Suggestion: Refined Metal at $0.24–$0.25

Price Suggestion

Refined Metal

Submitted Mon, 12 May 14 07:41:59 +0000 by ★ dome hepot

64.67%

$0.25

$0.24–$0.25

~$0.031

1525 votes up

833 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 17 May 14 11:18:30 +0000 by Horizon.

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Blue name and yellow belt :)

Refined metal needs to drop. I've supplied literally every seller on tf2outpost, and I did go on other trading websites. SourceOp links are at the bottom.

Sorry Ward

Sellers

$0.23 - 4 sellers

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/735916[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16097374[/url] sells for $0.23

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19693292[/url] sells for about $0.23 (8 rubles²)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16142610[/url] sells for $0.23

$0.24 - 17 sellers

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28533.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28061.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=26344.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28685.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28836.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28853.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28840.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28478.0[/url]

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/649711[/url] is out of stock (0.55 remaining in bp)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18134080[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19675363[/url] (bulk of 500+ is $0.23)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19434110[/url] (bulk of 500+ is $0.23)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19527706[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19534330[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19331539[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19689871[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18811565[/url] is out of stock, buys for $0.18

$0.25 - 17 sellers

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/683590[/url]

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/797152[/url] has sold 14

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19652515[/url] has sold 5 in 5 days

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15318714[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19642792[/url] has sold 14

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18221412[/url] $0.26 without rep

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19727944[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19114784[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18823095[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19666899[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15565942[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19526217[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18791033[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17868389[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19736166[/url] sells 4 for $1 steam wallet codes

[url]http://manncotrading.com/index.php/topic,5149.0.html[/url] (yes, the text is hard to read, but it's for $0.25)

[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/SteamGameSwap/comments/21pen3/h_tf2_dota2_keys_refined_buds_w_180_025_3600_usd/[/url] (the only relevant and recent trade on reddit I found)

$0.26 - 5 sellers

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18968779[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18662815[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19304907[/url] is out of stock, has sold 11

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18836723[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19556323[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17182740[/url] sells for $0.625, looks like he has sold none.

$0.27 - 5 sellers

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17492013[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18280852[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16140132[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18363050[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18535346[/url] has sold 5

$0.28 - 8 sellers

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/801978[/url] ($0.25 bulk buy)

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/344792[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13750947[/url] ($0.27 bulk buy)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13259981[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19443823[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7505351[/url] is out of stock

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19238825[/url]¹

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17079747[/url]? (10 rubles?²)

$0.29 and over - 10 sellers

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/444029[/url] sells for $0.29

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/12419098[/url] sells for $0.30

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18370633[/url] sells for about $0.30 (£0.18²)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8753784[/url] sells for $0.30, sold over 11,000 in a year

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14104719[/url] sells 10 for $3.00 ($0.30 ea.)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/14755329[/url] sells for $0.31

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16362986[/url] sells for about $0.32 (€0.23²)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/11587868[/url] sells for $0.35

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16362986[/url] sells for about $0.39 (£0.23²)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/4398038[/url] sells for $0.40

SourceOp links (didn't want to include with other links)

Selling for $0.23 and under

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/158182-Refined-metal-0-21[/url] is selling for $0.21

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157126-TF2-Refineds-Metal-0-23-USD-TF-Keys-1-85-USD[/url] is selling for $0.23

Selling for $0.24

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157052-Keys-1-79-Refine-24-Earbuds-35-each-Unusuals!![/url]

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157230-Refined-Metal-0-24[/url]

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157138-Ref-0-24-Keys-1-80[/url] is out of stock

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157987-Keys-1-80-Ref-0-24[/url]

Selling for $0.25

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/158083-Keys-1-85-Buds-35-Ref-0-25[/url]

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157836-Selling-Refined-0-25[/url]

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157828-WTS-keys-1-75-refined-0-25[/url]

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157332-Keys-1-84-Ref-0-25-I-pay-ALL-fees-![/url] is out of stock

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/157085-Selling-Refined-Metal-0-25-USD-PayPal-No-Rep[/url]

Selling for $0.26 and over

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/156947-Keys-(1-8-)-and-Refined-(0-35-)[/url] is selling for $0.35

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¹: [url]http://www.wmtransfer.com/eng/about/[/url] - States webmoney currencies

²: [url]http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/[/url] - Simple converter for currency

If you're too lazy...

