Suggestion: Strange Enforcer at 0.66–1 ref

I would to do a suggestion like this. +1 Month ago I bought almost 50 S. Enforcers easily for 0.33, but in the last 2 weeks was extremely difficult to buy one at that price. Too sold some for 1 Ref almost 2 Weeks ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18359803

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17748718

Upvoting.

Nice opinion, love how you made a trade to buy these for .66 so this would pass

Yep, too, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18691643

But this isn't for this suggestion pass, is for my profit.

LOL, Noob opinion, noob users, or best, stupid users.

If I'm doing a 0.66 Ref buy trade, is because I can't get anymore for 0.33... Please, use the logic and not be stupids.

So you're supporting this suggestion for your profit rather than proof, nice job there.

You didn't understand.

Learn to read. I don't did that trade for this suggestion. I did that trade for get a bit of profit. But, as you can see, there aren't any seller for 0.66

Learn to read, idiot.

PS: LOL, you changed your name. Shame maybe?

Here I hope this helps:

http://prntscr.com/32lyzh

http://prntscr.com/32lz3y

http://prntscr.com/32lzau

http://prntscr.com/32lzqd

http://prntscr.com/32lzvh

http://prntscr.com/32m00r

http://prntscr.com/32m0fd

http://prntscr.com/32m283

http://prntscr.com/32m2cu

http://prntscr.com/32m2ny

http://prntscr.com/32m2u3

Kudos to you for making this suggestion

- Jim

Wow, thanks.

Only your first three links are even recent enough to be valid, the rest are from last month.

Lol so true, and they were saying that my proof sucked haha, look at trade.tf and see how many sell at .33 vs the 1 sale each week at 1 ref

Doesn't really matter cos last suggestion was accepted 4 months ago lol.

That doesn't really prove much. The point of backpack.tf's suggestions is to reflect the current prices. I doubt sales older than a week for such a common strange would help out the suggestion that much, let alone represent the market.

Sold mine instant for .33 today.

How dare you not include me?

Anyway i'll just post 2 solds, i dare you - doubt me.

http://i.imgur.com/aTmCBFW.png

http://i.imgur.com/CjwY6r5.png

I'll spam the fuck out of you with solds.

I have been warned?

; ~;

I doubt you.

http://i.imgur.com/0PLieX6.jpg

I LOVE bp.tf - most of your prices are so out of date that it allows me to make 50% profit on almost everything, and by the time you figure it out i'm stocked up for the price change.

@Spu , don't worry I'm working on a trading tutorial for kids like you :)

17 solds at 0.66-1.00 over the last 31 days.

I was joking because I wanted to see your additional proof.

"kids like me"

Your backpack and mine are almost equivalent....

Except i just quicksold an unusual over paypal for 125$.

Edit:It was a joke, didn't really think you'd take me seriously :l

http://i.imgur.com/qNW9JaM.png

So, these are hard to buy at .33?

All of the quick buyers is what's supporting the taking .33 out of the range.

Im still seeing alot of sellers on outpost for .33 though, want me to buy a dozen more and post the inventory history?

You can't completely remove .33, even if there are "quickbuyers" at .33, they're buying them.

http://i.imgur.com/2sGsk0O.png Ill have more uploaded when the other 8 people I have added accept the invite.

Do you have links to the trades?

Please learn me how to buy those SO cheap! I just bought 1 in the last week at 0.33. Hahahahahaha.

"Don't know what these could be useful for."

It's an awesome weapon for an aggressive playstyle. The increased damage is awesome for when you get caught, without having to hit in the head with the amby (which can only crit once per 2 seconds anyhow).

On topic: valid proof, upvote.

So like an ambassador for noobs?

"The increased damage is awesome for when you get caught, without having to hit in the head with the amby (which can only crit once per 2 seconds anyhow)."

Not necessarily noobs, but better for when confronted with an opponent that would not be taken down in one headshot, such as heavies or overhealed opponents.

Meh, I got my share of 1000 kills on it.

You just skipped 0.33 trades, I know you did, took me 3 minutes to get these:

LOTS asking for .66, funny how you want to bring it up to 1 ref.

THESE ARE SELLERS:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18639735

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18673299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18627037

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18652110

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18689484

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18690355

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18387711

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18685535

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18637504

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17764037 (.22)

0.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17955698

Many of your buyers bought them, terrible price range, makes no sense why you ignored all those trades asking for .33 and .66 especially. You squeezed the tiny amount of sales at 1 ref, and included only a fraction of .66 and .33 sales just to make it seem like 1 ref gets sold more often.

