Suggestion: Cloud 9 Glasgow Great Helm at 92.13–122.28 keys

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~22 keys

cloud 9

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This suggestion was closed Sat, 21 Jun 14 03:54:01 +0000 by [GIRL] Mr. Bucket.

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Normaly dont like to do this until hat has been moved on, but this time felt the need to correct the price that was suggested 3 times bye a guy who clearly has a problem with the hat or an owner of that hat.

He may have found dome QS sales and some 1 offs as he has tried this price so many times, but here is 2 proofs of recent sales that more clearly reflects what recent sales (not Qs Sales) have been and what they really go for.

sale 1

http://i.imgur.com/jhGtyvA.png

http://i.imgur.com/VpiSV73.png

http://i.imgur.com/mChXxuu.png

http://i.imgur.com/uBoSd7P.png

http://i.imgur.com/JKr4FnM.png

this trade was for a Killa watt Headspliter, which regardless of the opinion of summer haters is 7-9.6 Buds on Bptf or 8.3 on mid price, pluss the guy added a bud so thats 8.3-1=7.3 so there is solid proof of a recent 7.3 bud unusual trade,

Sale 2

http://imgur.com/UO1A2rs

http://imgur.com/M5PmUoM

http://imgur.com/YgcwXkR

This trade was for multiple hats and sewwts including the glasgow for a secret Connoisseur's Cap at the time priced at 12.4-14 buds or 13.2 mid and the hats and items traded for it are as fallows a Streaming trench topper 1 bud bptf price, pluss a sunbeams Frenchmans Berret 3.3-3.8 Buds or 3.6 mid bptf price, pluss 2 buds pure, pluss 10 keys pluss a Strange holy mackerel 4 keys bptf, and a genuine maul 4-4.5 keys bptf

so thats all the other hats and sweets

2 buds+ 1 bud topper bp mid price= 3 + 3.6 berret= 6.6 + 10 keys pure and 8 in items about 1.1 bud so 6.6 + 1.1 = 7.7

so 13.2 for conn price at time of trade minus 7.7

13.2 - 7.7 = 5.5

proof of recently being valued at 5.5 on a multi hat, mixed deal

Again sorry to suggest before i have moved it along, but new price is rediculas and clearly from a guy with other motives, so needed to do this before summer haters started to force people to sell hats that have sold for alot more for less, all of my info is correct and took me an hour to put this all together so please take time and read all the info i have given before you vote

LOL

Pointless comment xD -_-

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19988555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18589542

These are the two sales used as evidence in the most recent accepted suggestion (1.8-2.0). You accuse the person who created the previous suggestion of using quicksales as evidence, but neither of these are quicksales.

You also suggest that the creator of the previous accepted suggestion has "other motives" in submitting a suggestion that dramatically lowered the price of the hat, but you have not made any specific suggestion as to what these other motives might be. You however have clear ulterior motives for raising the hat's price, as you own one yourself.

You also seem to construe his multiple attempts to price the hat as an indication that he has some personal bias against it, but in the course of pricing an item, multiple attempts are often necessary when oversights are made in initial suggestions.

And you need to resuggest with overpay applied. You clearly went to the trouble of calculating it when you were asked about it, so you might as well correct your mistake.

You need overpay applied. Some hats are outdated. You can't say connoisseur's cap was 12.4 - 14 at the time. It was outdated, now worth 11.

Sales price based off price of hat at the time, any seller can only use price at time of sale as there is no way to look into a crystal ball and speculate what price might become in future so your argument not relivant or every price on bp would need to be updated every time 1 hat sells to reflect that sale against every onther hat it has ever sold for

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20377751 b/o of 4...

Another price manipulation suggestion... Even looking at the comments it seems you haven't calculated any overpay and used outdated hat prices.

no manipulation, just corrent proof of sales with photos, which was what i read as what was needed to suggest, not a b/o on op that the seller could be looking for pure only on, but actuall proof of sales, so if it sells for 4 in unusuals then post a photo of that not a b/o price that you dont know what will actually be sold for, though it is true that i didnt calcutlate over pay as i didnt see this requirment in the rules before i posted, and im not sure how to do the caluculation? if anyone knows how to calculate unusual over pay and would like to adjust this to reflect that then please do. or even send me the info on how to calculate this and i would be happy to adjust i just simply dont know how and didnt see a requirment or instrutcions to do so

Look at your range, there's almost a 2 bud gap. Also, it doesn't matter what the b/o of 4 sells for, he's willing to sell much lower than your suggested range. If he was paid 7 in unusuals, then the sale value would still be 4 because no sale can be higher than is b/o.

