Suggestion: Strange Equalizer at 0.33–0.55 ref

Granted, most of them are my own sales but with this many and fairly valid proof of each, I thought it was worth a try. Yes, I still own several of them but considering the amount I've managed to sell already, passing this suggestion wont change a lot from my POV.

In case anyone is interested, I've been making sales primarily from:

Outpost trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19205592#latest

Backpack.tf Classifieds: http://backpack.tf/u/76561198066842707

Happy voting and/or slamming my suggestion into the ground!

EDIT:

Please people, take the comments below with many, many, grains of salt and compare them thoroughly to my responses and/or original post. I'm referring, more specifically, to this - ''Maybe 0.33 is outdated but I still downvote because of your manipulation. I will wait for someone with more responsible to do it''.

Additional proof

0.44 sales:

http://i.imgur.com/clEjELd.png -1

0.55 sales:

http://i.imgur.com/PGLtpOf.png -1

http://i.imgur.com/BaZl0jL.png - 1 -own sale

My last three strange Equalizers have sold (for 0.55), I am now free, beyond all doubt, of any vested interests in this suggestion passing aside from a sense of personal achievement that may or may not result from its success.

0.55 sales:

http://i.imgur.com/TmJtL20.png - 3 - own sale

Additional proof:

0.55 sales:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19245788 - 1 - two for sale, one in backpack.

Additional proof:

0.44 sales:

http://i.imgur.com/7CdTlco.png - 1

http://i.imgur.com/u7MAkEW.png - 1

http://i.imgur.com/Vx8907o.png - 1

Thought i would help out with some proof, this is an obviously needed rise

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Strange%20Equalizer SCM AVERAGE SALE PRICE = 0.18-0.19 USD or .66!

Quicksold .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19363574 <1 hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19362837 <1 hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19360475 <4 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19359799 <5 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19359671 <5 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19359613 <5 hours

Sold above .33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19358389 .55

http://www.trade.tf/trade/530216983 .66

.33 is quicksell no doubt

Thanks a bunch man, sure is a nice change from all the mindless bullshit that's been dumped on this suggestion.

Some of the criticism has been well reasoned and justified, but god dayumn does this community have a dark side.

One sided is never accepted. Staying neutral until more sales for your high-end is either provided by others or by you of other sellers who sold at 0.55

Putting the car gear at neutral

shouldnt the range be 0.33 - 0.66?

I only managed to find 3 sales at 0.66 and one of them was my own. Safer range seemed to be 0.33 - 0.55.

Obivious price manipulation is obivious

Easily downvote

Will wait for more proof which is not from you as buyer then I may change my mind

I thought I gave a pretty decent explanation of exactly why it wasn't price manipulation? ''Yes, I still own several of them but considering the amount I've managed to sell already, passing this suggestion wont change a lot from my POV''.

If I've sold something like 13 at the top of my range already in the space of 2 days, what do I really stand to gain here?

It's price manipulation, obiviously

You can't deny that

All of the 0.55 sales happen, thank to you

You buy all those items for 0.55 then make this suggestion

-> Own 11 and most of the boughts at 0.55 are from you

-> Downvote

p/s: Maybe 0.33 is outdated but I still downvote because of your manipulation. I will wait for someone with more responsible to do it.

''You buy all those items for 0.55 then make this suggestion'' .

Are you suggesting that each of the buyers is an alternate account of mine or that I some how cajoled them into buying items from me? Do you have evidence to support this assertion?

if you're down voting on the grounds that I lack proof and/or other relevant factors, fair enough. Making ludicrous accusations which have no grounds in reality is a very different story.

I can and AM denying so called 'obvious price manipulation', you need only read my replies.

I'm downvoting for everything: lacking of proof and price manipulation

And no, I'm not saying each of the buyers is your alt. I'm pointing out that you are buying all S. Equalizers which is 0.55 and less.

All of 0.55 Equalizers are bought by you (key word: "own sales")

You just want to change its price for your own good, ain't you?

p/s: Who the hell care about the downvote on comment section?

p/s 2: Counter-proof

Sellers at 0.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7440760

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19245356

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15925320

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19094193

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19240105

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19228741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19218207

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19156893 (1 scrap, son, 1 scrap)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17706979 (1 guy offered 1 rec, accepted but not sold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17738577

Too easy to buy one at 0.33. A range is unnecessary.

