Suggestion: Naughty Winter Crate Key at 3 keys

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Naughty Winter Crate Key

Submitted Sat, 17 May 14 05:15:07 +0000 by ★ Akali~

49.09%

1 key

3 keys

115

~8 keys

1326 votes up

1375 votes down

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I bought one for 3 keys (well, a Kringle collection, brotherhood of arms and 8 ref)

http://i.gyazo.com/4ba867cea7f17d68a6007689754c58e1.png

2 sellers on bazaar selling as a set:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/741193

http://bazaar.tf/trade/369299

NONE on outpost

Couldnt find ANY other sales AT ALL. and they're super rare on the market, so this should be okay to bump the price

you sure there are none on outpost? since this item isn't actually a searchable item :u?

Well, I googled "Selling naughty crate key tf2outpost" and various things like that, checked loads of trades, but the only ones I found were people claiming they had naughty crate keys, which were actually spooky keys or stuff like that

You googled it?

since the Tf2outpost search doesnt support naughty crate keys I checked 5 pages of of normal keys for it, then gave up, and used google instead, but I only found people selling the naughty crates, not the keys.

One sale can't make the market

I dare you to find ONE seller who isnt selling it in a set, selling it for less than 3 keys. Or just a single sale in the past 3 months :p

still, a single sale does not determine the market, even if none others are available

Then explain unusual pricing

Uh, that you HAVE to have two sales to first price an unusual? That's kinda the whole point.

Not when you are updating the price of an unusual

> as a note to people, according to bptf stats, there exist just over 600 of these

Whereas the MOST common unusual hat + effect combo has 50 max. Not really comparable.

There's as many of these as there is H.O.U.W.A.R's, imagine the uproar if somebody tried to price one of THOSE using one sale.

fair enough

But there are at least like 10 HOUWAR's on the market at any given time, there arent ANY of these on the market

Please just stop... unusual pricing was an example. There are HUNDREDS, and I mean HUNDREDS of items that have been priced by a single sale.

backpack.tf counts all of these, including those that are no longer Naughty Keys but have transformed into normal keys. Sometimes people will have holiday keys in their backpack that were never used, but act just as normal keys. The number that are still naughty keys (not transformed) is much lower

There's a reason why people don't take unusual prices on backpack.tf seriously.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19890432

accepted offer of 2 keys yesterday, bad timing for you

well, he still has it

It doesn't matter. It shows the owner is willing to take that offer.

He never sold it for that?

True, seems the offer was fake or something...I'll add him and ask

Nevertheless it shows

1) he accepted the offer of 2 keys

2) it didn't sell, which means it is probably not worth that

My conclusion is that 3 keys is not a good price but I'm not 100% sure on that, up to the mods to decide

Actually in some cases they do. Such as collector/extremely rare unique item and this.

It is recommended to at least try to find another seller/sale but if it is extremely rare and unlikely to hit market anytime soon, 1 will work.

There might be many recent solds for less than 3 keys that you can't search

Okay! To everyone who says 1 sale isnt enough proof: If you provide counterpproof, I'll admit that it isnt, if you can find any counterproof at all.

The problem i see with this is that ANYBODY can trade with there friend and say to give me 3 keys for my key and THEN i ll give it back so that later you can take a screen shot of it and say you sold it for 3 keys i don't know feel like it needs more proof of it really selling for 3 keys :/

Well, Its true that I dont have the key anymore, but thats because I put it on an alt account, so I dont accidently trade the key away

lol no.downvote.

there are tones of it for sell in steam community market and they sell for the same as normal keys.witch that is what they realy are.

SCM is considered invalid proof.

we realy need to stop cvonsider the greatest tf2 market as an invalid proff.anyway downvote 3 keys is redicilous.

