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The economy is in a state of disaster as the rising price of keys means that no one wants to sell keys as the price keeps rising, also previously expensive items for example buds have been reduced in price significantly so for example: for buds the price has gone down by 10% from 20 keys to 18 keys etc.. and so if the key price keeps rising rare items will have next to no value while keys which are common will be far to expensive leading to a "crash" in the economy as new F2P players cannot get better items with out spending money on keys therefore reducing the amount of new and repeat players making ref and items rise in price over time,(thank you for reading)
Rise in amount of refined metal in relation to the amount of keys is why keys are going up.
So... No.
Proof?
Downvoted.
Read the rules.
Proof?!?! the price of keys has skyrocketed in the past 1-2 months and so the price of rarer items have gone down eg the price of buds has gone down by 10% from 20 keys to 18 keys in the past 3-4 weeks
Dude, you need proof showing that keys should drop.
I think it's stupid too, but its not opinion.
Look, f*ck proof. A lot of people are sick of rising key prices.
Dude, so am I, but I follow the rules.
"f*ck proof". That is the ONE thing that all suggestions need to have to even be considered. There is exactly a 0% chance of this being accepted. Read the rules. Backpack.tf is not meant to manipulate prices to what a few traders think it should be.
http://backpack.tf/rules
Doesn't matter. Plus, I don't see any disaster, they're steadily rising and don't seem like they're gonna stop.. Buds fluctuate in price anyway.
Plus, proof please. Read the rules.
Actually, the price of keys has stayed the same. Ref has gone down. Do your research.
Thank you for that insightful opinion on the TF2 economy but please read the rules because sadly it takes more than an opinion to change the price of an item
If the economy was in a state of disaster, then no-one would be able to sell keys above its current price. WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THAT THE CURRENT PRICE OF KEYS IS TOO HIGH? Obviously, people are able to buy keys at its current price and that refined metal has no use in tf2 anymore will cause keys to rise in value. Downvote, not due to personal 'opinion' or 'bias', but the lack of proof in this suggestion.
On a side note, it would be funny if this suggestion gets near or equal to Kejsumaru™'s upvote to downvote ratio.
You must provide proof of sales supporting your proposed price or price range and lack of sales at higher prices if lowering a price.
Please follow the Suggestion Guidelines ( http://backpack.tf/rules ) when making a price suggestion.
Why don't we just *GASPS* lower the Key price?
That's what i'm going to do by up voting this. And btw i feel you bro, chrysos. All these officious nut sacks asking for proof really gets to your head, but don't let it. YOU CAN DO IT
You don't have a single key, no wonder you're supporting this
Who cares? Probably he doesn't have keys because *Gasp* he doesn't have the ref or money to buy any!
That was my point.
He doesn't have keys BECAUSE THEY'RE SO F*CKING EXPENSIVE. I GAVE UP WITH KEYS A LONG TIME AGO.
No, they're not. There are more weapons found every day, meaning more ref, meaning ref loses value. Keys have stayed the same, their value in ref has lowered. Once again, do your research.
No it's rare these days to get crates let alone weapons so up voting it is reasonable
I agree that keys need to drop, as most other members of the community, but proof is essential nonetheless.
http://backpack.tf/rules
We can't change prices based on opinions but rather what the community is selling (solding? :3) and buying for. Otherwise, we'd just have stupid made-up prices because people want it.
Blame the community for raising the prices, not us ^^ They're the ones setting those prices on their trades and the buyers who accept those prices.
Your name describes the condition of your brain. Bitch ass bullshit.
Because there's no proof.
http://backpack.tf/rules
Blame the community for making profit off keys and selling for higher as well as the buyers who accept those prices. That's why it rises. Just look at sheer amount of proof: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/536c933c4dd7b8840c8b4a84
Aww, boo. Hoo. Hoo. Nobody cares anymore! People are trying to get Key items with normal weapons.
Cares about what?
And those are noobs or stupidly low lowballers trying to get keys that you're talking about.
Your point is?
My point is, people are real f*cking idiots. Keys are worthless nowadays. You don't need to uncrate anymore since everything is just right there. TF2 wasn't always about trading, you know? I've been around THAT long.
1. "My point is, people are real f*cking idiots" That's true to some extent
2. "Keys are worthless nowadays." Clearly not, Everyone wants keys. Those desperate lowballers want keys, as it's the next form of currency after ref. If they were, they wouldn't be rising.
3. "You don't need to uncrate anymore since everything is just right there." Uncrating is normally for people who want to risk the 1% chance to get an unusual. Keys are mainly currency, anyway. Uncratings aren't too common.
4. "TF2 wasn't always about trading, you know?" I agree with you. Playing the game for fun is a very valid reason to actually play the game.
But what has this got to do with anything? Are you trying to counter-argument me in some way?
1: Exatcally.
2: Because 'it's too complicated without keys!'
3: Righty oh, then....
4: Nobody really plays anymore except on Valve servers. Other than that, good luck. I'd stick to TF2 on Xbox or PS3.
What has this got to keys right now and my initial response, though?
You: Why don't we just *GASPS* lower the Key price?
Me: "Because there's no proof. http://backpack.tf/rules . Blah blah blah :3"
How about we lower the Key prices so people would actually care?
We can't do it out of the blue. It starts with the people, not us. We just report what the keys are getting sold for.
Have you even looked at the amount of people playing? The number is higher than ever. Also, TF2 is completely broken on other platforms.