Still DOWNVOTE

''I'm pointing out that you are buying all S. Equalizers which is 0.55 and less.''

I bought the S.Equalizers through an outpost trade at 0.11 refined each some time ago (check my backpack history as suits you). Yes, I did so in preparation for an eventual increase in value but what's wrong with that and how does it pertain to the validity of this suggestion?

''You just want to change its price for your own good, ain't you?''

For the third and final time, I stand to gain nothing from raising a backpack.tf price to one at which I already sell VERY successfully at! If you can conjure up a way in which I benefit from this suggestion, pray tell fine sir.

''Sellers at 0.33''

If sellers at 0.33 had any negative impact on the chances of this suggestion, why on earth would I have included a load of them in my OP? I recognise that sales at 0.33 occur frequently and have suggested a range of 0.33-0.55 in accordance with this!

Ok, i admit that I was wrong about that (haven't checked your proof, I thought that "own sales" here means you bought them for 0.55)

My apologise for that mistake.

But with that mass 0.33 sales, a range is still unnecessary to me.

I will think about it again later.

Maybe more 0.55 will change my mind.

Thank you for recognising this. I'll work on finding and/or selling some more at 0.55. Have a nice day.

But they're selling reasonably quickly and 0.33, which means it should go up. Some of the ones you suggested sold them on the same day, which is pretty much counterproof to your own, highly-biased and rude accusations.

Not saying this isn't the case here but just because someone owns more of an item doesn't necessarily mean he's manipulating. Usually he'd still sell them at a higher price regardless.

Well, I know that but I misunderstood his "own sales" as his bought (Eng is not my native lang, that's why there is a mistake like that)

You're the reason i stopped doing suggestions.

What? Why? How? I just misunderstood the word "own sale" (I'm not native speaker). And even I have already apologised, the world still hates me????

Why????

He's just talking about the shit he has to go through as an OP to bring out a suggestion.

Decelerating

Sorry? what is Decelerating and what implications does this have?

Boats decelerate. I am decelerating the boat.

It would be nice if you would tell people the reason; else you look like some pessimistic fool.

If these are real sales to unrelated parties, who cares if most of the sales are his own?

Are there a bunch of unsolds for less than 0.55 that are just sitting out there? That would be the only thing to invalidate his proof I think.

They wanted stranges and I sold them stranges. That was the extent of our relationships prior to purchase.

I haven't seen too many (any) unsolds below 0.55 more than a day old and the fact that I've sold 4 of them today suggests my range is still viable.

They're all his sales.

Most are mine, some are not.

http://i.imgur.com/ptUnG61.png

http://i.imgur.com/clEjELd.png

http://i.imgur.com/PGLtpOf.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19245788

None of these are mine.

So you want to change the market because you and another managed to sell at 0.55 ?

Well done.

Another 3, yes. If I'd sold one item above market price and made a suggestion, you'd have serious cause for complaint. As it stands, I've sold over 15 in the last three days at above market price and several other traders have had success at this value also.

Im suggesting only that 0.55 be added to the range since there are clearly strange buyers at and around it.

You've made your opposition to this suggestion crystal clear several times over, why must you continuously post snide, demeaning remarks which bring nothing of consequence to the debate?

It doesn't matter how many you've sold individually ! What do you think my rant at the bottom was about?!

Provide multiple users with sales at 0.55, there can be as few as just 1 sale and that make things clear!

I understand the need for more sales! Why do you insist on repeating yourself again and again?

I'm searching trade.tf at regular intervals for more backapck.tf/outpost proof, and will add it whenever I find any.

it be nice to see someone else selling for 0.55 though......

I can find plenty of sellers at 0.55, but its solds that count as real proof around here and I've listed as many as I've been able to find so far.

Hahaha, what are these alleged 0.55 sales, do you honestly think that will work?

Downvote.

Yes, provided you actually take the time to test their validity before writing it off as price manipulation or whatever you're accusing me of.

Im not some gormless joker selling to his steam friends and/or faking sales and using it as proof. These are real sales to real people as proof in a real suggestion.

If you seriously doubt that, find yourself some evidence.

Provide the links of trades with the sales of the users that provided the pictures - unless it will be taken as your proof and without multiple sales from multiple sellers this wont be accepted , until then i will downvote this.