You just skipped 0.33 trades, I know you did, took me 3 minutes to get these: (Went on last page to find unbumped trades)

LOTS asking for .66, funny how you want to bring it up to 1 ref. (Solds at 1 ref ye)

THESE ARE UNBUMPED SELLERS:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18639735 (Poorly Bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18673299 (Legit)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18627037 (Poorly Bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18652110 (Unbumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18689484 (Young and Added QS)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18690355 (Young and Unbumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18387711 (Poorly Bumped, none in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18685535 (Young and Poorly Bumped)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18637504 (Poorly Bumped, may be legit)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17764037 (.22) (Uhh, confusing)

0.44 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17955698 (Added)

You should check the links before using 'em.

Many of these are terribly bumped.

Edit: what Wellesley said

Your 1 ref trades are just old trades that desperate people bought

How would one categorize desperate buyers and not as desperate buyers?

Buyers who pay 1 ref when you can easily get one at .33 or .66, come here, tons of sellers for .66, desperate buyers will pay 1 ref if they need it quick and are too lazy too look, it's logic.

Yes... If is easy to get one for 0.33 or 0.66 the buyers will pay 1 Ref. Logic pls.

Took me almost 2 hours to get 11 views and 1 person interested, only reason he was interested was because you made this suggestion, http://puu.sh/7Dg9l.png This price range has already been declined 2 times now, with an average of about 14% positive votes, good luck trying to get this to pass.

I don't think an opinion is enough to completely disprove solid evidence.

I don't think an opinion is enough to completely disprove solid counterproof at 0.33, let alone how many buyouts are at 0.66

Your solid counter proof has already been determined to be pretty bad.

L2: Sold

L4: Sold

L5: Sold

L6: Sold

L8: Sold

L9: Sold

http://i.imgur.com/J01DDoR.png

Anyways, doesn't look that hard to buy for .33 or less, as I've bought basically a dozen in the past 3 days for that much.

Going to bed now.

Wouldn't 0.33-0.66 be a better range?

0.33 is a quick sale.

1 happens frequently

Not true, took 4 bumps to get 1 person interested with little views. I put a reclaimed in the right side of the trade and asked for 0.33 in the notes. Only person was interested in 2 hours because he saw this suggestion and went ahead and added me where I told him I was seeing if anyone would take it.

2 hours is pretty quick. Also, again opinions mean nothing relating to if he only wanted it because of the suggestion.

Agreed. 2 hours may be not quick for a currency, but it's a quicksell in terms of strange weapon.

I asked him, if you could have read that comment, you would have known it's not an opinion, he added me and I asked him why he added me and he said that he saw this suggestion.

I buy things and proceed to sell them for higher all of the time. What does what they will use it for have to do with this?

"http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18261768 1 ref (claims to have sold 17)"

That's my trade. Though it's been 3 weeks, there're all 17 solds:

http://imgur.com/a/uDkZU#0

(note that 1 screen includes 3 solds)

It sells pretty quick for 1 ref. Upvote.

More proof

Solds at 1 ref - todays sales:

http://i.imgur.com/YgKAoDY.png

http://i.imgur.com/quwNn8N.png

Offers (willing buyers) - this week:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16081563 - 0.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14999779 - 0.66

Others:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13653597 - bot, selling at bp.tf price, out of stock

I'm not selling my s. enforcer and someone sent me a trade offer to buy it for 1 reclaimed. All of this while they have a page open selling them for 1 refined. I find this extremely rude.

I believe these need a bump up but I'm not sure if something as big as this.

Well just got back home from work, and oh looky here.

http://i.imgur.com/2dvGKK2.png

So, I've bought 20 of these in less than 4 days time at .22-.33 each. Think that's enough to prove a point now as I don't want to spend ALL my metal on enforcers (I gotta keep a fair amount on hand for strangifiers).

If you can't get one for .66 let alone .33, ya ain't doing it right, son.

Also browsing trade.tf, looks like most "Quicksales" are going to the 1 ref sellers such as iPlayer and The Joker to increase their stock. Basically quite a few have sold for .33 each lately and seems to still be a rather common trading point, even if they are selling quick due to suggestion hype.

I'm out now.

I really don't think that it's suggestion hype as I have tracked many .66 and 1 ref sellers go relatively quickly before I made this.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18708721

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18706631

http://bazaar.tf/trade/736001

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18705360

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18703663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18697833

The only .33 sellers on trade.tf sold and sold quickly.

same here GG good luck on the suggestion, if it passes then I've got about 20 to sell that i bought at the current price

Well, if I wanted to get one for .33, I would just check the market for .33 sellers.

