Suggestion: Strange Persian Persuader at 0.33–0.66 ref

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~3.16 ref

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967 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 18 Mar 14 05:13:58 +0000 by [GIRL] Mr. Bucket.

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Hi.

Strange Persian Persuader

6 Months old price

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Sold :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17560988 1 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15512621 0.44 ref check the newest commetns got afew buyer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17993176 0.66 ref sold more than 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17694565 0.44 ref sold more than 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18019478 0.44 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18398678 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18323969 0.55 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223941 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627295 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18191354 0.44 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18112690 0.44 ref seems sold more than 1 according to comment and trade history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17724725 0.55 ref got 2 http://prntscr.com/2x8pxu but now gow 1 in his/her bp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18197208 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18167158 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18189413 0.33 and a wep

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18392735 0.66 ref

http://prntscr.com/30q5r4 0.44 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18535904 0.44 ref

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Offers :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17984590 0.33 ref rejected offer

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18295180 offered 0.44 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17388821 offered 0.33 no respond check the newest offers

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http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52d202934dd7b8bf088b456a

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you fawked up this time..

I think you're misunderstanding this suggestion folks. He's not making it 0.66 flat, he's adding 0.66 to the range and leaving 0.33 in it. Yes, you can go out and buy one for 0.33 but you can also sell it for 0.66 as 2+2 has proven. Upvote from me.

If you look at the analysis of the proof, there are very few sales that would prove .66 sells, considering most are well outside of the timeline we use. It's not about the range. It's about the fact that .66 sells very rarely.

This would be convincing if you didn't own so many of them...

Trying to up your bp value isn't going to earn you many supporters

downvote

1. Even if this did increase, his backpack metal count would go up maybe ~12 refined

2. Even if this didn't go up, he would still try and might be able to sell at 0.66 ref, which is what he's trying to prove here.

3. Just because it says backpack.tf's price is .33 doesn't mean it's not possible to sell for more

With this being said, I didn't upvote.

Considering lots of key rising suggestions have people who own 100's of keys starting the suggestion still get passed, this shouldn't be any different.

For key suggestions, having keys should not be a factor as keys act as currency and are essential for trading. So most traders have a stock of them. But having some other item in such large numbers is strange because only reason to have so much of it is because either you are a collector or you want a profit.

This guy bought 136 of these for .33 each http://steamcommunity.com/id/00656/

Downvoate C:

He's not removing .33 from the range or claiming that S. Persians can't be bought at that price, but rather that they can be sold for .66, and is including that price point in the range.

No offense but I believe that you wouldn't even consider putting this up for suggestion with these kind of proof if you didn't own more than 100+

Going through your links and counter-proof this item really does not need a bump to 0.66 ref at the moment. Also, 0.33 is still the most common price.

More 0.33 ref sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18618453

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16294320

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18541490

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18612369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18616662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18586302

Failed 0.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18140193

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Just from the 1st and 2nd page of Outpost I found tons of 0.33 recent sellers. Not going to go through Bazaar and other trading sites. This definitely does not need a bump and 0.33 is still the most traded price.

With that being said, I don't know why this is still open with poor proof and tons of counter-suggestion.

Decelerating the speed of the boat.

So , you bought almost all of those 136 persuaders for 0.33 in the past 4 days , woah quite high right?

Also from your "proof"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223941 4 months old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627295 1 month old , and has an add for "0.55"

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18167158 2 weeks old , sold but just closed 5 days so apparently took more than a week to actually sell for 0.66 maybe? isnt a comment confirming it either.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17993176 Just sold one , got 3 left and the trade its 3 weeks old.

I dont know , it doesnt seems than 0.66 its a common price and if selling for than currency apparently it will be a pain in the ass to sell , 0.33 its still the most common price and it have plenty of sellers that would love to sell for it , as noted YOU BOUGHT 130+ at 0.33 each IN FOUR DAYS.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18491318

Downvote for me , until i see more 0.66 solds , and long-time strange traders isnt really 100% legit proof on my thoughs. Lets put it this way , if you have ANY strange in sale for 2-3 weeks even a month it is most likely going to be sold for a bit more than its currency and that would be a problem because if we base strange pricing on that then we will have to upper each one of them existing in the game.

no i had most of them from long time ago it was just in my other accounts and i removed recently to this account trade history :

http://prntscr.com/30qtfi some thing over 100

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223941 the one u said 4 month old got a buyer 4 days old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18167158 2 weeks old , sold but just closed 5 days so apparently took more than a week to actually sell for 0.66 maybe? isnt a comment confirming it either. that might be also coz of bumping poorly coz as u see got only 24 views ye?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17993176 Just sold one , got 3 left and the trade its 3 weeks old. Sold 2

here http://prntscr.com/30qwr1 they from my other account

so , its a possibility that you even own more in another alts accounts? woah , didnt though of it its like a big scale manipulation who knows what is the real number of persuaders you own. And probably you bought them for 0.33 can be less even i can affirm , so houndreds sales at 0.33 vs 3-4 -ish suspect sales for 0.44-0.66 its enough for you to make a range? i think its not sir.

