Suggestion: Strange Part: Heavies Killed at 2.66 ref

Not to be harsh or anything. You went to invest on something very terrible, you expected that this will skyrocket on price once you invest on it and I believe you realize your mistake as well. Now you are desperately trying to raise the price for this item from item to time :P

Fortunately for you, this time your suggestion seems a bit better than the previous ones you suggested. Leaning towards upvote at the moment.

Not the best investment I've made, but it's relatively sound in terms of constantly rising.

Sold mine within an hour for 2.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20252928

Accelerating the speed of the car.

Sad thing is even if u bump this to 3 refined if you got this 3-6 months ago you will loose money on it, by the time u sell only a part of that - keys will go way over 10 refined....

Not true, actually. If I invested 2~ ref in each one, and prices go up to 3~ ref (which they honestly are at this point) then I have made 1.5 times profit. That would mean for me to NOT make profit that keys would have to go up 1.5 times what they were.

My point was refined dropped a lot (and will continue to drop), if keys where 7 and you paid 2 (on avg), if you sell for 3 on avg when keys reach 10 (on avg) - that is not 50% since refined is getting down fast...It is more refined, but value is similar, if u kept those keys you would "earn" even more ref.

No, you're looking at it wrong. If I put 2 into each heavy part when keys were 7, then each key was prox. 3.5 heavies. Even if heavies go up to just 3 ref (which they already are at the very least) then I will have made 11.5 ref and at this time keys are just 9 ref. Even with ref declining by a few cents, it doesn't make a big difference (maybe a ref difference).

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20288820 --> Sold for 2.33 ref within 3 - 4 hours of posting.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20270166 --> Sold for 2.66 ref within a day.

1 buyer for 2.66. You've got to be joking.

"Finding sales is nearly impossible". Has 129 in backpack.

Bought literally all of them from over 4 months ago. That's not valid proof.

wow, somebody is annoyed that my comment is true.

I think the reason that it is impossible to find sales because he has them all!

I've proven 2.33 to be a quicksell, and the last approved thread had proof almost exactly like mine.

the one buyer at 2.66 is POORLY bumped. also looking in his bp, HE CANT EVEN AFFORD IT. Making that an invalid trade.

Here, have some recycled proof.

http://imgur.com/s9FPNVI - 2.33

http://imgur.com/bUPGEj2 - 2.66

http://imgur.com/osLqTDg - 2.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16433376 - old, but offer of 2 and 3 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130991 - multiple offers of 2, offer of 2.33, 2.44 and 3.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20085131 poorly bumped but seller for 2.33, no takers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20057573 poorly bumped, seller for 1? (prob not) no takers

Second link is sold. First link hasn't been bumped after initial opening.

Hey, it's this suggestion again!

Of course, a person that suggests it (with fewer links) gets it accepted on the very first try, but if I try doing the same thing, it's price manipulation, even though admins had finally realized what I've been saying all along.

People love to hate me, you know?

You know why it's hard to find proof? Because you keep hoarding them in order to manipulate the price.

Literally haven't bought a single part in 4 months. Your argument is invalid beyond all belief.

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Strange%20Part%3A%20Allied%20Healing%20Done/Tradable/Craftable Worked for me, just think he had poor choice of a part to monopolize.

Heavies is far more stable, in my opinion. Plus the fact I've stopped investing around 6 months ago due to looking to cash out in the nearish future.

if "Heavies is far more stable" then why does it need a suggestion?

What kind of person owns 129 strange parts heavies killed xD

downvoted, lack of proof.

I have more links than the last accepted proof for heavies killed had, and that was accepted. Clearly is more than enough proof.

no, clearly this is price manipulation

I'm not sure if that was satirical or not. In either case, this is just an update. If people are paying bp.tf values on quicksell threads, there is 0 reason the price should remain.

dude, you have 129 of them, you can't tell me that you are not price manipulating, because, seriously, 129??? Also, you have one buyer and 2 solids, with all those people who are selling within the price range. just, no... in fact i have half a mind to make a suggestion, 2-2.33!

Are you sure you know how outpost works? People are paying for the items on the RIGHT side, not left.

i know how it works, i am just pointing out that you have only 2 solds, which is needed to raise a price, to prove your price. Also, going back to price manipulation, most sellers would sell them for low price, which in the current case, would be 2 ref. that give you 258 refined, 30 keys and 1.7 buds. at the price you are suggesting, you get 343 refined, 41.1 keys, and about 2.5 buds. THAT IS NEARLY A HUNDRED REFINED DIFFERENCE!

