Suggestion: Taunt: The High Five! at 1–1.1 keys

1 key does sell fast ,but look at this sellers at 1 key ,but as I have said i'm not quite sure. I'll leave this to the admins if they'll accept or not.

Some more proof (Kinda):

1 key sellers/solds:

(Sellers)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364513

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359372

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18358309

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18362119

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18350325

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18350123

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18348492

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18355324

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18355272

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18353954

http://bazaar.tf/trade/711970

(Solds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18343440

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18362969

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18361723

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18340872

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18353376

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359577

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359189

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359539

Having a hard time making a decision if I should close this. My brain says I should close this for the sure quicksell of a 1 key high five sellers ,but the guts tell me I shouldn't because of the amounts of sellers everday.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364641 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364513 fine

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359372 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18358309 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18362119 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18350325 bumped two hours after creation, day old now

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18350123 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18348492 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18355324 instasell (not in bp)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18355272 never bumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18353954 meh ok, but hasn't been bumped in 4 hours (in proportion to creation time, this is poorly bumped but eh)

http://bazaar.tf/trade/711970 fine

could've been quicksells if they bumped properly? (obviously referring to the poorly/never bumped marked ones)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18343440 instasell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18362969 40minute sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18361723 instasell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18340872 bout an hour to sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18353376 instasell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359577 took several hours to sell (so maybe valid?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359189 hard to tell for this one as there's other stuff being sold in the same trade, won't pass judgement here

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359539 few hours to sell

showing 1 key is a quicksell, doesn't help your case

Sold mine for 1 key + 1 ref within a few hours: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18273130

Outlier perhaps? Maybe I should resuggest for 1-1.2keys

I got a random add 2 days ago looking to buy one for 8 ref even though I didn't even have one.

Probably because you did a previous price suggestion on it.

*cough* happens to me all the time *cough* >_>

1 Key + 1 Ref is 1.1 Keys really, not 1.2 Keys...

There are a lot of quicksellers/solds for 1 Key, and 1.2 Keys seems unable to sell. Maybe 1.1 Keys flat will be best.

1.15 keys is 1 key 1 ref which is the average of the current range. Thus, if 1 key 1 ref is still selling well the current range is spot on

After looking this over once more, I think 1 key + 1 ref gets traded often enough that the high end should be 1.15 keys. I don't have an issue with the low end of 1 key. Perhaps my opinion is colored by my experience with this item, so you might wait for another mod to comment. But I think 1-1.15 is better.

There are just too much coming out on Live Deals via trade.tf. I do think this Taunt needs to drop to 1-1.1 keys.

Upvote

This is because 1 key 1 ref and 8 ref now comes through in the live deals now that key prices have gone up previously these would have been at 0% profit and wouldn't have displayed

With that much sales at 1 key, I don't think the range now is right. Yes, I agree with you that it sells quick, but still, there are more 1 key sales than 1.1 keys.

Fair enough, I think 1.1 key flat would be better, but we'll see what happens hey? :)

Seems like half your 1 key are sold or poorly bumped still seems like a quicksell to me.

Some new 1 key Sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18304023

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18303039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18306054

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18306034

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10046864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300123

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300887

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18303039

1 key sells fast ,but look at all the sellers. 1-1.1 key is a valid range now even if the low range sells quick.

Link 1 - selling at 1 key 1 ref

Link 2 - sold within a day

Link 3 - sold within a day

Link 4 - sold without a bump

Link 5 - sold (no idea when)

Link 6 - sold within a day

Link 7 - sold within 8 hours

Link 8 - same as link 2

My own personnel sales in the last 5 hours

At 1 key

http://bazaar.tf/trade/709637

http://bazaar.tf/trade/709634

http://bazaar.tf/trade/709354

http://bazaar.tf/trade/709152

http://imgur.com/MhjZoAL

http://imgur.com/sbSxr4o

At 1.1 keys

http://imgur.com/7m6c1mW

1 key seems like a massive quicksell to me still

Sales followed by the time it took to sell

Sales at 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18321546 - within 1 hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18314557 - within 6 hours (trader admitted leaving it up even though it was sold so actual time for sale unknown)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18313431 - no bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18310117 - 50 mins

