Suggestion: Non-Craftable Tour of Duty Ticket at 3.11–3.33 ref

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~23.33 ref

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Let's be honest with ourselves. When we see 3 ref pop up in trade.tf, you try to take the deal but then 3 other guys beat you to it. Indicating a quicksell and perhaps a price raise?

Fun fact: I searched through 10 pages in Outpost with 50 trades per page settings and found 0 available for 3 ref.

FYI: I will gladly buy all of your tickets for 3 ref.

This is mainly disproving 3 ref to be in the range, I think we already established that 3.11-3.33 sells well. Besides...trade.tf is an asshole with SCM and this is my results filtering out 100 pages. Yeah. If there's a way to disable SCM listing, please tell me.

Sales

3.11 sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17600614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17772839

3,22 ref sellers/sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17707868 - 3.11 if you buy over 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17793964

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17793192

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17791734

3.33 ref sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796554

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796302

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17792823

http://puu.sh/6MZkF.png

http://puu.sh/6MZl7.png

http://puu.sh/6MZls.png

http://puu.sh/6MZlM.png

http://puu.sh/6MZn9.png

http://puu.sh/6MZnr.png

http://puu.sh/6MZnP.png

http://puu.sh/6MZjo.png

...and then trade.tf 502 gateway'd on me. :(

Buyers

3 ref buyers (Most of them are quickbuyers)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16385169

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17752926

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17624720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17785297

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17794052

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16758770

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17587748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17718085

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17686099

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17536102

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17727848

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17663614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17688267

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17238597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17663614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17638969

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17178951

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17349335

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17671402

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17689254

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17523332

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17758766

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17439091

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17751880

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16678108

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17345359

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17766348

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17626149

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17695084

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17797144

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14723966

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17517997

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17758066

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16157833

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17708941

3.11 ref buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15172506

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17147056

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17633284

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17676767

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17676737

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17670554

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17314998

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17557260

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16512356

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17769658

Feel free to counter / support my proof. Vote based on proof presented, not blindly!

Someone was kind enough to tell me how to disable SCM listings.

3.11 sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17819631

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17808630

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799855

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17807687

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17815323 --> http://puu.sh/6NSw6.png

3.22 sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17819200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17816722

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799481

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17803128

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17815445

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17814508

3.33 sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17818438

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799445

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17797640

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796554

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17814010

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17816473 --> http://puu.sh/6NStG.png "2 in stock" Now 1 in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799774

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17815142

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17815122

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17811468 --> http://puu.sh/6NSCd.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17810341

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17810031

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17802913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17802693

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17802509

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17802443 --> http://puu.sh/6NSRV.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17800407

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17810026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17804942

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17804414

This doesn't account for sales outside of pure ref... While I completely understand those selling for only for 3 ref sell in a matter of minutes~an hour, it's still fairly easy to buy them for 3 ref. Yes it takes the time of setting up your own trade asking tickets for ref, but it does work :P

In the past 2 days, I've bought a total of 15 tickets for 6 keys. Yes, I was profiting (profits which have gone to free, open raffles), but it proves the point none the less.

A week ago, before the new price bump, I bought an additional total of 20 tickets at that same 5 tickets : 2 keys ratio.

I approached all but 1 of these people with the offer and they happily accepted. Some of their trades had been up for a few days, (some of them even advertising 5 tickets for 2 keys).

As for individual sales, I can see how 3 is a quicksell.

However, I stick by what I said when purchasing in mass (which is fairly easy considering how many people have 100+ tickets just sitting in their bp) and therefore can't gib upboat. I can provide trade pic evidence if needed.

Sticking with current range for now.

Can you show me those suppose mass sellers? Without that, I'm not convinced with your argument.

May I remind you there are multiple 3.11 buyers as well?

Here are the trades I made:

http://puu.sh/6NYx7.jpg

http://puu.sh/6NYye.jpg

http://puu.sh/6NYBF.jpg

http://puu.sh/6NYEc.jpg

As for potential sellers, I mentioned the number of people with plenty of tickets in their bp. Most selling 2 tickets for 1 key. While the upfront advertisement seems bad, these are the same people (save 1) who I asked to do 5:2 and they were fine with it.

