags :)

ones with parts can't be used as proof

There's so few stranges left without some kind of bonus effect.

19 keys isn't a good price. I've been gathering watching the market and gathering proof since Saturday/Sunday and from what I've seen this isn't an accurate price. There have been enough sellers to warrant keeping 18 keys in the price, and sales above 19. I'll be submitting my proof shortly.

Just posted this;

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17470804 21 hours old, has rejected at least:

- 18 keys

- 19 keys

19 keys is conservative, they do sell for more as you pointed out. Literally the only reason people still sell for 18 keys is because they blindly follow bp.tf, due to the low supply it's very easy to get more than that.

that machine has parts worth around 4 keys again even if there are just 2 or 3 links without parts you just can't use strings as proof unless lowing the price

If you'd like to make another suggestion, by all means, do so. Considering that I've never made a suggestion before, I own one, and I'm not the most well-versed in suggestion rules anyway, please take this as your opportunity to make a better one.

Because I understand fully if my suggestion isn't viewed as being the most reputable thing.

I was looking for a s. machina for weeks trying to buy one with no parts or any killstreaks on it, it is ridiculously hard looking for one, I feel like it should be a change for this price on this gun but you need more proof on it. If you can find more, I'll upvote.

"ignored" offers don't really mean anything. What matters is what is SELLING

If buyers are offering above the current price, and sellers aren't accepting these offers, it means that both buyers and sellers are valuing the item above its current suggested value.

Is that value 19 keys though? I really don't think so.

-Not a lotta proof here. Go find moar. :3

-One of your buyers at 18 seems to have gotten one, and fairly quickly, too.

(Copypasta into notepad or some other program and save it every few minutes to avoid losing all your work. It's THAT SIMPLE, and you get no sympathy from me for losing work because you can't figure that out...even if saying so makes me a jerk.)

It doesn't by any means make you a jerk. I was just frustrated. To be honest, I think I only omitted about three links from the proof I had built up before, it's extremely hard to find these on the market without strange parts or killstreaks attached. That being said, I have at this point learned to save my work often. It only takes once.

i sold one with long distance kills for 20 keys

http://i.imgur.com/cKhmgA3.png

I was actually trying to ask you about that on TF2-T but too many people were talking

Aye, but ones with parts cannae be used in pricing, cap'n.

The one I was referring to was the one that didn't have parts. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17291325

Also, the part is only worth 1.33-1.66 ref. So while it at least supports that sales over 19 occur. It just shouldn't be the main proof for it.

You have 1 sale. Rejected buyers are pointless, as the majority of people on Outpost sell their items quite high and are greedy. And, you only have 1 sale at 18. Did you magically pull 19 out of the air? Downvote.

So...can you explain how rejected offers above current price is useless again?

They are killing you because you haven't any suggestion accepted and you have one S. Machina.

Proof isn't bad, but can be best. If you can show some sales for 19 Keys, and any other quicksell for 18 Keys... Maybe 18 - 19 Keys range is best...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17465220

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17472864

Dunno bout the first one cause I'm a greedy bastard who inflates prices, but bought his caber & machina (9 & 18 keys respectively) within minutes of posting.

Second one s.machina sold within minutes. Look at first post.

Yeah 18-19 seems to be a safer bet, but the s.machina indeed deserves a price bump. Also, just to note, I got one guy who sold me his s.machina for 18 keys on my buying trade.

A range may have been a better idea, but the feeling I got from outpost was that 18 was somewhat of a quicksell.

And I was additionally aware that making this while owning one would mark me for death, but I'm not legitimately too concerned with whether or not this gets accepted. As I stated above, I think it'll be less than two weeks until another suggestion a fair amount like this gets accepted.

Yeah 18 is kind of a quicksell now tbh going by how limited they are. We just need to find more proof, but people are definitely willing to go 19 keys for it.

Yeah, I'm downvoting this. Range for 18 - 19 Keys is totally best, because the proof isn't enough for 19 Keys flat. Re-suggest please.

JUST AN FYI, just sold my machina(headshots s.part) for 27 keys

1. proof would be more useful. 2. you probably got lucky. 3. ones with parts aren't good proof. 4. massive outlier

Just an fyi

First of all machina should be way more then 18 keys lol 2nd of all this all bp voting system is wrong and ridicolous,i will take now my unusual and couple other owners of the same hat,we gonna take and "sell"them to our friends for 12 buds or so and give yas as proof,so that will make the unusual 12 buds? Get a life and normal price set up,no wonder why this website sucks and no-one uses it.

Why does this comment even belong here? If anything, it makes me look even worse, I've brought out the crazies.

If you're the one arguing about inaccurate proof, where's your proof of this website sucking and no-one using this site?

http://www.trafficestimate.com/backpack.tf

Also, why do you tell us to "get a life" when you seem to spend yours posting sad, melancholic and untrue comments? A bit hypocritical I must say.

Whats wrong now getting mad? Ofc this website is shit lol we can make price of unusuals that exist only 10 of them or more whatever we want. So yea this is shit website and shit pricing system so deal with it.