Although I agree it is weird that you own 129 of these... I believe that you would know what price it's worth (As long as you aren't trying to fetch a better price)

actually no, because i am looking at the last suggestion right now, and he had 5 in the range. you only have 2. next time check the previous suggestions before you get annoyed

I'm disproving the current range, which admins have told me is sufficient to bump it up. I have over 100 accepted suggestions while you only have 2. You have very little idea of how this works.

you are still being a price manipulator, because you have way too many of these not to be one.

Logic of the year, give this man a medal.

thank you for the medal

# of links =/= Good proof

IF you really could buy these for 2.66 ($0.64) or less, then you could make an easy profit by selling them on Steam Market, where they sell for $1 (you would get $0.85 each after Valve tax).

So... here's how to make free money. Just buy a few of these parts for 2.66 ref, sell them on Steam market, buy keys on the market, sell the keys for ref, and repeat the process. Every time, you make 20% profit. Soon you will be rich!

Well... it's a great plan, but it doesn't work, because it's damn hard to buy them for the current bp.tf price range. It's hard even if you offer 2.66, the high end of the current range.

And that's how we can see that the current price range is too low

Thank you for being the single logical person here.

Either do that for profit...

... or hold onto the keys.

More proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15130991 Offer of 2.66, not taken, 4 days old

Doesn't really look like he pays attention to the trade anymore. He has offers without selling anything from the look of it.

It's still a legitimate offer.

Since when are inactive trades valid proof? How is that any more valid then an under-bumped trade that has no attention?

If the user isn't looking to sell it but never bothered to manage the trade, I don't see how that can be logical proof.

Besides, 2.66 ref is already in the range. Technically this doesn't support your flat range anymore then validate the current range.

Also, looking through your "quicksells", I noticed these:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18636421 Bought 2 alone this week at 2 ref.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18402439 Rejected a 2.66 seller 5 days ago.

Then your 2.66 buyer here http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20090675 Only appears to have bought one then closed the trade. Bought the part in 18 hours.

From the proof you've given us, I don't see a high demand for 2.66 at all when 2 ref is still possible. Unless you can proof that 2.66 happens far more often then 2 ref, then you might have something going on. Although from the proof you've provided us, it's a pretty easy downvote.

When people are buying the parts for 2 ref, that is a very clear sign of it being a quicksell. Admins and other users alike use this logic all the time in their suggestions. If people are BUYING unlimited items at a fixed price, that range doesn't deserve to be in the item price.

Thats alot of those youve got there

Indeed. I do have a lot.

3 weeks ago, I sold a Heavies Killed at 2.66, it had gone fast.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19771382

Definitely need a bump.

And to people who downvote this because he owns many: The fact that he owns multiples of this item does not invalidate the incontrovertible proof provided. As a matter of fact, a trader that often deals with a suggested item is usually a more reliable source for a given item as he will be more adept at noticing market trends.

Thank you for not blindly hating me like everybody does. And thank you for the proof, as well.

We're downvoting because of the fact that his proof is piss poor and either outdated or invalid. He has even admitted in the past that he's doing this for his own benefit, very hypocritical of you saying how we aren't looking at his proof when you have not read a single word that the other sane people are posting about why his proof sucks.

Classified listings (at time of posting)

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c9e6634dd7b8db278b4569

2x 2 Ref

2x 2.33 Ref

0x 2.66 Ref

Classified listings > at this posting

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c9e6634dd7b8db278b4569

2x 2 Ref > Still not online

2x 2.33 Ref >> Sold

0x 2.66 Ref >> 1 x 2.66 ref

I sold mine within an hour for 2.66 ref the one that was on classified for 2.66 ref :P

ikr ... i didn't add you to leave it as a proof :)

It will be an irony if this suggestion gets rejected/closed just because the suggester, 'Avery the Abscissioned', has 129. Haters gonna hate.

The fact is there are 9399 of this item. Avery has 1.5%. Where are the 98.5% ? Where are the 9000 items?

The fact remains that it's very hard to find this item at 2.00 - 2.33 refs. 2.00 - 2.33 refs 'has been' quicksells for quite sometimes and perhaps longer in future.

" http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c9e6634dd7b8db278b4569

2x 2 Ref

2x 2.33 Ref "

should have been 'gone' if the sellers ever go online. This is one of cases, i believe, to be discussed in forum: unsold because seller is not online affecting price suggestion proofs.

Easy Upvote for me.

This is a joke, downvote.

Upvote but why do you have so many?????