SCM isn't considered valid because we don't price anything (besides ref) in money. Keeping in mind the 15% fee that comes with buying an item, you can't really take what an item sold for in $ at full value.

yes cause to do a minus 15% is a bitch and far more complicated than this?

hahahahahaha.

also ref is more accurate to be priced in $ than steam actually funds $.

this must be the most rightfull argument i have faced my entire life.

bp.tf must fix the steam community prices page that is down for 6 months now it was the only reliable source of evidence about high and low tier items this site ever had. all this voting thing and suggesting seems ancient lately.

calm down dude. we here are voting on the value of pixels

*heavy sigh*. Ref is more accurate when priced in ref T_T. SCM isn't used as proof because people sell for stupidly high and stupidly low prices, varying the value hugely (and as RedParadox says, we don't measure in money). I bought 6 or so nice winter crate #36s for $1.00 when they were selling for 2 keys. That was the kind of lowballing (is that the right word?) that occurs. Also, basic English grammar and spelling would be nice. And in addition: Is it -10% and then -5% from that to get the actual seller price, or just straight up -15%?

No it's straight up -15%.

It can be still used as support proof, can't it? I swear it can be.

Why your image shows a normal key btw?

They turned into normal keys, but still show up as naughty crate keys on 3rd party websites like backpack.tf

holiday keys don't show up as holiday keys from steam inventory/ ingame inventory, they appear as normal ones ( think uncraftable though :?)

ok +vote

only one sale isn't really enough

They are extremely rare on the market, and its unlikely for another one to get on the market again soon.

So in this case one would be enough

You are more than welcome to provide counter-proof seeing as there are nearly 0 on the market

These keys are uber rare. Whoever says this one sale isnt eough clearly hasnt checked the market on them. I checked personally and couldnt find any sellers. Upvote.

as a note to people, according to bptf stats, there exist just over 600 of these

Keep in mind that the last suggestion (2 years ago) was accepted without any proof to support his claim.

For the rarity of this item, you have my upvote.

[times were different then :p but eh]

True, true...but still, the presence of proof for this suggestion shows the price is ready for an update :P

don't see a single valid proof, just cause u overpayed doesn't mean it should change prices

i understand its rare so neutral

Thing~~(s?)~~ from outpost:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19890432 - Offers, quite young

Someone offered 2 keys already

So wait, if they show up as normal keys, then what's the point of them going up in price? Because it looks different on a third party website? I don't get it .-.

If you give me 10 examples of people who sold it for that price, I'll upvote.

If you give me 1 example of someone who isnt selling it at that price, i wont think your comment is silly.

This is a rare item. 1 sale in 2 years is certainly enough for an update.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5324f9df4dd7b80c048b4576

that shouldn't even have been accepted in the first place

And why not? Clearly all the proof is there.

It doesn't really need an update. Sets mean absolutely nothing. Just because you bought one priced at 3 keys does not warrant a change.

I don't understand why this is disliked lol he literally added one piece of proof. That does not warrant a change.

I wonder why you paid 3 keys in stuff for 1 normal key?. Maybe you chose the wrong type of key? or it's a fail photoshop?

It is a collector's item.

The Picture he posted man, the picture.

In the Steam inventory it shows up as a normal key. When you look at the item in backpack.tf, it shows what key it originally was.

For example: http://backpack.tf/id/mistermusicman - 2013 Naughty Winter Crate Key

http://steamcommunity.com/id/MisterMusicMan/inventory/#440_2_2377203801 - It shows up as a normal key

i think sold for 2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19890432

In less than a day. Obvious quicksell.

Checked history (on Outpost and Backpack.tf) and it is still in Cup's backpack. So, not sold yet.

Already sold.

It has now

New trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19963748

no its still in his bp

I'm thinking 2-3 keys

why would we include quicksell prices

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5324f9df4dd7b80c048b4576

Extremely hard to find proof for these kinds of collectors' items. That's why every single proof given should be looked at. Looks like this link is willing to sell at 2 keys so a range may just be better: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19890432

He already got a 2 keys offer in less than a day, so 2 keys would be a quicksell

So only yours represents the market while ignoring an apparent quicksell? It's hard to tell.

Still here, and still downvoted. Should be 2 keys instead of 3 keys.

Any proof to back that up?

He left it in his other pants.

Constructive Criticism here...

-Firstly, the only sale that you have shown in the suggestion is a Mixed Sale (Which includes Refined + Hats + Misc... etc.), which is not enough to be set in a firm price.

-Second, It is hard to determine the whole market with only 1 sale even though it's rare to see these around. I believe that SCM sales will be valid for such a rare item.