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18308661 - no bump (7.33 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18308517 - 1 hour 50 mins

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18306034 - no bump

http://bazaar.tf/trade/708246 - within 4 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300970 - no bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300300 - no bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300123 - 18 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18299227 - within 2 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18298736 - 1 hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18298088 - no bump

Sales at 1.1 keys (1 key 2 rec)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18313191 - no bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18300192 - 16 hours

Sales at 1.15 keys (1 key 1 ref)

There's a bunch of these as well but I'm going out, someone else might get them for me, otherwise watch this space for my glorious return!

As promised sales at 1.15 (1 key 1 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18307966

http://imgur.com/ZNO2BWJ

http://imgur.com/MVDABHO

http://imgur.com/k1UL4Tm

http://imgur.com/0jmvu0n

http://imgur.com/aXSGz2B

tthem counterproofs

Bought one for 1 key today.

Though it took quite some time to find a buyer.

Upvote

not feeling comfortable with 1key as the low end since it seems to have been proven that 1key is a quicksell

Good amount of proof. Upvote 👍

Good Proof : Upvote

(Now all these items are going down this is how the economy is going to slowly crash, still upvote)

for those of you guys saying "good amount of proof", that may be, but may want to take a look at the counter proof provided... (and the notations made by people for some of the suggester's proof showing them to be quicksells)

Todays 1 key Sellers/Solds:

(Sellers)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10050865- 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374766 - 1 key (2)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18382125 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380880 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380209 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18378526 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364641 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374700 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374483 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374248 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375205 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377947 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377261 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18376986 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380705 - 1 key

http://bazaar.tf/trade/713467

(Solds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18379032 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377079 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375022 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18376707 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375287 - 1 key

Maybe that can change your mind?

(Solds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18379032 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377079 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375022 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18376707 - 1 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375287 - 1 key

s'all quicksolds

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10050865- young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374766 - 5+ hours offline

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18382125 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380880 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380209 - young and banned

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18378526 - young, unbumped so far

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18364641 - day old, never bumped so far

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374700 - 9hours young, bumped 8 hours go, I'm the 9th viewer....

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374483 - young, 4hours offline

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18374248 - 9hours young, last bumped 5 hours ago, 12th viewer be me

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18375205 - 8hours young, bumped 7 hours ago, 12viewer be me again

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377947 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18377261 - 6hours young, never bumped so far

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18376986 - 6hours young again, never bumped so far again

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380705 - young

http://bazaar.tf/trade/713467 young

too early to tell if they'll be quicksells

Maybe you should point your eyes on the one key sellers not the solds. Not only that check my other 1 key seller up top.

see my 4minute old edit vs. your less than a minute old comment on that :P

edit: as requested, I took a look at 1key sellers up top, see my new comment (for posterity, I made this comment originally at bout 8:22 pm 3/4/2014 EST)

Why can't you guys understand that 1 key is a common price for this now in tf2outpost? Heck i've proven that in the last 4 days. Showing all the 1 key sellers/solds of everyday since i made this suggestion.

because 1key looks like a quicksell frankly. you've also been counterproven kinda by somebody :X

I'm showing my point this should go down because 1 key isn't an "Instasolds" and with 1 key is not even in the range. Why did it not instasolds?

1key is an instasell according to the majority of the proof you provided categorized under 1key sold. quicksells (instasells) do not prove your point here, they don't really work as proof for lowering. and again, for all those 1key sellers who aren't sold, the vast majority are either young or never bumped :| they either have missed due to poor bumping or haven't had the chance to be shown to be a quicksell or not

Then tell me then. Why have the admins not close this if 1 key is an quicksell? It's because I have some proof 1 key is fairly common. Heck I even think this should close ,but everyday i just check trade.tf and find a big amount of sellers for this ,making me go back and prove that this should go down. and why dislike my comments? If I ever offend you sorry ,but defending my suggestion is my priority.