0.33 its by far the most common price for it and there is no reason to change it , unless for now.

Dont push an items price just because you own shit ton of them ( or if its the case , provide legit proof) , think about all those sacrificated buyers that are willing to buy an strange they will like to use , and harvesting every scrap to reach their goal.

He's used alts on bp.tf to manipulate prices, recently was unbanned...

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198117525695

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198108819175

How did you make 2 alt accounts with the same name?

only if steam allowed that... wait, they do, cause accounts have different ID's, names don't really count.

Has was banned for 1 day for using his alt to suggest and not his main 3 months ago, that's it.

Some of those trades are ages ago / invalid proof ( http://puu.sh/7v5KP.png ) o.o

0.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15512621 - 4 months ago, wat ?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17694565 - 2 weeks ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18019478 - 3 weeks ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18471496 - 5 days ago

0.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18398678 - a week ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18392735 - a week ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627295 - a month ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223941 - 4 months ago.

Actually, ALL of your trades is longer than a week ago, which isnt a valid proof, Please provide a valid proof that's sold in less than 1 week..

though the same , kinda suspect that he bough that massive ammount of persuarders in just a few days and then out of the suddent , upper the price with old trades as prove.

now hes trying for 0.33-0.66 , then 0.66-1.00 , 1.00-1.33 and rec by rec who knows how far it can be later , seems like a manipulation

seems

Is.

1 month

3 weeks?

woah

Proof isn't good enough. Most are old. Downvote.

Not to mention he stands to gain a lot from this if it were approved. I'm not downvoting because of that however, I'm downvoting because of the proof.

Agreed. There's no doubt in my mind that he wouldn't even consider making this suggestion if he didn't own over 100.

136 S. Persian Persuaders with some reeeeeeeeeally old proof. I'm sorry, but this is an easy downvote.

I sold two at .66 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18188536

3 dislikes? No you didn't sell any. :P

I actually have. I'll find them on my trade history.

lol don't need. :D

http://imgur.com/aU172Cr,9F6jvmj Heres one I looked for about an hour on the other but couldnt find it

It's still rather old, that one sale, isn't it?

it's 10 days old. It's not that old.

for strange trading , 10 days its actually old.

We usually look at the past week for proof in stranges. Many much exchanging.

suggestions like this one should ends with ban of suggestor cause he is obvious manipulator and he's infamous with his manipulations already.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5205b8c8ba2536d00a000002

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53104a574dd7b8df0d8b456b

No, you should not be banned for owning many of one item.

lookslike you missed my comment in 2 link.

You seem to have changed your mind about that since then.

his proof was just better there, but this market gardener suggestions shows his scheme pretty well:

1. buy shitload of items for lowest bp.tf price

2. make hype with price suggestions

3. ?????

4. profit!!1!

Totally not a manipulation, right? Also check last suggestions for beggars bazooka, maybe there was much more manipulations, not sure, but actually look at other peoples comments in this suggestions - people recognize this guy after those suggestions and that why i called him infamous. Also look at mod's comments above - he even used alts to manipulate. Dunno why is this still not closed

You said "suggestions like this" (referring to all suggestions where the owner mass buys) should be banned. There is no reason the user should be banned for making a reasonable suggestion, even if the proof isn't great.

I agree that this suggestion isn't good enough to pass, but he shouldn't be punished for owning many.

i meant 'suggestion thats obviously try to manipulate prices' not just 'where the owner mass buys' this guy walked edge and should be punished imho.

I tried to said with my first post: 'Mods, not just close it and forget, punish actual manipulation attemt!' thats it

The stickybomb launcher suggestion blatantly admitted to price manipulating and it still got accepted.

Beggar's went up cause of stat changes. Invalid argument there

if the proof is good than it's not price manipulation :?

in this case he is hiding his own trades where he bought all of the market for .33 each and now is showing trades 1 week or more old

just wanted to point out that just because someone owns a lot of an item doesn't make a suggestion for the item price manipulation ^^

yes , but in this case the proof isnt really enough to change this items currency. By the way , massive buying some strange with the mere intentions of force its price later without valid and legit prove and not reflecting the market it is in fact , price manipulation.

correct, but I'm fairly sure 2+2 has done good suggestions for stranges he has a lot of before

it doesnt come to case , we are talking about this suggestion in particular.

I was just commenting on Dick's comment you realize :|

"he's infamous with his manipulations already." <- not all of the suggestions were manipulations is my point

dat moment when novice with 681 contribution points teach somebody with 9500+ points. Go away pls

bitch please. you also started with lesser than that right. this guy is a budding contributor, and perhaps in the future he might have more points than you. so gtfo.

It doesn't matter how many points someone has. Your points don't define your intelligence or trading experience, just how active you are on this site.

when his proof is good then i upvote like on second link that RedParadox provided. But when proof is bad like this time, i ask for ban which he deserve for manipulation attempt. He just trying to make hype with this suggestion and while mods still not closing his suggestion hype will rise and he got profit even with dat shitty suggestion. Thats was my point

You have 136 of these.

Your point?