Give me proof of those sellers. Your last two screenshots are a week old which is outdated for a commodity and even two days is sort of old.

I said they were a week old in my original comment... and finding/convincing sellers is too much work for hypothetical profit xP

Found this guy http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17086911 that apparently just today sold 15 tickets for a bills.

http://puu.sh/6O1yf.jpg

Or am I just blind.

No you're not, but as I said, these upper values get traded less and therefore are easier to buy from large suppliers. I'm just telling you what he told me xP

**It was painted black, so yea that's more in the 3.11-3.22

in his face

DEM nigga anyway upvote

I feel even 3.11 sells fast, upgoat from me.

I'm up for this, but I do see 3 ref more often than not. Price I think is good as is.

And they are quicksells, are they not? Otherwise I would buy them lol.

Not this bump again -_-

*cough* http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52a153ea4dd7b8853e8b456b

http://prntscr.com/2q97ru sold 7 here at 3.33 ref

http://prntscr.com/2q98cn and sold 16 here at 3.33 ref

both sold by a collector

Upvote

3 ref is sold instantly. Upvote.

Dunno...I get a ticket at 3 ref at least once a day and I just have my trade up for buying at 3 ref. According to probability many buyers at 3 ref get at least one ticket at 3 ref once a day...and that's a helllot of 3 ref sales/buys.

Update: Just bought another 13 tickets at 3 ref each; can provide screenshot if required.

He's just going to say it was a quicksell, read the conversations (if you can call it that) on the bottom to see what I mean. I would avoid talking to him altogether. Will just end up in circles.

Screenshot would be helpful

Not trusting me, eh? Well, here you go: http://i.imgur.com/OfIKdcK.png

http://dispenser.tf/trade/77994/ had 50. i bought 13. now he's restocked so idk how much he has actually sold.

How does that make sense? His price is 3.11-3.33.

Looks like I saw the wrong thing O_o sry its late Upvote >.<

It's quite easy to buy for 3 ref flat...

http://i.imgur.com/fd7eHty.png - 1

http://i.imgur.com/fobsZsU.png - 6

http://i.imgur.com/ANRvOXi.png - 19

http://i.imgur.com/dXlaDsA.png - 1

http://i.imgur.com/fd7eHty.png - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17567795 - remember this mass seller? Sold fuck tons.

That's 29. In one day. At 3 refined each. Sorry mate, downvote.

Literally all of those links are a week old, when 3-3.33 ref was proposed. Those are outdated for a commodity.

Besides: You are a quickbuyer. You resell for profit no? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17670351

Please read this quickbuyer thread here: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/969-psa-how-to-help-identify-quicksell-buyer-trades/

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17567795

-Sold out 3 days ago...

Damn right i'm a quickbuyer, and i haven't been getting a lot of luck selling for profit

Yes I know he sold out. It shows that people still sell for 3 ref. Kinda.

I searched through 10 pages in Outpost with 50 trades per page settings and found 0 available for 3 ref.

Kodorin, that's a blatant lie. You don't even have to search hard to find 3 ref sellers.

Selling for 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16272912 - Mass seller. Hasn't had much trouble buying for 2 ref either. (This might of been on in the sale, but he's still selling and buying)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17116548 - Mass seller, 4 weeks.

Unsolds/Bad time selling at 3.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17480004 - in 2 weeks autobumping he has sold 4.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/132299 - Autobumping for 3 days, no sale.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17745000 - has 2 in inv, don't even know if it sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17794535 - hasn't sold (even though you claim that 3.11 - 3.33 sells "well)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17803128 - 3.22, Not sold.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17768428 - 1 day up, no sales :/

Kodorin my friend, it's an easy downvote for me.

Lol, I'll gladly buy for 3 ref anyday bro.

Your 3 ref sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16272912

-Bot offline for 28 days, none in stock anyways.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17116548

-Offline for 20 days

I don't see your point with 3.33. I'm only saying that it's merely available at that proposed price and it's possible to sell at that price as well.

So basically your counterproof is terrible and you didn't prove anything.

Now its time to dive into your links (please correct me if I make a mistake)

3.33 "sellers"

1) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796554 - Still in his invetory.

2) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17796302 - He's selling. He hasn't even sold!!!!!

3) He sold one for 3.33? The same guy that sold 6 for 3 ref each?http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17777812. Check the history bud :)

3.22 "sellers"

1) Legit

2) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17793964 - Not sold? 2 In his invetory, one's untradable. Yeah we can't assume it's sold without some proof :(

3) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17793192 - In his invetory.

4) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17791734 - Only sold one, not two.

I'm tired, i'll do some more later if michael puddington hasn't accepted it

Uh, it's merely representing the availability.

http://puu.sh/6NRJX.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17632822

I sold 2 for 3.33 (1 is overpay), and the other one sold to a friend for 3 Refs. Those sales was instantly.

I like how you say you are "quickselling" in your trade when it's the highest bp price...

Yes, me too xD

But I do that just when I need metal fast... And works completely! Lol.

Supporting the upvote with: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17847120

Sold one easily for 3.33 and the other 3 for overpay in items, but the guy counts the tickets as 3.33. I'm not sure if I must downvote or upvote, because 3.11 is a quicksell definitely, but 3 refs is out of context...

I agree, I just put a classified on bp.tf for 3.11, sold within 3 minutes

So many people are willing to sell them at 3 ref and you want to take that out of the range because you consider them quicksells? That just sounds dumb imo. If trades are being made at 3 ref, why take that out of the range?

There has been a decent amount of ppl on classified selling at 3 ref (though I think most are just 1-3 tickets). Not sure how you can check past postings on classified since they are bought pretty quickly (quicksell you say?) but just mentioned this since I know ppl will comment on proof needed on my statement. Regardless if ppl are still selling at 3 ref it should still be in the range.

http://puu.sh/6NUWF.jpg

I don't see any at 3 ref?

that's what i said, there have been some at 3 ref but ppl buy them and therefore wont appear on it now. If there's somehow a history of classifieds it will show it.

Yes...yes...I'm betting it's a quicksell.

Because they would be taken instantly. aka a quicksell.

meaning there are still sellers at 3 refs. Don't get this quicksell loop we're in.

Sellers? Give me proof that there's sellers.

Dude I just said twice that if there was a history of postings for classifieds you will find them there. I'm sure other ppl have seen them too. I wouldn't be able to get those even if a history of classifieds exists unless you want me to hack the site somehow.

keiser recently was selling a ton for 3 ref http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17567795 , there were others I found however I didn't bookmark them from a few days back. I saw some on classifieds like in the past few days for 3 ref (once again, I'll say it for the 5th time that I can't get a hold of the history of classifieds).

>Recently

>3 days ago.

All you did was copy and pasted Ward's crappy counterproof.

u made this suggestion a day ago, that was closed 3 days ago, it isn't that far off. Most of the 3 ref are being sold on classified.

And no I didn't copy and paste anything. i didn't even read any counter-proofs, just what you wrote in this suggestion.

I'm reflecting the current market price. 2-3 days ago =/= right now.

1 mass seller. Great. Did you read how many comments that said "added"? Now he's gone, none in the market for 3 ref.

After explaining 10 times, I think he now somewhat understands that proof from classifieds disappear once bought. Now we've moved onto the him spamming all of them are quicksales stage. I also found out from him that outpost is the market and bp.tf is not the market and should not be considered as proof because it conveniences him that way. Totally not a waste of time talking to that guy.

Is he disliking your comments too? Didn't see that coming

What about my proof showing 29 tickets bought in one day? Is that "Crappy" as well?

Yes, because THEY ARE A WEEK OLD, INVALID AND OUTDATED.

All three of you need to calm down; this is a verbal warning. Any further childish behavior and I'm going to start handing out bans

I would agree with you if there were absolutely no sellers at 3 ref or little to none, but I still see 3 ref for sellers. There will always be quicker sales at the lower end of the range of bp.tf for profit. Why should it be classified as a quicksale if 3 ref sellers still exist? Just my opinion

even 3.33 goes fast...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17823712

I'm sure some ppl will buy them at 3.33. My point is that 3 ref should still be in the range as ppl are still selling them at 3. Of course they will sell quicker than ones at 3.33, it's ez profit. I don't get why 3 ref should be removed from the range though.