1 Russian Rouble (RUB/WMR) ~ $0.02803 USD

1 British Pound (£) ~ $1.68506 USD

1 Euro (€) ~ $1.38016 USD

NOTE: These are rough translations and may change as values rise and fall

Provide any neccessary supporting proof, counter-proof, trade experiences, and constructive criticism, as it is greaty appreciated (I gathered all of this proof in one night, so mistakes are likely to appear).

irrelevance as always

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=7162.0[/url] sold 544 for $0.88

Very much well covered. Excellent proof I would say. Deserve a medal for this :P

$0.24 :

http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=26344.0 --> This guy lowered from $0.24 to $0.23

$0.25 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18221412 --> Closed for now, I guess

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19727944 --> Closed for now, I guess

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You covered up the more or less overall market showing all sellers below and above $0.25, looks great!

$0.24 - $0.25 seems like the necessary bump for now and the most common trading point, however, $0.23 is on the slow rise.

Accelerating the speed of the car.

That's no reason to keep the price. And there may be one or two buyers or sellers above the price, but the majority of the market lies at $0.24-$0.25. Don't down vote just because you care about the value of your backpack, as this price represents the whole of the market, and it does not depend on whether or not the value of your backpack goes down a few dollars.

If you think can gather enough proof that shows the price should rise, good luck. I believe I have nearly every seller here on this suggestion.

Wait if refined goes down, won't that mean that people will just sell lower $0.24-$0.25? And then those sales will count as proof... And then we're here again? What is this world? D:

Proof > Logic. It might not seem like the best system but it's how pricing works.

Are you sure that logic may not surpass proof from time to time? Won't this cause an endless cycle of lower price + proof = even lower price = even lower price + proof = even lowerer price? Come to think of it, aren't keys kind of the same way except they go higher? You see what I'm saying here bro?

No. I don't. It might seem stupid that people sell for less for whatever reason, getting more buyers or getting rid of ref, but if the market shows for a lower price, then a lower price they will get.

Okay, I think I understand now. I'm not sure if bp.tf represents the ENTIRE market, but it can reflect a good bit of it. Perhaps I misjudged it. o3o

Yeah, that's good. bp.tf sets a base value that's recommended based upon what others have success with, but you're not required to follow it. People get really mad when prices rise or drop, but its really not our fault, and they somehow don't understand that.

Wow, I just realized I must have sounded pretty foolish on the last key suggestion. XD

Thanks for helping me realize that bp.tf isn't that bad though :P

+the price will eventually stabilize. for example eventually people will stop selling keys for a certain amount cause no one will buy them. like the buds, they where 27-29 keys but people where just like "no im not buying for that amount" and it went down. i doubt people will EVER sell ref for $.01 as its to cheap, as cheap as a regualr wep and it will be pointles and bam people start selling ti for more.

you're about a year late on that

So wait, if people know what's going on with the prices, why don't they vote against ref lowering and keys rising?

because votes don't matter at all, it's supporting/counter proof that counts. if there is no valid counter proof then the suggestion is accepted, no matter how negative its score is.

...in most cases. [url]http://backpack.tf/vote/id/517b0d9a4bd7b86d5900000d[/url]

It's a broken system, and Potato has hit the nail on the head.

Its pointless to argue against it though, especially on a price suggestion.

welcome to this website

ref is very important price. so, nice proof, good suggestion.

upvote!

Went back through tf2-trader

Sellers for $0.23

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=26344.0[/url]

Sellers for $0.24

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=27447.0[/url]

Sellers for $0.25

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28924.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28513.0[/url] (buys for $0.20)

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=27661.0[/url] (old-ish)

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28608.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=25381.0[/url]

[url]http://tf2-trader.com/index.php?topic=28347.0[/url] (old-ish)

ALSO - found a mistake

"[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17182740[/url] sells for $0.625, looks like he has sold none"

Actually selling for $0.265, I mis-typed the numbers.

