Suggestion: Ellis' Cap at 1.11 ref

Conclusion: 1 ref is true quick-selling now because a lot of people is trying to buy it for 1.11. Majority of trades are 1.11 each and 1.22/1.33 can happen as well?

Feel free to counter / support my proofs.

Why would you want this hat?

But proof is proof, neutral......need a little more time to think

Aww why not, upvote

Re-crafts maybe.

I love it. I have good memories with it. I can have the over 100$ backpack because of this hat. I will marry it when I grow up.

Awesome first suggestion.

Upvote

bumping for your own needs, definitely will convince people, l4d2 was f2p at one point, everyone has an ellis, same with pan, there price should drop, not rise. -vote

Opinion =/= Proof

Bring counter proof, please. If you take a look on Outpost, you can barely see anyone selling this for 1 ref (even 1.11 ref, now it's full of 1.22 and 1.33)

I myself sold a lot of Caps for 1.22, my friend

it doesn't matter how many there are, it matters what people are selling them for.

Anyway, Upvote, good proof.

The price already dropped, this is at its low point... -score on you

Your a genius. Somebody give this man a medal

Good proof, upvote!

For a first suggestion I must say that this is pretty good and proof seems right. You have my upvote. :)

Thanks :) I have been searching proof for 6 hours, really tired now :)

1 of your Sold at 1.11 still hasn't sold it, but the rest seems good for me. i've searched a bit on Outpost and barely found any 1 Ref sellers or 1.22 Ref buyers so i think 1.11 is a good price. Upvote

What exactly is wrong with the current range? It is easy to buy them for 1 ref each, and easy to sell them for 1.11 each. You haven't proven that 1 ref is a quick sale, I buy about 5 of them every day for that price, and sell about 5 of them a day at 1.11. Until you can prove a majority of sales are being done at 1.11 and not at 1, I'm downvoting.

I've proven it

Take a look again

Quick-solds at 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17626465 (7 minutes?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17626742 (34 minutes)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627902 (Instant sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17628469 (Instant sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17629210 (Instant sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17629585 (Instant sold)

This is what I found in last 6 hours. 1 ref caps're always instant gone! So, what is your point again?

And take a look on Outpost, you will barely see anyone who is selling this hat for 1 ref (even it's hard to find 1.11)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17164458

My point is that 1 refined is still well within the range of what they can be purchased for. You are saying that 1 ref is a quick sale, which I won't disagree with, but you havent proven that there are sufficient buyers at 1.11 to show a majority of trades are being done at 1.11 refined and not at 1 refined.

Example: Trade.tf shows the majority of trades that are reported to it have them being traded at 1 refined each, not 1.11.

http://www.trade.tf/price/263/6/None

The point I'm trying to make is that to prove that 1 refined should be removed from the range, you have to prove that a majority of trades being done are for more than 1 refined, which you haven't. Your proof here is just saying that 1 Refined sells well, but you haven't proven that 1.11 sells well enough to warrant removing 1 refined from the range.

Edit:

Some more counter proof:

Unsolds at 1.11:

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10009884

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17628260

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627533

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10009717

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17624710

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17620905

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17618225

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17615373

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17605222

Last update: 29 January.

They haven't updated yet.

And I have brought some 1.11 (or above) buyers as you can see, maybe it isn't enough?

I'm not arguing that 1.11 shouldn't be in the range, the point I'm trying to make is that ellis caps are still relatively easy to buy at 1 ref each.

I mean, I'd just like to point out I have thirty ellis caps in my inventory, and I think they will soon be 1.11, but I just don't think we are at that point yet. Maybe in a few days, but just from my experience I still buy faster than I can sell them.

They are no longer easy to find any more

If you check my "Quick-buyers at 1 ref" (or check TF2Outpost 1 ref buyers), you will see most of them ain't successful at buying those caps for 1 ref each.

That's why the range should be risen up.

Looking through all the new proof, I'm more inclined to think you're right. You've more than proven with the extra proof below that 1.11 sells fast enough to be considered the current price. Change my downvote to an upvote :p

Thanks, but I still have to analyze your counter proof (Have just noticed it, how couldn't I notice it in the first place?)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10009884 Have never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17628260 Have never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627533 Solid proof

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10009717 Offline since last bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17624710 Sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17620905 Dup of the third link

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17618225 Sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17615373 Solid proof

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17605222 Not bumped

Only 2/9 of your proof are valid there, yet 2/9 of those proof supported my price so I think 1.11 is still a fine price :)

Some more proof is incoming!

Quick-solds at 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17630280 (Instant sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17630412 (5 minutes)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17630695 (Instant sold)

Solds at 1.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17629916

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17630210

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17630741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17631090

1.11 (or above) buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7418637 (1.22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17546300

Another piece of proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17631928 - 1 ref sold in 8 minutes

At first I was going to downvote, but when I looked for counterproof I realized very few of them are listed for 1 red and when they are they get grabbed instantly.

Upvote.

Oh and @ the haters, The fact that he owns multiples of this item does not invalidate the incontrovertible proof provided. As a matter of fact, a trader that often deals with a suggested item is usually a more reliable source for a given item as he will be more adept at noticing market trends.

Been awhile since I got to use that. And 11 scraps is what, like 1.22 ref? Wouldn't even be worth the time to write the suggestion.

First suggestion? Nice, way better than my first. Upvote, the proof looks good.

upvote! good proof for a first suggestion. looks quite easy to sell for 1.11+

*sees owns*Downvote. *looks at proof* Fuck. Nevermind.

Great proof for first suggestion. Upboat from me :D

upboat from me too