Overpay is calculated by doing 0.9 * mid-value of the valid hat price.

I agree its a wide range but thats the proof af sales, b/o,s not relivant as this is not a proof of any sale, and as i have read in rules for this site(not your opinion) that 2 proofs of actual sales is whats required. If it sell for 4 pure thats 4.4 with your pure pay conversion so if your b/o is acutally valid proof of anything it is that if you want to make a new suggestion for 4.4- 6.57 based on your b/o info, the .9 conversion for overpay, and my real proof (as if even though not stated in rules your b/o is proof, is just a 3rd "proof" to consider and does nothing to disprove my phtos of actual sales).

using the conversion for unusual overpay that i did not previosly know would make range 4.95 buds for sale 2 based on bp mid price at time of sale x .9 for unusual overpay, and 6.57 buds fo sale 1 based on bptf mid price x.9 for unusual overpay

so that puts range at 4.95-6.57 buds a corretion that now includes overpay

I appreciate your desire to interpret the recommendations for suggesting unusual values in such a way so as to manipulate this particular hat's value in your favour but you're ignoring the past sales, simply stating that every lower sale is irrelevant because it wasn't based on old, outdated and now-wrong values.

This is still invalid - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20377751 - buyout of 4 buds.

You should actually refer to the previous selling price and the offer(s) accepted, once the Previous Buy-Out Price has changed (increased or decreased) and the sale is done, It will alter the current selling price of the item. That's the economy.

Anyway, he still never applied overpay. And this is clearly price manipulation.

actually the only thing that is clear here is that you keep grabbing for excuses to keep price of hat you dont like down, other then that only clear thing here are sales 1 and 2 with photo proof. if anything is manipulation its you using adds for hats that havent sold, instead of looking at photos of REAL SALES

the reason your op b/o is not proof of anything, is that its not a completed sale, you have no idea if guy only selling for pure, for all you know the guy will refuse all unusual offers unless they are 10 buds, thus this is not a proof of anything but an add existing on op until it becomes a sale and you can provide proof of that with photos

You are wrong both of these trades are correct and also the overpay has been calculated, read the other comments before stating this.

I don't see it in the range. Last time I checked, the headsplitter sale was 6.5.

REALLY? http://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Horrific%20Headsplitter/Tradable/Craftable/56

so your now even going so far to say that the bptf price is not valid on a bptf price suggestion or the fact that on the link for headplitter stats there is a classified add displayed for a kaw headsplitter currently for 8. keep grasping at straws

This is not case for the backpack.tf price of a kaw horrific headsplitter and for outpost...

Didn't mean to remove my comment. Anyway, http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53a2b19c4dd7b8b06a8b469b that makes headsplitter 6.7. 6.7 * 0.9 = 6. 6 - 1 is 5, therefore the sale is 5 and not 7.3. And for god sake, overpay was not applied in the range.

I found some past selling prices. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53a134b24cd7b8bb3e8b45a4 Why aren't those valid?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19988555 - sold for PE capotain ~ 1.8 buds

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18589542 - sold for sulph ze goggles, add bills ~ 2 buds

You keep downvoting me, but the sales are correct.

It's also funny how everyone who is disagreeing with me is either an owner of this hat, or has never made a successful suggestion before.

I Hate to turn people down but I'll have to say this, how can you be so sure the trades were done with the above offers? clearly Stated they were taking offers. Also talking about the effect tier cloud 9 stands High, although its a 3rd gen effect. If the newer the worse I don't see why a Chiropetra Venenata (aka. Scorching Bat) can go 6.5. Your theory may sound legit to you but it's another story when talking about the hat and effect tier. Head Splitter is an all class misc, you shouldn't compare it to a Single Class Demo Cosmetics

Some recent buy-outs in pure:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20377751 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307514 3

In your first sale, this hat was quite clearly intended as a sweetener to add some value. Your second sale's using an outdated value.

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