Holy Sh1t!

Talk about price manipulation...

i see that some1 is bad at finding proof, here u got big dawg.

Well anyway here are some 1,2,2.33 ref solds. So as you can see the current range is fine...

http://puu.sh/9lTZ3/e069fb9d59.png

http://puu.sh/9lUfs/52dbeb4d4e.png

http://puu.sh/9lUBu/4ca6075731.png

http://i.imgur.com/77PQmoa.png

http://puu.sh/9lVSI/67ac39e29f.png

If you want me to find more, give me 30 minuites and ill go buy 4 more or something i guess.

Seems like you are faster than me, I recognized 2 of the sellers. 1 more to go ... Cheers!

edit >>>> wow, u got the last one too ... congrats.

So there is actually no more supply in classifieds now

i looked in classifed for 2 seconds and say 6 buyers for below 2.66, so i added them all, and in total i bought 3 from class, and 1 from outpost, the other proof was when i added them trying to buy em but i was too late, so they still just gave me a screenshot of the trade so it can still be used as proof.

http://puu.sh/9mdSB/337049aa4f.png got another one rather easily

It looks like they all sold without a bump or in extremely little time, to me. Those signify quicksells.

nope, they didnt sell without a bump... you said no1 was selling below 2.66, i found 8 or so sellers below 2.66.....

No, I said nobody is selling for 2 ref. And that doesn't change that people are still paying 2.33 per heavy part. Which = quicksell. Meaning that 2.33 should be out of the range. Also:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19771382

and =[pG]=™ ϟPlaxorøus☢ sold his for 2.66 in an hour

1 more sale for 2.66, but yet i have solds at 2, 2.33, and 1 ref.

1 ref is an obvious outlier, and so are 2 and 2.33 if THERE ARE BUYERS WILLING TO BUY THEM AT THAT PRICE!

Also, it'd be two. First link is not Plaxorous.

OWN 129? xD GG !

owns 129...

I love how Offline can have a bajillion of an item and do an update with legit proof and everyone's ok with it, but Avery does it and gets crapped on.

It's not price manipulation, if anything they know the market on that item better than everyone else.

its price manipulation if they got no proof though. he said no1 was selling for under 2.66, i found 8 of em. he only had 1 buyer at 2.66 and that was his ONLY proof at the start of this suggestion.

It's always price manipulation if the person doing the suggestion has a reason for it. He wouldn't do this suggestion if he didn't own 120+ I can tell you that right now.

My reason is that I'm tired of people saying "hurdur gud bp.tf price" when it's clearly outdated. It's not fun to have people lowball the shit out of your items when they clearly are able to sell for more than bp.tf price is.

or...because you own 129 of them?:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

If I ever DID decide to sell them, I wouldn't want an outdated price. So I'm updating the price to something more accurate. I invest in items that are guaranteed to rise, and when they do rise, I update the price. What you forget is that bp.tf is just a website that reflects what things sell for, and that bp.tf doesn't determine what they sell for.

Ok then, then whats with the tiny amount of proof?

This is about twice as much proof as the last heavies suggestion had, and that got accepted without more than 10 comments.

but very little proof of 2.66, you proved they sell and buy for 2,2.33, but not that enough people want em for 2.66

I have like 4 or 5 sales at 2.66. That's pretty significant for such a small market.

Wait, if you aren't selling them, then why does it matter if people lowball for them? If they aren't for sale, then it shouldn't annoy you that you aren't getting decent offers on them since they aren't even for sale. So are you trying to sell them? I don't see any other reason why lowball offers on parts you aren't selling would be annoying.

As I said, when/if I decide to sell them I would like the price to be current and accurate.

129 parts of the same thing he is rising up...legit

obviously trying to get a profit for self- this guy owns 129 of them

also not enuf proof

I don't sure if this proof is enough/good but people who flame just because suggester has too many amount of this item is pathetic...

This has about twice as much proof as the last heavies suggestion, so I figured this would be enough as well. But thank you for being one of the very few people here that don't go apemode upon me for having so many.

these people are so full of shit, not enough proof? this guy has more than enough proof (upvote) . who gives a rats ass about how many he/she has we vote upon proof of sellers and buyers. not rarity, not drop systems, and not how many a damn person has. Pfft low lifers hate'n.

No wonder finding sales is nearly impossible, you might have 99% of the existing items in the game. I wonder if people at least blush...

I have less than 2% of the total items in the game. That leaves 98% + left out there.

"Not the best investment you made" ?! Mate if the Chemistry Set #3 wouldn't hit you'd sell out of these in a week!