.33 sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18696601

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18712643

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18676977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18711664 - has 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18715314

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18709728

.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14999779

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18709936 - x3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18710154

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18664026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18693556 - KS part

Sorry man, but way too easy to find them under your suggest price. Granted, your proof does indicate that it needs a raise. Maybe .33-.66 can work.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18696601 - out of stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18676977 - not selling at 0.33 (because of this suggestion btw)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18715314 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18709728 - has a strange part on it, but if it sells for 0.33, it's fine

I like how iPlayer reports them all sold...after buying all those .33s himself.

Price manipulation at it's finest.

His stock has increased from less than 50 to over 65 since this suggestion too.

Tell me, Sherlock, which of these links above were bought out by me? Not even a single one.

You bought these links, intentional or not to help this suggestion from the past week. I wouldn't really call it manipulation if you're legitimately doing it on your own benefit with no one to work with...but more like a cheap move.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18715314

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18712643

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18453701

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18577185

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18692959

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18715314

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18491667

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18235446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18443561 - took two weeks to sell for .66, you bought them

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18581155

And that's just a sample of how much you bought the past week, I haven't looked at your other 50 enforcers. I wonder why there is a huge "spike" in this price now.

Oh and you're not alone, it seems like 2+2 wants to help out.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2457730452,5001,6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2457730438,460,11

He can prove that .33-.66 is very commonly traded, knowing him.

You alone prove that .33-.66 is more commonly traded.

We were talking about links above. Guy says I intentionally buy .33s from counter-proof here.

If you want to say that I try to buy all existing Enforcers on the market, then you're right and there's not much I can argue with. Considering how much I try to buy them, I've only managed to get 14 strange Enforcers this week, all for 0.33. And I started buying them way before this suggestion was posted.

You bought these two links provided by me

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18715314

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18712643

I laughed because he actually is doing it

Along with iplayers counter proof to your counter proof:

L2: unbumped

L4: Sold

L6: Sold

L7: Seems very irresponsive. Idk

L8: relatively young

L9: same

L10: Sold

Of course I expect them to sell. It's a common strange, most common stranges sell within less than a day. I believe stranges should be reflected by the most commonly traded price.

.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18723434

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18499187

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18543118 - +.11?

.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18721708 - .55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18653242

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16647059

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18705194

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18718535

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18695271

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18682396

Again, I'm not doubting that it needs a raise, but I think 1 ref is too large of a bump. My safest bet would be .33-.66.

First link sold already.

Which range do you suggest then? It feels to me that me and a couple of other mass sellers make 1 ref happen more often than 0.66 ref.

Either .33-1 or .33-.66 <-- probably a better range.

I couldn't care less who counter suggests.

More proof

.33 buyers (may contain links from suggestor's proof - however, I've got more links)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18660574

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16777067

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18523320

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13106317

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18528236

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18650817

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18510152

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18584253

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18697860

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18719861

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18701088

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18690894

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18625489

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17738221

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18708066

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17077233

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18614172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18569756

http://bazaar.tf/trade/693348

http://bazaar.tf/trade/563745

http://bazaar.tf/trade/718564

.44 buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18707383

.66 buyers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18691643

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18707873

1.33 ref solds (most recent)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18670343

1 ref solds (most recent)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18687341

http://i.imgur.com/ePTRy9c.png

http://i.imgur.com/vi3Wqge.png

.33 quicksells

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18716735

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18685535

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18689484

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18690355

Wouldn't surprise me that all of those .44-.66 buyers are less than 24 hours old, and the only reason they're buying them is because they think this is going to pass, especially the 1st .66 link

Ask them, then post screenies.

You can't just attempt to disprove every single decent supporting proof because of something you can't even be sure about.

So I'm guessing I'm not sure about it, 21 strange enforcers just popped up in my backpack I guess for no reason not like I paid .33 each

That is completely irrelevant to this argument.

It should have a price increase, as it is a good spy primary and the price is quite old.

I myself buy them (as quicksells) for 0.33, I get at least 2 a week, so I wouldnt rule out 0.33 just yet, but after reading the comments im going to remain neutral for now.

Only 2 in a week with evidence generally not too valid after about a week.

Hmm....

People will always sell for above and below bp.tf but we don't factor in all trade points into our listed values. Quite a few trades are happening at 1 ref but at least as many if not more are happening at 0.33. Honestly, this might be closer to 0.66 flat.

At this point I'm really just letting this play out to see how it goes.

You have no idea ^^