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1 Ref no longer sells, and here is why :
Remember, times goes on, so the time listed below will increase by the time you see this suggestion.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21205519 - 2 Days old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21249818 - 18 Hours old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21214669 - 4 Critties at 1 Ref each - 2 days old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21249413 - 19 Hours old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21189587 - 3 Days old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21258828 - 12 Hours old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21196849 - 2 Days old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21050620 - 1 Week old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18330864 - 4 Months old..?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21248975 - 19 Hours old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21140575 - 4 Days old - unbumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20579854 - Has 6 for sale only 3 sold within 3 whole weeks - 3 weeks old
Solds or sellers at .66?
Seller at 0.66 :
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20990461 - 1 Week old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21135664 - 5 Days old - Unbumped
There are only 2 pages on outpost with this item.
2 poorly bumped sellers is really not enough proof.
Unsolds at 1 ref won't make the price drop. Downvote.
EDIT; you don't need sales but sales are nice to have.
he isnt lowering the price he is removing the high end of it
Is your comment really necessary?
you need sellers who are not quickseller under the price to lower a price ^^ unsold won't proove anything :) (except that the demand isn't high)
I am eliminating the useless range here, I don't want the price to drop. (Unless you consider ranges removed as a price drop).
There is only one page and 2 classifieds here.
You've stated 2 sellers at 0.66 while the majority are selling for 1 or higher. I disagree with this because of the lack of proof. Downvote for now.
One refined sellers are unsuccessful, I have gotten all of the classifieds on tf2outpost listed here, which are looking for pure or overpay.
Again, the majority are unsuccessful selling the vintage crit-a-cola which they have at the high-end of this item, which is one refined.
Yet you haven't provided a single sold for the item. There is nothing more to be said, this is lacking proof.
You're not making sense... I don't need solds to remove the higher range...
Actually, I think I'm making perfect sense and you're just unable to take feedback.
Let me say this clearly, you want to take 1 refined out of the range just because 2 people are selling at 0.66? The rest are selling for 1 refined. In addition, where is the proof that 1 doesn't sell if most of your sellers are <1 day old?
Your words are falling on them selves, If I'm unable to take feedback I would have done to others like I did to you, the majority are unable to sell at 1 refined.
What did you do to me? Nothing.
I'll quote the post above me "Unsolds at 1 ref won't make the price drop. Downvote."
I'm not dropping the price I'm removing the higher end because it does not sell at 1 refined!
Prove it.
LOOK ABOVE YOU DAMN IT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE
If I understand correctly, no proof is needed for it selling @ 0.66, because that's already accepted as both part of the current and new ranges. It's understood that it sells at 0.66, that's why the current range was accepted. It's also understood that it sells at 1 ref. All Swamp is trying to do -- and all that I believe he is required to do -- is prove that it does not sell at 1 ref, since it's wrong. He's not proving 0.66 right -- that's already been done. He's only proving 1 ref wrong.
If I'm wrong, please explain how. Thank you.
Now with ALL of that being said, upvote.
It is the suggester's job to provide proof for the price they suggest, and not rely on others or previous suggestions for proof. And with their proof they should be proving that the suggested price represents the most commonly traded price on the market.
Dude!
What is there not to get?
I'm not removing 0.66 or lowering it, so I don't need to get proof of 0.66 or lower, I'm only removing the high end because it does not sell at that ammount...
I understand what you're trying to do. You still need proof for .66.
Why do I need proof for 0.66..?
Explain that to me.
The prices on Bp.tf represent the current trading market. If there are so few sellers or solds at .66 ref, how can you say .66 best represents the market? This item may indeed need a price drop, but you should wait and gather solds/sellers first to prove it, because at the current time there aren't enough. Unsolds in a high quantity can be used to help drop a price, but not without other proof.
A quote from the rules,( http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/ )
""Unsolds"—trades which have been trying and failing to get a certain price—should only be used as evidence if they are old (a few days at least). Unsolds without autobumps aren't always good representatives of the market. Unsolds by themselves are not very conclusive."
Hope this helps.
I really appreciate the time you've taken into that, but this is from 0.66 - 1 to 0.66, not like one of those from a solid 1 refined to a solid 0.66, this is not a direct price drop for this is a suggestion which eliminates the range. That is not the case.
The price is usually considered the average of the range, so it is still a drop. If you hover your mouse over the old and new price by the voting you will see.
Well, I listed all of the sellers, there are no more.
Good amount of proof to disprove 1 ref from the range. I think this has been a suggestion though with more attention below the proof than on it. Upvote.
Not quite enough here unfortunately. You have two links at 0.66, one of which is unbumped.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21214669 - in this link alone, there are 2 sales at 1 ref. That's more proof at 1 ref than you have at 0.66.
I'll admit, these seem really tough to sell at 1 ref. But in the absence of more solid proof for 0.66, there just isn't enough here.