You're not giving proof that people RIGHT NOW are selling for 3 ref.

I don't rly know another way I can say that a history of classifieds can't be found (at least by me). I get your point but you're just saying it over and over again.

Therefore your whole argument is invalid if you can't give me competent proof that there's any sellers for 3 ref. Good day.

I can't personally give you the proof, but it DOES EXIST, maybe brad pitt has the records somewhere if classified history exists.

I am actually with Amen this time. Downvote..

There,

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198114959988

selling 10 for 3 ref each, like I said the proof does exist, better look at it before it disappears from the classified history

Sold out in less 30 minutes. That was fast.

You are forgetting some important notes.

a. If that link you provided alone did not convince you that was not a quicksale, then I don't know anymore. He had 10 and sold out.

b. There are so many buyers for 3 ref. If I wanted to quicksell a ticket for 3 ref, I can just dump it here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/191010080 First page in Outpost, I found 5 buyers readily available. You WILL find one buying for 3 ref in the first page of Outpost.

c. If b. did not convince you, there are 3.11 buyers. Many

d. 3 ref is no longer a very commonly traded price anymore.

It's just so painfully obvious that 3 ref is a major MAJOR quicksell. You try selling one for a change.

Hope it cleared some things up.

My point is that you will find 3 ref being sold on classified at a decent rate. You asked for proof, I'm trying to give u it even though I can't backtrack all the 3 ref tickets being sold since they get deleted once they are bought. There are still a decent amount of 3 ref sellers so why should it be removed from the range. He sold out because 3 ref is the low range, of course ppl want items on the low range. Why is it a quicksell if there are ppl selling at 3 ref and 3 ref is in the current range of tickets?

p.s. yes I know ur gonna say they're quicksells for the hundredth time, but 3 ref is still in the range for sale. Pretty evident imo. So what if ppl are buying at 3.11? Doesn't change the fact that ppl are still selling at 3.

How is it a MAJOR quicksell is 3 ref is in the current range?

For someone with a bluestar, I'm surprised u didn't know items disappear from classified once they are bought

Oh...haha I know why you keep having 3 ref in your mind.

You're using bible.tf. Get out of it. Backpack.tf attempts to follow the market, not dictate it. Low-end should NOT sell in less than 30 minutes.

Q: "So what if ppl are buying at 3.11? Doesn't change the fact that ppl are still selling at 3."

A: It actually proves a lot of things. It shows that 3 ref sellers are uneducated or just bluntly stupid to search for 3.11 buyers when there's bots readily available higher than their original 3 ref price. And they can still buy a lot more, which proves current price is too low.

Q: "How is it a MAJOR quicksell is 3 ref is in the current range?"

A: It isn't, I'm changing bible.tf's price :)

Q: "For someone with a bluestar, I'm surprised u didn't know items disappear from classified once they are bought"

A: Yes I do know, removed in less than 30 minutes. I'm starting to think you don't know what a word "quicksell" means.

What? Now it's just getting ridiculous trying to talk to you. This is why I tend to avoid commenting on this site as I usually just get these types of answers. What are you even talking about with attempts to follow the market? It seems all your proof is from outpost. Are you saying outpost is defined solely as the market and backpack should just follow it? In case you didn't know bp.tf is also part of this market and proof should be taken and considered from both (or more).

Now you're just turning this into a joke. You asked for some sorta proof, I gave you something to work with. I tried answering all your questions, all you say is whatever this bible crap ur spewing out to answer my questions for you.

Now it's time to jump into your other links.

3.33 "sellers"

1)Legit

2) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799445 - Didn't sell. The SAME ID is still in his invetory.

3) Legit

4) INVALID. You've already got this link.

5) Sold 2 for 7 6.66. Isn't bumping anymore.

6) Legit

7) Legit

8) Sold one

9) Legit

10) sold 4 not 6

11) sold 1, bumped regulary. It's obviously not quicksold then.

12) Legit

13) Still in his inventory?

I can't be arsed to look through the rest of your links, so i'll leave you with this

http://i.imgur.com/rQEcZCG.png - Bought one.