This is such an obvious price manipulation but all his previous suggesions were accepted so it doesn't matter how much we protest. Mods don't look at suggesions like we do. We have to deal with it :(

I'm fairly sure they do look at the proof/market :|

Btw.Without effort its easy to find one at 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12417647 > 0,33 has many in stock even that the trade its 8 months old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18548098 >0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18565569 > 0.33 each , various in stock young trade.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18537204 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18430874 > bp min price , 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18531298 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18563558 backpack.tf price ,0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18527170 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18509783 > 0.33 , 3 days old trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18560510 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18463605 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18389519 > 0.33 , 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18369876 , backpack.tf price . 0.3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18554578 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18520317 > 0.33 , 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18544963 > 0.33 , 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18169032 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18500933 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18494249 > 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18347946 > 0.33

~~I can continue posting more links since its just the first two pages in OP but its non-sense.~~

Alright , lets put all the entire market this time.

I have ALOT of these darn thing's, I can tell you right now, and anyone ele's, there a pain to sell @ .66 EVEN IF THEY DO,

God no, Downvote just no.

*Buys for 2 scrap*

*Sells for almost 3 ref*

A lot of the proof is old, Downvote.

Well here is a person selling 2 for .22 ref each. Fresh unboxes both of them.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18577523

Neutral for now. Lets see how much time does it take for him to sell.

Wouldn't be surprised if 2+2=??? bought them with one of his alts.

my other accounts are offline around 1 day ago

Downvote obvious price manipulation we know your tricks 2+2=??? (lol u dont know math).Buy alot of the same thing then raise the price?hahah sure.Not to mention the proof is stupid

No need to resort to personal attacks. We get the point already.

do the mods get it? Because this suggestion has been up here for almost a week, and they still haven't taken it down regardless of how much proof is in the 0.33 range

nickps's proof sold it for me. Downvote

Even though I don't like how he owns so many, I'm pretty sure hes right in the sense that its about time this thing got a price bump. He also has enough convincing evidence to prove his point. Kudos.

Owns 136 O.o

Seems legit..

Why do you continue to pursue this ridiculous method of making profit. You must make hundreds of trades, just for a minute bp increase. I can make as much profit as you do with 1 quick strange festive flip...

To each their own, I guess.

He owns atm 136. (discounting his alts)

136 x 3 = 408 rec

408/3 = 136 ref

136/7.11-7.22 = ~18 keys profit. (36 total)

...Unless you somehow get 1 s.f. flip that yields 20 keys profit, teach me. :P

Actually that's all he owns, his alts don't have any. At most this would be 45 ref or roughly 6 keys.

Honestly, I don't think I could be bothered to do that many trades.

wouldn't it be 136 x 3= 408 scrap?

But, 136 persian persuaders(pp) would be 136 rec because 1 pp is 1 rec, so:

136/3 = ~45.33 ref

45.33/7.11-7.22 = ~6.3 keys profit

Corrected for you.

such cunning

much obvious

very wow

proofs are more than 1 week old, not legit at all. Downvote

Hey guy , i like you guy - here's my proof guy.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15223941

http://i.imgur.com/J3qMuLG.jpg

For the record i must agree with this suggestion - only in the last week or two has there been an increased demand for these - the suggested price would be spot on.

I do agree the Persian Persuader does need to go up, but not with a range of .66.

You also own a bunch of them. I downvote this but would support a raise to .44 and maybe .55

This is embarrassing, but I think it happens very often. If you look carefully into some of the suggestions, you'll see that the original posters have many items in an alt account. This guy is just not as experienced as some of the "pricing gurus" I guess. Still a downvote, it's clearly a manipulation.

my trade is there (with your "seems sold more than 1..." comment). Yes i sold 3 in 3 weeks for 0.44. Considering that my trades are sometimes 2 or 3 days unbumped, thats not so bad, but 0.66 seems to happen too rarely.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18616662 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11670838 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12417647 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8828241 - .22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18639051 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18632317 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18636589 - .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18626130 - .33

Plenty of sellers for .33, can even find .22 rarely, OP choosing to exclude about 1 third of trades (excluding bp.tf price trades and offers only) gets a downvote from me.

gg 136 owns downvote

Outdated proofs, barely see any sold for .66 ref., and owning 136 of those items.

Downvote.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17993176 If he's only sold two in a month+, that should say something

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18167158 took two weeks to sell, also shows .66 is out of the range

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17627295 Last comment over a month ago, too old

You don't have enough proof for .66, and comments have shown .33 is readily available as well.

Adding some more links. Could be some overlap. But these are just from the first 3 pages of outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18616662 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18586302 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18606441 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18625623 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18629895 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18565569 - 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18541490 - 0.33

A lot of trades are not valid ones... up for many months.

Sellers for more than 0.33 in the first 3 pages

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18644660 - 0.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18598290 - 0.66

Many many afk / outdated trades up

That difference alone tells the story. There are just way more sellers at 0.33 than 0.66. Sure, people will always be able to sell for above and below bp.tf prices, but 0.33 still seems to be the most common trade point.