Suggestion: Non-Tradable Voodoo Juju at 5.5–7.5 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 04 Feb 14 01:03:35 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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What good is a hat if you can't trade it?

Following the rules for untradeable items found here: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/5973-untradable-item-pricing-rules/

Short version: price is not calculating wrap, if seller provides wrap, its price is taken off buyer's end

At the time of suggesting, Gift Wrap = 1 key

Sales:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17472150 - sold for a Value of Teamwork Bill's (seller's wrap). ~5.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17452153 - sold for a white Bill's (seller's wrap). ~6 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15583772 - sold for a Strange Pan (unclear whose wrap). 6.5 - 7.5 keys (sold on November 8th)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16666641 - sold for a Vintage Lugermorph + a White Vintage Killer's Kabuto (seller's wrap). 7.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17267201 - quicksold for 4 keys (seller's wrap). 3 keys quicksell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17091260 - sold for 5 keys + Genuine Respectless Rubber Glove + Milkman (seller's wrap). 4.6 keys outlier

~~http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16863654 - sold for a Sack Fulla Smissmas (seller's wrap). 11 keys (sold on January 1st)~~ outlier

Sellers: (unsolds)

http://i.imgur.com/XehvKvz.png - current backpack.tf sellers, none below 7 keys

5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17400258

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17427366

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17406923 (5 + 1 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17330176 (asking wrapped summer shades + wrap, ~5.5)

6 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17511576

7 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16311182

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17471592

other

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17549885 - appears to be quickselling for 3 (young)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16016209 - selling at "bp.tf price" (whatever that is); was offered 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14848559 - recently offered ~7 in mixed keys/items

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17023704 - asking 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17472318 - asking 8 (painted black)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17003411 - asking 8 (painted TS)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10306002 - taking offers (painted black); denied 8 key offer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17271395 - taking offers; seems to want ~8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16634918 - taking offers; was offered 6, counter-asked 9

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16525915 - asking 8.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16137756 - asking 8.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13841229 - asking 9

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17345962 - asking 9

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17466565 - asking 10-11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17127476 - asking 12

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17520378 - asking 15

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16914987 - asking 15

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17431044 - asking 15

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17377344 - taking offers; seems to want upwards of 20

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17494388 - taking offers; looking for collector's special eyes

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17538706 - asking "bp.tf price"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17453890 - taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17483973 - taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17531684 - taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17449486 - taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17447034 - taking offers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17410943 - taking offers

Summary:

~~3 keys~~ (quicksold)

~~~4.5 keys~~ (outlier)

~5.5 keys

~6 keys

~7 keys

~7.5 keys

~~11 keys~~ (outlier)

Nobody seems entirely sure how much this should be worth, and clear sales are a bit tough to find. Even discounting a couple (significantly) low and high sales, this seems to have a pretty wide range, likely due to lack of buyers and a lack of clear price guidelines.

Feel free to offer constructive criticism and/or proof for or against the suggestion.

how was this not priced earlier?

Wasn't possible to price specifically the non-tradeable version until recently.

okay thanks

You calling the Gibus Bad?

Are you calling the Gibus good? ~~casual~~

You calling me out?

I AIN'T CALLIN YA TO DINNER!

Oh. Darn. I was hungry as I read this too. Anyway, I got chips so iz all gud.

I bought 1 for bills's hat + caft misc + 1 ref! Upvote!

link: http://goo.gl/H75IkJ

What good is a hat if you can't trade it? Ohhh I dunno maybe the HOUWAR :/

Looks pretty good - better than nothing :)

In my opinion this is enough proof. Upvote

I cannot wait...

Care to prove any of your sales actually happened?

this has nothing really to do with the suggestion proof or anything (which i dont agree with too much)

"what good is a hat if you cannot trade it?"

well, why is and uncraftable voodoo juju priced lower than craftable voodoo juju? there is no difference between a craftable and uncraftable hat if you cant craft either of them. is it because there is one extra line of text on the hat?

so, is it being not easily movable through the market making it less of a hat? yes, it makes it slightly more difficult to sell, but it shouldnt be suggested as only 25% - 50% the value of a regular one

hey, this is the tf2 community, ALMOST every item that is uncraftable receive a lowered price than the clean one, so is better buy uncraft in dat case, is much cheaper, and voodoo juju is pure awesomeness!!!

It. Was. A. Joke.

The sales used here aren't sufficiently proven. The linked outpost trades contain no information indicating the named sales. If you're using backpack histories, you need to show them. As it stands, none of the listed sales are usable and the range here is not validated.

Since this was left dangling for a week, going to give you some time to see this and to either remake or add the relevant information. As it stands, the suggestion isn't acceptable in this state.

Give me a bit; I'll go grab the histories.

Sale #1: http://i.imgur.com/e4T4a7g.png ; http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17492214 is the bill's being sold after closing juju trades (backpack history skips Jan 24, so it doesn't show it very well)

Sale #2: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17433118 (see histories), http://backpack.tf/id/76561198095498092?time=1390291200 - http://backpack.tf/id/76561198095498092?time=1390377600 (seller got, then sold it same-day, so juju won't appear in backpack history)

Sale #3: http://backpack.tf/id/76561198074062253?time=1383811200 - http://backpack.tf/id/76561198074062253?time=1383897600 (seller has juju on the 7th, has pan on the 8th)

Sale #4: http://i.imgur.com/jbYxVgP.png ; http://backpack.tf/id/76561198044623594?time=1390118400 - http://backpack.tf/id/76561198044623594?time=1390204800 (buyer has luger and kabuto on the 19th, has juju on the 20th; item histories say they went to seller, other items which were sold/traded did not go to seller)

wait, you only have 4 proof of sales? that is not sufficent proof...

Why's that? Of all the Voodoo Jujus on the market, most of them are tradeable craft or uncraft jujus, and of the gifted ones available, only a portion of them are this untradeable variety.

Now, even among those, these sales represent the slim market of visible trades, as they (usually) don't often change hands. Many are being sold, but are (imo) highballed, so not actually sold, hence the long list of sellers who haven't sold them.

there are currently 12,830 un-tradable voodoo juju out there, 12,480 tradable and not uncraft, and 5,212 un-craftable voodoo juju. that means that there are only 4,862 more voodoo juju that are tradable than the non-tradable variety. And fyi, they do get traded, just not on outpost.