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Unusual Fancy Fedora Purple Energy
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Hai, konnichiwa!

5months old price, obviously it needs updating, desu ┌(┌ ^o^)┐

Proof below, make sure you read my suggestion thoroughly and vote accordingly, let's do thiiis!

*Overpay calculated / Original prices used* (・∀・)ゞ


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Sale


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17099350


seller's bp after the trade -> http://backpack.tf/id/76561198057518118?time=1389168000

sold for Smoking Bomber + S.F.Rocket + Blizz YWN + S.Caber + 8keys


buds = 19.5keys


Blizz YWN's price's outdated -> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17226041 sold for 1.5buds pure


Smoking Bomber's price's outdated as well -> http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17229969 sold for 40keys


Total Sale: ~6


**Other Sales** ―NOT USING AS PROOF―


No.1


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17524554

P.E. Fedora sold for Ghost Reggae?

(the buyer got bills + the seller got s.f.knife, but the offer was 1:1...not sure)


No.2


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17073732

P.E. Fedora(old price) + sweets for Miami El Jefe(now people are asking for 8+, but this guy was selling for 6 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17169588, which makes my suggestion correct)


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    With the only one sale you are using as proof i am not convinced this truly needs a drop. you should wait for more input but espically with the outdated prices on that sale that add up to the current range or even higherthis doesnt seem to need a drop at all.

      > Foxy Grandpa (tacoj)

      1.A sale is a sale.

      2.Taking the fact that the seller is a member(?) of TF2TRADER which is kind of a famous unusual trading community into consideration, I'm sure he knows how to trade and make profit.

      3.Most importantly, I just found another sale http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16916661 sold for 5buds 9keys pure (proof http://backpack.tf/id/76561198033143918?time=1388563200 )


      I hope you agree with my price suggestion, thanks :)

        6 buds =/= 5 buds 9 keys. That's around 5.4-5.5 buds.


        Edit: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16916661 even says it's a quicksell. Really don't think that's decent proof. That trade also was closed with only 18 views. Everything about this screams quicksell.

          > Jimmy Hunter

          I know, but 5buds 9keys looks kind of low.

          + Ah, no wonder.


          In my suggestion, No.2 (other sales) sold for Miami El Jefe and it was sold for Logo El Jefe + S.F.Scatter + sweets even though he had someone collecting 6buds for Miami El Jefe

          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17169588


          I'd say 6buds is good here.

            I was under the impression that unusuals without prices aren't usable as proof in changing a price, and that you need to set a price for it first so the proof accurately reflects it. I remember reading about this during the Robo crate effects after all the chaos surrounding them ensued. I'll see if I can find the link.


            Edit: from this thread http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/


            Unpriced/gifted/duped hats - do not assume prices or take a calculation based off the clean versions of hats.


            I believe that means it's not something you can use as proof unless you establish the unpriced hat first.

              > Jimmy Hunter

              This is called *mini-suggestion* to set a temporary price for an unusual hat using an actual sale. ( Mini-suggestions are okay to use to prove the value if only one hat is in question. - blind polar bear ( http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52e7f4174cd7b834058b456c ) ) I don't know if you like this *mini-suggestion* thing or not, but that's allowed. I'm not using the sale No.2 as proof, anyways.

                Except you've misread the bit about robo hat effects.


                Continuing to quote:


                Unpriced hats – hats that have never had a proper suggestion or have no price


                "Two sales are required to establish a range on all new hats / hats with new effects. If the two sales are discrepant, a third sale is required to determine the outlier. New effects include – 2013 summer, robo, and Halloween effects..."


                Unpriced hats with effects not including the ones listed above with only one sale in >3 months can be priced based on a single sale. It CANNOT be priced based on offers alone.


                Clearly states robo effects would need 2 sales to be considered, not 1. Now if you find another sale involving the El Miami, then it would certainly fall under it and be proof towards 6 buds.