Not really. Hell, the only thing that beat it on my Xbox was Halo: Reach and Left 4 Dead 2.
It's fun, but it hasn't been updated in so long ;~;
since i study econs in uni ...i do agree with what you are trying to say but as a fellow tf2 player...im just saying that it wouldn't apply the same way...ignore the rest of the idiots saying that you need proof and what not...I agree that the prices of keys have gone up significantly but that is simply due to speculation by the scrap.tf website and also the general speculation of tf2 players ...the speculation has driven the price of keys up up up and it is likely that we will see in the near future that keys cost like 14 ref or something crazy like that due to SPECULATION
No. Speculation and scrap.tf has nothing to do with it. There are more weapons found every day in TF2. More scrap. More ref. The value of ref goes down. The value of keys in ref goes up. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Also, grammar. Please. You're killing me.
No proof, no reason, ref is going down while keys are going up so its evening out. Also the economy surely isnt in a state of disaster if trading is still a thing. Downvote.
Aww, boo. Hoo. Hoo. Nobody cares anymore!
Japanese playing games, disgrace to family!
I'm not Japanese. Jeez.
That's racist ;.;
Stereotypical
And we would know about that how? :3
Anyway, it's not much to an extent, but it is generalising :3 Not that I'm offended much, and I was sorta joking ;)
Anyway, isn't it the Chinese who usually get all that honour and disgrace to family crap? :3
It is, isn't it?
Eh, not really tbh
Surely people care if they're downvoting this, plus how is a few scrap below the current price going to even make a difference to the market for new players?
It's something. Better than nothing.
Well it won't be, cause this is likely to be rejected among with the other suggestions that come after key price rises with the exact same "the economy is going to be in ruins" story.
Because bp.tf admins are greedy.
loooooooooooool.
It's because the community is greedy, you silly nugget. The admins don't accept proof-less suggestions if it's going down or up. Their opinion is not part of the jurisdiction taken into account when accepting or rejecting a suggestion.
Then why have keys all gone up?
Seems people think bp.tf sets prices instead of just reflecting the market, lol.
Well, Buds are going down while Keys are going up.
Is that not logical?
Soon TF2 will be P2W for items.
Unfortunately, it already is. Gabe
P2W for items. Are you serious? Items don't affect how good you are. Wearing a fancy hat doesn't make you any better. Neither does lowering the price of keys.
Well, if F2Ps are just abused by Unusual wearing Pro KS Australium users, then it just seems like it, doesn't it?
Shut up, all of you. You're going to make me cry.
Well, are you the F2P, or the Unusual?
I'm the middle ground. The middle ground is actually the most common.
Actually, most accounts in the world are F2P.
A good deal of which are inactive. I'd say it'd be a close call between the middle ground / F2P. I'm not exactly here to start another flame war though hah.
:P this suggestion just needs a close now.
According to the Unusuals, I'm F2P (So, apparently Killstreaks and a Proof of Purchase make me F2P? Just... Wow.)
You're forgetting a middle ground exists. Honestly, just don't pay attention to it all. It is just a game. Do not take all of this too seriously.
What, you think that happens because the Gods of bp.tf will it? It just happens. Keys go up because buyers keep paying more and more (and what no one seems to grasp is refined is literally worthless. You get it for playing a video game, how could that have any intrinsic value?), buds go down partly because of keys going up and also because keys being in higher demand.
A good way to look at refined/keys:
Think of any typical F2P game:
Refined metal is the currency to grind forever to get anything good.
Keys are the mega-currency you buy with real money.
It's almost as if Valve planned it all along...........................................mind boggling.
wow your troll suggestion somehow managed to stay up for an entire hour, close it before the mods do.
It's not Troll. If it was, it'd be 1.33 Ref. THEN it'd be troll.
Generally, no proof = troll
(or misinformed)
Refined is falling, so it is normal for keys to rise... Currently, key costs about 1.9$ in metal, and a key is 2,5$... Do the math.
Refined is falling because Keys are rising.
I don't get sometimes why lowering the key prices EVEN with proof is considered price manipulation I've seen bots sell for 7.55 yet and everyone goes to it.
"crash" in the economy as new F2P players cannot get better items with out spending money on keys" NO SHIT F2PS CANT GET ITEMS WITHOUT PAYING MONEY
You have some very serious physiological problems.
Metal has been overstocked.
Due to the overstock, there is more demand being filled.
All demand being filled means no more demand.
No demand means no willing buyers.
No willing buyers means you have to lower the price in order to sell.
Much lower buyers pop up and they are used as proof and ref drops.
Ref drops in value so the value of keys in ref has to go up in order to match its value properly.
So key sellers raise their price and many willing buyers pay that amount.
Those sales are used as proof and the price goes up.
Rinse and repeat. Keys are not rising, refined is dropping. So if you want to blame someone, blame yourself and the 20 million other players that don't care if ref drops or if keys rise.
Who, me?
Yeah, I have problems. So what? Does it differ my point from that other guy?
Yes. Because your point literally makes no sense. You might as well say "I shit gold bricks!" Both have the same logic so it would not matter.
You may as well say 'I hate Free-to-Players BECAUSE THEY GET THE GAME FOR FREE WHILE WE BOUGHT IT!' and I'd still hate you the same way.
So because people like you who buys keys for their current price which heightens the price, that means WE hate free to plays. Flawless logistics. You should be a college professor.