Another look through outpost

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19354281[/url] - sells for $0.25

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19738003[/url] - buys for $0.25

How the fuck does this have only 5 comments? Come on, people! We need more comments about how the economy is going to die, mass hysteria, and stuf like that!

Because it is wise to keep this important a suggestion clutter free and on topic.

15 hours into it, there were 0 comments, which was even more surprising

Might have to do with the fact that I posted this at 1 AM

Economy will die! Apocaliptik! There are a cover drug trafficking !!! You will do TF2 sacks! Let's go to abuse to the mods! go go go!

Nah. Joke. Upvoting it because i don't care my bp value, and the proof is good.

SO MUCH PROOF! anyway, upvote .-.

amount doesn't necessarily mean quality :P

If you continue to work hard, you'll reach it again~

Can someone tell me why the sellers above $0.26 are being ignored? I'm not criticizing, I just really want to know.

I kinda wondered that. It somewhat makes me think that ref ought to not go down with so many people selling above $.25. o3o

True, there are a lot of sellers above $0.26, but not as many as there are below. We're mostly after common trading points.

High sellers exist for everything, but wouldn't you ignore them too, if you were buying refined yourself?

So I went on the bp.tf forums, and guess what I found? More sellers!

$0.23 - [url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/8597-wts-tf2-refineds-metal-023-usd/[/url]

$0.24 - [url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/10884-items-for-money-via-paypal/[/url]

$0.25 - [url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/10538-wts-refined-metal-018%E2%82%AC-025-each-tods-065%E2%82%AC-090-each-via-paypal-paypal-verified/[/url]

~~Owns 2, price manipulation~~

It is only inevitable when keys are going up in terms of refined.

against my better judgement, I have to agree...xP

Personal opinions aside, this is very well more than enough proof for a decrease. Gonna need a mod to post the rules on suggestions for clarification.

You mean the suggestion? I don't see how.

This isn't ridiculous. This is within common sense bounderies.

Your needless post is ridiculous.

Reasonable suggestion, up-vote. Thing is what these people are not realizing is in term, this should not change anyone's backpack value whatsoever. Feel free to take a hover-over $.0.24-$0.25. Still says $0.25, cant exactly cut a penny in half and it have value eh?

It will change. Backpacks will then be calculated as (Number of Refined) x 0.245. Not a big deal, just making a point though.

As much as thats true, its not going to truly change much of anything.

Thank you for pointing out that mistake on my behalf though.

Bro you gotta remember, this is bp.tf. Opinions don't matter here for some very odd reason.

Pricing isn't opinion based. Think about gas! Everybody wants gas to drop in price, but it keeps going up. Supply and demand :)

I thought it also had to do with what's going on in the Middle East :T

If you disagree, find the proof to support your claim :) I'm not disagreeing with opinions, I'm just saying you can't price an important currency with a blatant statement.

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WILL ALWAYS

...supply more proof.

Sellers for $0.24

[url]http://forums.sourceop.com/threads/158309-Keys-1-80-Ref-0-24-Buds-34-PayPal[/url]

Sellers for $0.25

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19815939[/url] (young)

[url]http://bazaar.tf/trade/802771[/url] (young)

Sellers for $0.26

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19657948[/url] (it's in Chinese, but it says it sells refs for 1.6 CNY, which roughly translates to $0.26 USD, as 1 Yuan [CYN] ~ $0.16219 USD)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19813247[/url] is selling 10 ref for $0.20 each (young)

Trying to keep this suggestion updated with every refined metal seller.

EDIT: $0.20 seller bumped his price to $0.22

Yeah this works, This is a good price, since as a proof lots of people are selling it, price should drop!

[url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/11015-selling-buds-35-keys-tf2-190-and-refined-metal-025/[/url] is selling for $0.25