No, only immature idiots "get mad," please realise there are holes in your logic. We can't make the prices "whatever we want" - this is a documentation site, we base the prices upon the market.

Backpack.tf does not give arbitrary prices to traders, it's merely a guide.

You are more than welcome to use it. Same goes to not using it. However, these sort of discussions should be talked about in the forums, not on price suggestions when this is a more serious matter than your complaints about this site.

If possible, keep looking for more Machina trades over time and see if you can find at least one seller who sold for 19.

Offers can be faked after all.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17497478#p50936761

Sold two for 21 keys easy(less than a day). You can check my backpack and theirs for legitimacy. People really want this item, and I'm guessing they want the cheapest.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17480985 < Buying for A bud, not able to buy one yet.

Unfortunately he doesn't say he's paying a bud. He could be using it as bait and then ask the potential seller to add with the Machina for the bud or offer something else entirely for a Machina.

from what it looks like though, he's offering a bud for it

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17508902

He seems to have bought one for 22 keys.

It has headshots and long distance kills, so not the best proof for supporting a price increase.

I was going to downvote this for days since the proof was horrible....but much like the S. Kritz, it seems the roof of this just went out and the price is really uncertain o.o

I mean, your proof suppors 19 horribly but it definitely looks like it should rise

Salvaged #30 boom!

Maybe a 18-19 keys range would be better to suggest.

They alwats have been a PITA to buy when i had mine it took a while to negotiate. Like a week, The it was a low and unusual i sold it for. Orbiting planets Scotch bonnet! It had headshots and airshots and something else I forget hope this helps u guys.

Looks like the Salvage 30's are on the rise!

"I just spent literally an hour writing a suggestion for this, got up to over 3,000 characters, and had it all deleted. Best thing to ever happen to me."

Sorry, I don't believe I requested a life story.

uhm, give me a reason for this rather rude comment?

I just get annoyed when people complain about all of their hard work being destroyed.

Perhaps I was also in a bad mood when I wrote that comment.

When you deal with real people - sometimes you do get real stories - just part of life :) He just wants to share his pain in the hopes that people will understand.

"I just spent literally an hour writing a suggestion for this, got up to over 3,000 characters, and had it all deleted. Best thing to ever happen to me."

To prevent this from happening, just save often and if you cannot save just copy all 3,000 of those words so if that hour of work gets deleted you can just paste it back into existence.

Agreed with most of the above, because an offer is rejected it does not necessarily mean the item value is going to rise. If people reject the offers that are on the money, there will be someone looking to sell for the guideline price, its just greedy traders. Sorry for the down vote and sorry that you lost all of your characters :(

What are you talking about? Those rejected offers are HIGHER than current price.

doesnt mean that it will sell. Also, most of those suggestions have parts added to them.

lol...this is proof that you don't check the links.

Like "The Cage With No Name" said it will be better to see sold price instead of rejected. Everyone(well most) are trying to get top dollar for their items. Sellers are most like wait for a new price that will increase the price because of it rarity or looking that buyer willing to do a buyout.

Sales

1 bud (19-19.5)

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52ca60db4cd7b85b668b4567 --> http://puu.sh/6B6k9.png

There are no other sales to be found. That's right, this is how much killstreaks influenced this item.

Buyers

18 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17437499 - appears to be unsuccessful for 6 days (also is a quickbuyer --> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16482564 )

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17463101 - appears to be unsuccessful for 4 days (Also a resells for 21 keys http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17562067 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17497478 <--- even sold one for 21 keys )

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17469159 (resells at an unknown price)

18-18.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17566546 - wants name + desc tag as well. Paying a bud for it.

19 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17554617 - buying for 1 day

Here's my evaluation

-There is none in the market for 18 keys, you can thank parts and killstreaks because of that. Don't believe me? Look here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/188019736

-Multiple quickbuyers for 18 keys, even one willing to buy for 19 keys.

- http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17569406 - poorly bumped, has an add. Offline.

Upvoting this one.

Thank you for the help, I'm legitimately curious to see how this turns out at this point.

Well presented :)

Good Proof of buyers pricing.

Sound logic and reasoning.

Getting harder to get a clean strange's for a number of weapons.

Most users wouldn't have made much of a fuss if the same evidence was presented, had the price been 18-19 Keys - Many of us prefer conservative price changes even though they may not be entirely accurate.

Oh just to clarify. Bought three machinas at 18 keys, one machina for a tf logo backbiters + 2 keys, another for 1 bud.

Sold 3 of them for 21 keys in pure, 1 is reserved and I still have to sell the other one.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17518089 - Sold very quickly at 18 keys

Then he was buying one for a bud http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17480985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17569406 - Sold fairly quickly for 19 keys.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17569222 - Quicksold 19 keys with parts

Upvote.

the salvaged #30 going up in price has to be accounted for in its items increasing as well. this conservative one key hike is totally justified in my opinion. and i'm not just saying this b/c i own so many s. machinas, it's just sensical.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17599162 I opened a trade at 10pm for 18+3 and in three minutes someone sent a trade offer. Wow. Fastest sale of anything I've ever done over 5 keys

18-19keys would of been a better range imo