Suggestion: Arcana A Rather Festive Tree at 251.25–268 keys

Price Suggestion

~600 keys

arcana

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 16 Jun 14 17:23:09 +0000 by polar.

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6-7 months with no price? T~T

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19395631 Sold mine for a duped uncraft houwar (15-16 according to site)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19519825 B/O of 20, and offers around the 17 range. However, since it did not sell yet, i can't use this. Still, it can be taken as "this hat will not sell for less than 15."

Every other sell was over 4 months old. :/

Whatever the offers are, ya need two sales.

I'd say a HOUWAR might need overpay, too, but not sure about that.

The thing is, there are more than 2 solds. It's just that they are all very old, as pearly gates said. What is probably going to happen is that 2-3 months from now, the hat will still not be sold, making the trade I have "old evidence." This thing will never have a base price. X(

Lets be nice here guys...don't dislike their comments just because they want to discuss...They are after all correct about the recent 2 sales thing. It's just that there will indefinitely be no sale under 15 when the owner did not take 17-ish offers over a 4 month period, not to mention a sale won't happen anytime soon.

you need a minisuggestion for the duped houwar, page shows clean price

you cant make a range out of 1 sale

4 months is very old..

Nuh uh uh. Read this line: "And yes, those uncraft houwars were duped. But, there is no reason as to why the duplicate version of this item (or any item for that matter) should be worth more than the clean version. If the duplicate can sell for this much, then the clean definitely can." Meaning, the duped ones and the clean ones are currently worth the same thing due to the clean one not being sold recently.

And yes, 4 months is very old, which is why I'm not using those as evidence (i can't).

cant get a range from 1 sale.

Please read the other responses.

i dont see anything about ranges in your responses. your supposed to take the middle value (15.5) not both the high end and low end.

When was this a necessity? I looked through both posts by blind polar bear here http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/ and saw nothing of the sort, besides this example:

" http://backpack.tf/v...cd7b82b7c8b472e - value here is really 100 +/- 10. Giving it any more precision, even 97-105, is honestly more precise than we can reasonably tell. "

It sounds like it is not that big of a deal. Even so if it was, the example he gave was with evidence that had a mixed offer, sobeing more specific would be harder to prove. With that I have here, it is just easy 1:1 proof. Tree for houwar. Done. No messy calculations. If the houwar sells for 15-16, then the tree might as well.

Now, about not being able to get a range form 1 sale:

"Exception rule: B/os can be used as the only proof in a suggestion ONLY if there are literally no usable sales in the last 2 months. In these situations, there is frequently a large buyer-seller gap and dropping the b/o might actually result in a few sales that could then be used to refine the value. These will be evaluated on a case by case basis. You must show previous sales and indicate why they are not usable (quicksells, sales for unpriced hats, etc.) "

As I said, trades are 4 months or longer old, and as a responce to TriAsian's comment, the anti-freeze sammy is an unpriced hat, making both unusable.

2 exceptions actually apply, here is the other:

"Rare Hats: Any hat can be priced based on a single sale if ALL these criteria are met:

- There are no other recent sales in the last 3 months (check)

- The effect is not a summer 2013 effect. (robo effects can be used as they are often rarely traded and rarely unboxed) (check)

- The hat went to a collector or person who intends to keep the hat. A collector can be identified by looking at the person's trade history, item history of similar unusuals in the backpack OR if the owner has not resold the hat 1 month after the sale occurred." (check. Check the owner's old outpost trades)

EDIT: I meant this person http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/5181

k, but the example link u sent is broken but i think i remember that from a while ago, but it gave the give or take 10, because it was alot higher in price, but yea i see where ur getting at.

Thanks for seeing it my way. :)

Here is the link btw: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5362b9b04cd7b82b7c8b472e

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15993298 - How much did you buy it for?

Anti-freeze sammy, which also has no price...but has gotten offers higher than the price I'm suggesting this hat at anyway.

Perhaps wait for another sale... I know you don't explicitly need two sales but it's a dicey range you have there, unless you're willing to change to 15.5, the mid value (HOUWARs don't need overpay)

Tell ya what. If an admin says I should change the range, I will, I gotta wait to see what one says anyway.

Lol@1$ale.

And yah, I read everything u posted, rules apply to everyone your not special, I would close this before an admin does

We need more common sense ppl in the community like this guy above me, the other guy has been trying to sell his for over 3 months with no luck, I talked with him privately and he said he was willing to take 10 for his, this hat has been bought for 6 in unusuals and sold for a houwar, its just to crazy a hat to determine the price. Which is why you need 2 $ales, but hey, u tried right? :)

Oh! You're this guy: http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/461064 Welcome back! I see that you have made another alt account to give yourself upvotes and downvote this one. Tis a shame that you are this butt hurt. I send you my blessings to guide you into a calm path.

Thank you Cashew

Heh. He even made an alt for here.

Am I seeing correctly that you got it for an antifreeze sammy cap + 27 keys and your b/o was 15 in pure on the sammy cap? That sale seems like it's less than your range.

I think you mean I got the tree + ~27 keys in items from the sammy cap, which then in this case you would be correct...if the offers on sammy held by the current owner weren't so high, eg: C9 Viewfinder (15-18.6), Terror YWN + KW BoA (16.3-18.5), Eerie Brainiac + arcana mining light + 1 bud (13.5 + ??? at LEAST 2 + 1 = 14.5 + at LEAST 2). When he offered the tree, I wanted him to add 1 pure bud to make the deal set, but I settled for what random items he had to offer, which he valued together at 27.

I wasn't sure if pricing based on unpriced hats was allowed, so i chose to ignore it. Nonetheless, the jist of the price of the sammy appears to be a conservative ~16+, and with the subtraction of the extra bud wanted, that technically puts the sale at ~15+ which is in the range anyway. Also, let's not forget the offers in this trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20292746. Within 20 hours, it got an offer of a Burning Hard Counter + Burning attendant (~17.75). The range I put is starting to look conservative itself.

But of course, If you think that logic is incorrect, I can change the range to something else.

Well my point is your b/o on the sammy cap was 15. And he added like 1.5 for it. Which means the sale wouldn't be more than 13.5.

So what should I change the range to

Well the Sammy Cap currently has no price. Maybe you could create a suggestion/mini-suggestion for it? Because it's hard to ignore that sale, especially since it's significantly lower than your current range

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/539c91624dd7b82b3e8b4aff

When I bought the Sammy from him, his current offer was a collecting offer of 15, not his B/O.

This is correct ^

Thank you for that reminder

what is this? shit hat shit effect. sorry for the off topic but seriously... proof seems fine but yeah, cant make a range out of it and the HOUWAR need a mini.

pweeese read the houwar suggestion, or at least the reply to pearly gates.

didnt read that,sorry. staying neutral though, mainly cause this price seems insane :3

It is insane, but true. I'm just making the suggestion because I had it at one point. >.<

Well, the value here seems insane and no mod wants to deal with this since it looks way too high. I would be amazed if it sells for this much again.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16573807 - sold probably for ~12ish 5 months ago. Not really a usable sale but at least it is somewhat reassuring that this can get 10+

Well, not going to assess this differently just because I think this is off. This was the sale and it's the only usable sale and it was made a long time ago. Price can be modified with future sales