                Merely for informational purposes in the future, as this mini-suggestion thing you're referring to doesn't involve those effects in the parameters you're discussing in this situation.

                  > Jimmy Hunter

                  Mini-suggestions are okay to use to prove the value if only one hat is in question. - blind polar bear ( http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52e7f4174cd7b834058b456c )

                  I'm not using the sale No.2 as proof, anyways.


                  + I was using mini-suggestions on DBD Burning Bandana and DBD Tsarboosh. DBD = New Effect.


                  I think you should tell admins what you think on Forums, not here since I'm not the one who makes rules on backpack.tf. This is NOT the place to talk about that. I'm tellin you again that using *mini-suggestion* is allowed.


                  No offense to you, but please comment after reading my reply and understood what I wrote / meant, thanks.

      32 of these in existance, more than one sale would be nice.

      Also: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17587187 Selling for 5 buds 15 keys and basically got sold within one day. Quite fast for 5.76~

        > Eldric Liaz

        Not sold yet ... also, I don't think that guy can collect 5buds15keys.


        I could find other sales, but I'm not useing them as proof either because they included old[non] priced hats or because they were too old to use. And I am showing a supporting proof using mini-suggestion.

        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17280606

        The set excluding the hat seems around ~1.5 buds, and the whole set sold for a cloudy moon ballcap. It's possible there was some cash involved, as this seems unusually high for this hat to go for. However, at the very least it proves this hat can go higher than 6.


        Furthermore, the extremely fast time in which the ~5.4 sale happened is indicative of a quicksell, and the other trade even goes as far as saying it is a quicksell. Overall, I feel the proof is lacking at best, and evidence is pretty inconclusive for both sides of the argument, there are just too many uncertainties.

          > Toasty

          1. If a hat currently valued at 6.5-7.3 is being sold for 5.4, prolly you will think it's a quicksell, will you not? I don't know what /how much you paid for your own P.E.Fedora, though.

          2. I don't know how much Moon Ballcap is worth now, but as you can see in my suggestion, there are 3 sales of around 6, not just one as yours. Also, almost all the offers Arceus had were unusuals with new effects which could mean they have unstable / no set prices + as you know, some people never accept new effects, which apparently decrease chances of selling, in other words, make it harder to sell.


          I want you to show more proof, or you can just make counter-suggestion yourself.

            I've had mine for several years, though I don't quite see why you bring that up, as it has no relevence to what you said preceding that. Eliminating that, I don't see the purpose of the first statement, and in fact it seems to argue against your proposed proof.


            Regarding the Jefe, that hat needs to be priced first in order to use it as proof for another. Using mini suggestions as you attempted on it would almost certainly only apply to hats that have already been priced, and the price is too out of date to be quoted directly(hence the need for a mini suggestion). New hats with no price yet most definitely need a proper suggestion to establish the value before being quoted, unless a substantial amount of proof was used in a mini suggestion, which you have not done, as only one sale is cited. Even in a proper suggestion, new hats require at the very least 2 sales for the price to be accepted, why would a "mini suggestion" be exempt from this rule? The simple answer is that it is not. They would need 2 sales as well, and being mini suggestions, that would indeed be the bare minimum in that case.


            Aside from that, the reggae(3.9-4.8) is a clear outlier(as is the moon ballcap most likely), that much is obvious. And finally, we have a trade that has all the trademark signs of a quicksell. I don't see how any part of this proof could be considered strong.


            Lastly, I'm not making a counter suggestion because, as I stated above, I don't see enough solid evidence in either case to update the price as it stands. It's all very scattered.

              > Toasty

              Please don't be offended, I just wanted to know if you have one since that sale could be used as proof as well. I really don't think that's a problem. I'm not saying that you are trying not to lower the value of the hat just because you own one...


              I'll just leave it up to admins' judgment. Thanks for you opinion.

          +++Closing+++

          found something and it has changed my mind :O

          will re-suggest soon!