Oh and I just found this:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18382339

Doens't help a lot ,but proof is proof.

Just a different opinion mate :) Just for reference there are 90 - 110 trades opened for this everyday so it's not surprising that some trades fall through the gaps when they're poorly bumped, even if they are below backpack.tf price

i sold one in less than 4 hours for 1 key+1 ref: http://i.imgur.com/8eXwwSH.png

also sold this for 1 key+1.44 ref like 3 weeks ago: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17770667

and 1 key goes very fast

Another couple of counter proofs:

Sold at 1.1 keys (bottom of the range) *lol he said bottom*

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18380705 - within 10 hours

http://imgur.com/tSjpBdt - within 9 hours

Sold at 1.15 keys (1 key 1 ref)

http://imgur.com/I9bNBpb

Sold at 1.2 keys (Top of the range)

http://bazaar.tf/trade/713294

I think i'm at a stand still now. I won't do anything else for this suggestion unless someone ask for me to provide more proof.

I'll just leave it to the admins to decide. Hopefully by tomorrow I can see what happens to this suggestion ,be it accepted or not. Oh and nice reference Napolean :P

:D I think you're right, tough call for the admins

i thought it allready was on a key :p

I suppose "counterproof" is not really worthy as far as Stealth provided tons of proof for his suggestion. A couple of links of counterproof can't overtake the economy.

What is more, I think that this taunt is in very high demand, that's why it sells pretty quick. But 1-1.1 range is the right one. 1.2 solds are outliers, not the range.

Upboat!

p.s. Napoleon, 1 key + 1 ref = 1.1 key estimating that 1 key = 7.05 ref. It's all about Maths.

I addressed this above but i guess i can say it again :) 1 key 1 ref is 1.15 keys, the average of the current range. Thus, if 1 key 1 ref is still selling well then current range is spot on, if its not then its not :)

1 key 1 ref is 1.1 key if we round to 1 decimal place. Cos 8.05/7.05 = 1.14

Yes, but that is inaccurate, see these price suggestions where the most traded price was 1 key 1 ref and the range accepted 1.1-1.2 keys

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/52de28324cd7b86c758b456c

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/530004cf4dd7b878468b4568

1.14 is closer to 1.15 than it is to 1.10 you realize

I said "if we round to 1 decimal place". Can you see the difference?

no I know you did, but napoleon's point is that it's closer to 1.15 therefore being out of the suggested range :|

The problems with key priced items xD As dr1ftec says rounding off makes sense, but people consider 1 key 1 ref as 1.1 key. ,as well as 1.2 key. So as i said it really depends on the admins if they want to accept it or not. People are going to fight over the key priced items until the price of keys are made to an even number.

~~I tried to save Santa by downvoting the Kringle Collection around last October... I couldn't do it alone, George. They killed him, and killed him dead. ;~;~~

That's a lot of proof for one key, but I will remain neutral for now.

B/c it is much easier to down vote something than to bump something. Normally, I click the on checks for all the downing votings without even a blink, and I believe most people do the same thing. And that is why the bp pricing system is absolute BS!!!

the admins go in and check all the proof/ comments before passing a suggestion through. people going through and clicking all the checks for decreasing price votes as you do is why they have to do this you realize? a fair amount of the bptf community don't actively participate with comments/ feedback and I've seen plenty with voting success rates at very low percentages because they probably blindly vote without bothering to check on anything

Keys miscs are going down because key prices keep rising for no reason.

they're rising because *speculation time* more players -> more weapon drops -> more metal crafts -> more metal in the market/economy -> metal is devalued -> keys have steady price at 2-2.5 USD ish, more metal is needed to reach the real world money value of keys

edit: also this isn't a misc, you're mixing your item types up

It appears that 1 key occurs too frequently to leave out of range, even if it's daringly close to quicksell. There's some contention over the high range being 1.1 keys instead of 1.15, but that comes down to a matter of rounding to one decimal point rather than two- certianly not worth closing a suggestion over against all proof and votes. If anyone feels that strongly over the inclusion of the extra decimal place, feel free to countersuggest after the fact.

Accepting.