I don't see what's your problem. If they sold one, then it's legit.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17799445 - he had 3.33 new ref in his backpack, he has multiple.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17802913 - uh 1 in stock, erased 1 ticket?

You don't need to say "legit" to like 10 links, it's just a wall of text that just wastes everyone's time.

So really you invalidated 1 out of 13 links.

And you bought one for 3 ref. Big whoop. There's 3.11 buyers still actively buying. and you resell for profit as well. Show me those screenshots eh? I think we both know you sold multiple for 3.33, probably more than bought.

1) 3 links were invalid.

2) If your trade is having trouble selling at 3.33 when i'ts been autobumping for at least 12 hours, then 3.33 isn't really the best price. even though they sell. eventually

How about provide the actual links? That way I can improve.

lol, that's because I resell. I'm glad you asked, let me show you my recent sales.

http://puu.sh/6OskO.png

http://puu.sh/6Oslw.png

If inventory histories was working properly, I would've taken more.

"yet you keep on ignoring my points and continue to be ignorant"

Look in the mirror dude. If you didn't actually care about virtual points, you would actually try and have an open mind in conversations. You clearly don't.

I actually understand that you think it's all quicksales, and I'm saying 3 ref is selling on classifieds at a decent rate with the odd so on outpost. You just spam QUICKSALE after everything I say. How am I the one being ignorant?

Then when you don't want to have an actually conversation about this, you spam that bible thing and say outpost is the market whereas proof from bp.tf shouldn't count. Wow that gets you nowhere!

Then it's "I'm certain this will pass," but I don't care about my virtual points. That's great and all, please learn how to have an actual constructive conversation next time. You just have one mind set and don't care for other opinions/facts.

What you said made 0 sense at all. Please stay in topic instead.

Not surprised seeing a response like this.

All three of you need to calm down; this is a verbal warning. Any further childish behavior and I'm going to start handing out bans

.......wut?

I'm wondering why I wasted my time talking to this guy in the first place. Is him spamming quicksale and me trying to explain 10 times that the proof disappears from classifieds when they're bought not entertaining enough for you? So interesting....

How the fuck can my pics showing 29 buys in one day be INVALID because they're one week old? Seriously? The price was still the same! If it was 1 month then yeah i'd understand.

Jesus Christ, how about don't get butthurt and try not to ignite a flame war? You need to calm down and act rationally.

I already told you this twice, it's outdated for a commodity. This is an item that gets traded hundreds a day. A very commonly traded price. Not only is it outdated because it's a week old, you are a quickbuyer, you resell for profit.

I'm seriously done explaining to you if you don't get this.

Im not mad...

SO hold the hell on, price should go up because 3 ref is a quick sell and 3.11 is a more common price? but i thought 3 ref was more common than 3.11 (well, it's easy to buy singles for 3, that's what I do)

and it#s outdated by 1 week because it#s so common

that's what you're saying?

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/

"Trades which are old usually do not support present prices: the price list represents the market as it is now, not then. "Old" generally refers to any trade 1-2 weeks old. This point is less important for prices which have not been recently updated, and for slow-selling items (most G items and almost any item worth 2 keys or more)."

http://backpack.tf/vote?showrules=1

"Invalid proof examples -- Quickbuyer or quickseller trades"

okay so you call it quickselling, others call it the low end price.

Quicksell it not a noun, it's a verb, an action.

I'm glad you agree.

http://i.imgur.com/W4vICRI.png - 12 at 3 ref just now

Nice! I wish I can have the same customers you have.

put up a trade and hope for the best c:

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198044590470

Oh look more for 3 ref each..... it's as if ppl are willing to sell these at 3 ref each or something and at a decent rate? What?

After reviewing the proof, it appears that this are still commonly traded for 3 ref. Certainly we need to be wary of how long items take to sell, and of bulk buys skewing the results, but it appears that buyers at 3 can still be successful in reasonable quantities.

Several of your 3.11 buyers are old (and given how volatile ToDs were after the sale, it is a given they adjusted their prices). One is a duplicate, and another is currently not buying.

It's a similar situation to keys; many people are willing to sell for a lower price because of the convenience of the number. While these may warrant an increase in the near future, the evidence shows that the current range represents the market fairly well.