-Thirdly, As people have pointed out in this suggestion, there was another trade about this key on Outpost, which have had an offer for 2 Keys. The seller is willing to do it as well.

In my opinion, a range is needed here. A sale based with Mixed Items seriously couldn't be in the price. If there are no more sales, I would say 2-3 Keys would do. Might want to check for Steam Community Market sales too just to confirm if the price is right, so that you can persuade more people to Up-vote.

But he got offered 2 keys in less than 12 hours, 2 keys would be a quicksell price so it shouldnt be included in the price, right?

STEAM MARKET: http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Naughty%20Winter%20Crate%20Key

No listings

So, 2 keys would be a quicksell, so 3 keys would be an accurate price, all the evidence points towards it

Still, the 2 Keys offer is the only pure offer. Sometimes, it's really inaccurate to use Mixed Offers to price a "Non-Unusual" Suggestion sometimes. People do count overpay on stuff when the buyer pays in Mixed.

I don't really think that it was a quicksell price @ 2 keys after all. Even though it was offered within a day, but the buyer soon retracted. I would say, 2-3 Keys is definitely a fair range.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/508729be49d7b8ce4c000040

I fucking love this suggestion

Man duracell batterys are SOOOOO 2007, Ever android had a chargable battery now.

~~Can't be arsed to read the drama fest that is the comments section.~~

So anyway, what makes this item so special? Sure it's discontinued and such, but would it appear as a naughty key in your backpack?

Only on 3rd party sites like Backpack.tf. It displays as a normal key in you Steam Inventory. You really should read and not expect the answer to be restated just for you.

It would seem as though you don't pick up on sarcasm, the whole point of the first sentence is satirical and makes fun of those who don't read. In order to not be a complete hypocrite I read everything, and reread it be sure that I didn't miss anything. You're right, the author did say that it only shows up on 3rd party sites and I missed that the first time around.

Technically this is now a normal key as it states: "On 1/1/2012 this turned into a normal key." So its not really different other than thats its uncraft.

Collector's item

so wouldn't that mean only collectors would buy?

Of course. What point are you trying to make?

that collectors would buy and that it does the exact same as a regular key nothing more, nothing less, other than look cool in your backpack.

That's what collectors do. They collect items for display. For example, if I had every demoknight sword in collector's quality, I wouldn't use all of them, but I can say "hey, I have every demoknight sword in collector's quality."

People buy and sell this as a collector's item, not as a regular key.

which year's key is this one? Trying to dig up some trades.

2011

Heres proof to help this trade:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13121789 - sold for 3 keys

-Only one. Gonna upvote b/c there really is very little for sale and those that are, are for 3 keys+

How did you find that one? I looked all over outpost and bazaar and didnt find that one!

but anyway, thanks for the help :p

Now we have 2 sales @ 3 keys, and one that got a 2 keys offer in less than a day

this is the guy claim to have bought it for 3 for no reason and his bp is private. more like a fake offer in my eyes than anything else. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043286379

Im not going to lie, im going to upvote because this is most likely the best proof anyone will find, since once about 500 of them, Plus one sale. for this rare collectors item is quite the sight to see :) (upboat)

On your screenshot is not a Naughty Winter crate key Is only a Normal key (mann. co supply crate key)

Guessing you skipped every comment in here :/

It only shows as a normal key when trading, third party sites can identify them.

UPDATE:

The trade that popped up from somewhere sold for 2 KEYS

Proof: http://imgur.com/5nzbzGI

Mods decide what's right price

But he sold in less than a day, wouldnt that be a quicksell??

5 days

I suggest resuggesting with 2-3 keys

if people want this item priced at all, yes.

This is very interesting i have no idea were to stand, i certainly think it should be higher than a key now. Maybe higher than 3 keys i really don't know.

OH NO GUYS KEYS ARE RISING AGAI-

No wait, wrong kind of key.

I think it's the best if you keep your "jokes" in the great below. ;)

This item appears as a normal in your backpack, no use for collecting it unless you constantly use third party sites

You could say that to every non 1-100 craft number collector too. Just because it isn't in game doesn't mean it isn't important.

I guess you're right.

The issues with the suggestion have been alluded to in comments