Suggestion: It's a Secret to Everybody Old Guadalajara at 117 keys

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~425 keys

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10 month old price. 8.5-10. New price: 6.

No real good offers on Outpost. All unusuals offered are outdated.

SALES

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17219297

http://backpack.tf/id/76561198021832264?time=1390723200

-Sold for 6 pure.

Feel free to counter / support my proof. Vote based on proof presented, not blindly!

Is 1 sale enough to change the price?

Besides, it was clearly a quicksale, he said he's cashing out and was willing to take a lot less for pure. It is a very sharp decrease, especially when the BO's on the remaining 3 hats are 10 buds.

Downvote from me. En Taro Adun, Zeratul

Unusuals are a different story, my friend.

It's not a quicksale, it took 15 days to achieve that sale.

B/O's means NOTHING on unusuals, unless there are offers.

And yes, 1 sale is enough for a rare hat that doesn't get traded enough. Also En Taro Adun Fenix <3

IF you look at the offers, some of them are way above your suggested price.

Declined offers (There's way more, these ranges are not accurate to determine the price):

From http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17914705

Beams Merry + 1 buds (7-7.6)

Hellfire Dapper Topper

Darkblaze Chieftans Set, Plus 6 Keys

From

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17519524

Stormy 13th Hour Defiant Spartan (8.4-9.3)

Miami Wraith Wrap (8.3-9.7)

Secret Little Buddy (6.6-8.2)

Antifreeze Nappers (6.7-7.5)

GBH Honcho (8.7-9.4)

Terror watt buccaneer's bicorne + Stormy 13th the hour birdcage and 7 keys (4-4.5 + 4.7-5.4 + 7 keys)

Some of these offers are as new as 1 weeks old. There are offers from even 4 days ago.

I think your range is way too low. Looking at the offers, it could have easily gone for much more, but the owners are reluctant to let it go for lower. And now you're suggesting to reduce it by 40%. Doesn't make sense.

About the offers being outdated: a lot of unusuals are outdated but it doesn't prevent people from using those prices as a guide.

ps. 15 days is not a long time to sell an unusual for pure. Especially if it's a rare one. It may as well be a case of not enough people being exposed to it, rather than the hat having an incorrect price.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

"Hats with an outdated price (>3 months old) are not valid proof."

If you can do a minisuggestion, then you can destroy this suggestion ;)

I did not check for every single hat, but it is clearly getting offers much more than 6. Be reasonable.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17662860 - B/O 5 pure for Sunbeams Merry, 3 weeks, clean

More than half of them are 7+ old price, how can it be used reliably?

He's (beams merry's owner) also saying it's a quicksell.

I don't know if you've realized, but unusual sales haven't been thriving lately. This shouldn't mean you should start chopping their prices in half based on people who want to cash out though.

Quicksell is a verb, not a noun. So Quicksale definition is not selling an item for 3 weeks? Ok.

I hope you realized it took him 15 days to receive 6 pure, regardless of him cashing out or not.

The seller also declined a DBD Ubersternmann, which has an updated value of 7.9-9.8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/196039368

http://backpack.tf/unusuals/Das%20Ubersternmann

And look at the other offer he got. He was clearly asking for pure, and willing to quicksell it because he is cashing out. How long it took is a matter of exposure and demand. The fact that the buyer is selling it for 10 again should also be considered.

And you can see this seller is failing to sell for 7 pure for a month

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17073773

So no, that offer won't destroy this suggestion sadly.

Regardless, it's the "updated price" bp.tf has. Where does it say that if a hat hasn't been sold for a month it cannot be used as a counterproof?

Even that guy (dbd uber) has declined 7 pure.

Anyways, I think this suggestion is reducing the price too much, based on the sheer amount of offers that were declined, and the sellers' comments.

In response to

"Quicksell is a verb, not a noun. So Quicksale definition is not selling an item for 3 weeks? Ok.

I hope you realized it took him 15 days to receive 6 pure, regardless of him cashing out or not."

Please don't pull an Aristotle, grammar is not the issue here. Perhaps he changed the trade to pure 1 day before, you can never know how long it took him to sell it unless you ask. Even if it did take x amount of days, it's still a "quicksale" based on the current price.

Peace out.

It's a "minisuggestion". Also the cheat sheet says to stay away from 3 month old prices, especially from new effects.

If you have concerns, you should add me, this dragging out far too long lol.

Regarding your edited comment about quicksell, it does not matter. As I said before, B/Os mean nothing. 15 days is not a quicksale, even for a high-tier unusual. It does not matter how much % I drop it by, I personally think any price with 6+ month old price should be removed.

I believe you are mistaking the word "quicksell" with outliers more like. Don't misuse those words. I do not believe it is an outlier, considering it took him 15 days to get 6 pure, and offers...don't use backpack.tf as a bible. We both know that those cancer effects is definitely not 8.