I've been selling these for 4 for ages, if you want the proof .. say pretty please! ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16433376 )

Thanks for the proof! Can you post some screenshots of your solds?

Say pretty please >:@

predee plz

http://i.imgur.com/rev7nUj.jpg

7 sellers over 1 month or something - I've been selling them for 5 months, I've sold alot more than 35 though ^^

- Fact no 1. Limited market, only few sellers selling this item, that explains the amount of proofs.

- Fact no 2. Classified http://backpack.tf/classifieds/search/id/52c9e6634dd7b8db278b4569

in Less than 24 hours was

2x 2 Ref > sold

2x 2.33 Ref > sold

0x 2.66 Ref > 1 x 2.66 > sold

meaning 2.00 - 2.33 sold like peanuts.

- Fact no 3. Ready buyers for 2 - 2.33 refs outnumber 2 - 2.33 sellers.

just so you know, i bought all of the sellers on classifieds to use it as proof that 2-2.33 still is possible to get, thats why it seemed like a quicksell

... so you think that this suggestion will be rejected/closed if 2.-2.33 is 'still' possible to get? If that so, in a way, over the wrong basis, you have tried manipulating the proofs so that price stays under par?

FYI, that's not enough, to destroy this suggestion you need to counter with proofs that 2.66 ref is 'unsold', there are 'many' sellers at 2-2.33 ref, and 2-2.33 are not 'quicksells'. CMIIW

Oh, if you don't need the items anymore, i'll take care of them for you, pure, as you got them. (sorry mods)

Why are you collecting heavies killed? WHY?

Profit. I invest in items that rise in price over time and I'm simply updating the price to reflect that rise.

A good strategy, but I would rather trade unusuals. Its more dynamic and I don't get bored sitting around waiting for stuff to happen.

To each their own. Good suggestion, by the way, I upvoted.

That's also what I do now, but at the time of buying all of these I had a bunch of pure laying around and was buying unusuals slower than I was at selling them, so I decided to buy. Also, thanks.

I like it how 2 solds can change someone's life.

OWN : 126 .......... VOTE NO

Doesn't matter how many they own, as long as the proof is good then it's fine. But there's very limited proof here.

Its not limited proof at all. His suggestion is much better than the last few ones on this. Also, compare and contrast with the last suggestion that was accepted. Also, Please look at the supported links that many of us(me included) provided

For an item like this, it is more than enough.

Hey kiddie - http://i.imgur.com/rev7nUj.jpg

Thanks a bunch for the proof!

I invested in these as well ;_;

It takes so long for them to come back up.

Also the Hive mind and circle jerk here is insane.

Someone starts the hatred and Avery, and everyone follows up. Think for yourselves people, not what everyone else is thinking.

This proof shouldn't pass however, not enough proof for people BUYING :(

If you look through the thread there are roughly 6 or 7 sales for 2.66 or more.

OWNING

ITEMS

DOES

NOT (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

NECESSARILY

IMPLY

PRICE MANIPULATION!

maybe you should close this thread anyway because it looks like most people here didn#t read the rules & just downvote as a matter of principle. It is right, the more of the regarding items the owner posses, the more catious you have to be with the offer & when someone owns 129 of the same strange part you have to be EXTREMLY Catious, but just denying because "has items -> must be price manipulation!" ("you are still being a price manipulator, because you have way too many of these not to be one." to quote from the discussion) is just stupid & only disproves your intelligence. This deserves, in my mind, a voting-ban. It is nothing better than price manipulation itself.

It is absolutely valid to deny this because you say you don't see enough proof, or to claim price manipulation BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROOF FOR IT TO BE SO (You accuse, You have to bring proof), but just say "owns it -> price manipulation" is absolute bullshit logic

btw: HELP CALL TO ALL ADMINS! This discussion is an emergency patient!

Holy fuck people are stupid. Stop complaining about his lack of proof.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/209685820 - Cheapest on the market is 3.33 ref. There is no more proof if any under that are snatched up in seconds.

Manipulation is fine especially in the case of something needing a large bump. Upvote.

This isn't really manipulation, this is more like updating outdated price. Manipulation would be, suggesting with poor proof/below average proof with owning more than enough of the specific item suggested by that person to manipulate the market.

He has more than enough proof for an item like this. (I added about 5 -6ish links to support his suggestion price).

Overall, this does needs a bump up. ^.^

While the initial proof left some range concerns, sufficient supporting proof has been provided through the time this has been up to justify suggested price.

Accepting.