The trade.tf pictures I assume you're referring to are ripped directly from trade.tf and remain there for all to see. As for the non-trade.tf pictures (from my personal trade history), I'll happily provide links to to each users steam profile should more voters and/or bp.tf admins deem this necessary.

http://i.imgur.com/eTBzG0J.jpg

If you want your suggestion to fail OR IF THE SALES AT 0.55 ARE ALL YOURS AND THEREFOR INVALID - go ahead , don't provide the links.

However if you want this to pass, I'd urge you to provide the links.

If this suggestion fails, so be it. If I could find more links (and believe me, I have looked) they would be provided.

As for your conversation with MR. Polarbear... He said only that my trades were insufficient to pass the suggestion, not that they were invalid on account of their origins or any other factor.

I cant help feel a little uneasy when voters are exposed to material that is likely to greatly influence their decisions. Granted, votes dont decide the end result, but why pervert whatever purpose they do serve?

Your stubbornness is incredible, take this from a person that has ∞x amount more accepted suggestions since your count is 0 , YOU NEED OUTPOST LINKS WITH THE SCREENSHOTS OTHERWISE ITS TAKEN AS YOUR SALES, and one man's sales do not determine the market.

I understand what you're saying friend, there is no stubbornness here. If I could find more outpost links, they would be posted here as you suggest.

Will this suggestion fail due to a lack of sales by traders other than myself? Quite possibly. Am I content to wait it out having gone to the trouble of posting what has already been posted? Yes.

for me 0.66 is a good prices

all sales i could get from trade.tf not including bp.tf classifieds links as theyre bad proof to use for sales.

sales at .66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19301591 within 16 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19281238

sales at .55:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19313989 without a bump

sales at .44:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19297792 without a bump

sales at .33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19313972 within 2 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19310545 without a bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19310345 without a bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19308888 within 8 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19294242 within a hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19284472 within a hour

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19277996 without bumping

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19275197

sales at .11:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19279109 without a bump

mainly gets sold at .33, i think it's still a bit too early for this suggestion.

Although everything under .66 sells fast, the sellers have not adjusted to a higher demand and keep selling at .33.

''The sellers have not adjusted to a higher demand and keep selling at .33''.

Pretty spot on I'm afraid... Its getting to the point where I've sold over 100 stranges at 0.55 and am still among the only ones doing so. Kinda ridiculous really.

What's wrong with bp.tf classified links if the item is no longer in backpack?

its way harder to track, if people changed price and made a new classified, it is hardly possible to find out unless you notice because you've seen the name before, and then you still dont know if he got another one or relisted the same one.

outpost you can show all trades a user has made, so it's much easier to track.

Fair enough, Cheers mate. If nothing else, this suggestion has taught me a bunch.

Would you say I should wait it out for the final result, or close it and salvage what dignity I can? How long would the former take?

Keeping it open and waiting or closing is entirely your choice.

I don't know how long it would take for the mods to look at it.

Just watch this things burn to the ground when the chem sets expire. I'll get some popcorn till then.

Oh, undoubtedly. Till then, bp.tf exists to reflect current prices, not what WILL happen.

Wow. Criticism is a bitch. Lots of... "interesting" people here. Upvote, anyway. :)

I don't know if this suggestion have to exist, because in one day all new chem set will be deleted (and maybe new chem set, but we don't know what do we have to put into them) so i'm staying neutral for now, maybe upvote if a new chem set wave with bad stranges comes ^^

Chem sets are gone tommorrow.

stop the comment train upvote

Obviously these things are going to plummet tomorrow, but whatever.

Sold one for 0.55: http://i.imgur.com/lqDlI6D.png

Changing the boat into the position of which you would go forward and then doing such things

Somebody close this shameful suggestion.

sold 23 instantly at 4 scrap, upvote.

Could you possibly provide a screen shot of your trade history?

So much editing ;-; but I can piece it together tomorrow if I have some downtime. Each sold in bundles of 2 or 3.

The hype ends tomorrow...

Just a QQ, after these Chemistry Sets expire, aren't these Stranges just gonna fly back to rock bottom again?

based from the proof on the comments, getting more than .33 is possible

and about the chem set point: no one knows what Valve may do. They make delete them all or they could just make them stop dropping. For now this price is the most accurate