Suggestion: Collector's Vintage Tyrolean at 90.25 keys

Price Suggestion

~121 keys

136 votes up

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This suggestion was closed Mon, 28 Jul 14 21:12:34 +0000 by polar.

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Hold your horses now. Sleep until the sun goes down. Through the woods we ran. Deep into the mountain sound.

#ForcedSongTheme

Because the Tyrolean originates from Tyrol in the Alps, so mountains.

Ugh, wrong currency. Resuggested.

Tyrolean>>>>>>>Every Other Medic Hat

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20356768

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198045585541?time=1404975600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198045585541?time=1405062000

Tyrolean + Peace Brigade(~1.25) for 6 buds

Brigade wasn't gifted at the time of sale.

Thanks to ḎℰѦÐ! бум (Boom)! and M-T-P | Raccon. for making the suggestion for the Peace Brigade.

My first suggestion for an item worth over a bud, so any advice and constructive criticism is appreciated.

This is not accurate. I quicksold the tyrolean along with a peace sign brigade, because I needed pure instantly. I could have, and WOULD have got more out of it if I had not needed the pure instantly.

And I also had an offer nearing 2 pure on the brigade when buds were ~16 keys a pop, soooooo that's wrong too.

You had it up for about a month. I'm pretty sure the sale can't be considered a quicksale.

The trade was indeed up for a month, but the offer I gave to Fawnzee was only up for 10 minutes at most before I had six earbuds sitting in my inventory. Ten minutes, I believe, fits within the time range for a quicksale, does it not? If I'm not mistaken, quicksales are not viewed as valid proof on backpack.tf, sooooo....

Basically, we were on teamspeak when I noticed someone was quickselling a ghosts beak for 6 buds (which I didn't even get in the end sadly), so I asked her, knowing she had more than 6 pure buds, if she would take these two items at a heftily discounted price so I could go and buy it. As was mentioned before, I didn't manage to buy the beak, since he went offline as I was going to message him. I later bought a Vintage Max's with the 6 buds plus two borrowed from a friend, if you're wondering.

Hell, the notes on my trade say it in perfect phrasing.

TL;DR - The trade being open for one month does not mean the price I sold it at was there for a month. Thanks! ~Gil

Oh and before a new price comes out for the max, that too was a quicksale. Between being told of it and buying it, there was no more than 15 minutes.

It would be a quicksale if you were selling the combo for 6 buds within 10 minutes. But it was YOU who took the deal (which was made after a month), thus it's not a quicksale. It might even be worth less, just because you took the offer so fast...

I made the offer to her - can you not read the wall I posted above?

I needed pure ASAP and the deal was so good for her that she took it instantly

Note: YES, SHE took it. Not me. SHE took the offer, because I made it.

Oh k. I was kinda tired.

Anyway, this hat is still up for trade, so in my opinion it shouldn't get a price for now, same as pricing a new unusual needs at least two solds (within 3 months).

Also I must mention that prices are supposed to be based on 2+ sales, not just one, especially not if the one is a quicksale.

Not a quicksell if it was up for over a month. This suggestion is incredibly accurate. He only needs 1 sale, and that's it.

Considering that the seller asked someone with a bunch of pure to buy their hats on the spot, it does seem like a quicksell.

What you're saying is that I could list a Burning TC for 150 Buds for 2 months, then one day decide to sell it for 60 because I really need pure buds that moment for whatever reason, and that 60 bud value is not a quicksell.

He had no offers other than this - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21184457 - and that isn't too far off the suggested price. He then rushed somebody else to buy it from him

Current seller - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21130973 B/o of 8 buds and has had 0 interest in over a week. So nothing near 8 is possible for this.

The Unusual (4-4.7) + Str. Genuine Archimedes (between 10-13 keys) + Str. Kritz (34-37) equals around 6.1 buds after overpay alone, not even including the spec killstreaks and str. parts on all that stuff. Saying that that offer is close to this suggested price is silly.

--Also, he got offered that in 6 hours after he made the OP trade.

He quoted the wrong medic set as the one he linked wasn't even created until after this trade closed.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20283893

So he had 1 offer in the month and the buyer seems to have redacted since there was ample time for Gil to accept when he saw he was getting no other offers.

Danke. Clicked on the wrong one xD

Ah. My mistake, I should've double checked that before figuring out the price.

Without the Kritz, it does fall pretty close to the suggested range (the Hat + Archimedes is about 4.4, and there's a bunch of spec killstreaks, so I'd guess it's around 4.7 or so if you add those in). It was still offered pretty quickly though, and I dont see evidence of the offerer retracting (although I assume he did after he got that Kritz).

Guess I'll stay neutral on this one. I don't really agree with the price for the reason I stated above, but I wouldn't be surprised if it passed.

Looke here m8, I wanted to comment to make these lines longer, that is not what she said.

"one trade does not represent the entire market!"

It isnt a quicksale, however the fact that the only offer so far was easily above the current range suggests you should resuggest when this sells again, there is no need to suggest with only one sale that could go either way from being invalid-valid. If the current seller doesnt have any success selling this item for over 4.8 buds after a month, you can use this sale.

SSJ5 linked the wrong set.

As ramses said, he was made an offer after 1 month and He accepted the deal, that isn't a quicksale. And the other owner is having no success at all with selling higher.

I agree that it isnt a quicksell, but when an offer is higher than the suggested price the sale that is barely valid shouldnt be used to establish the price

He had a c/o of 5 buds on the set that was retracted and that was the sets highest offer.

did out the math on the new link, seems like the set is about 5, this seems fine then

You fail to realise that I made the offer to Fawnzee when I needed pure instantly. That constitutes a quicksale since the offer I gave her was taken instantly.

Oh and it should probably be noted how poorly bumped her trade is since she's not been online much at all recently.

You were offered it and accepted it.

I offered it to her and she accepted it. I needed pure quickly so I sold them cheap. Simple as!

Guys, everyone just fucking downvote this. I am a good friend with gil, and I saw he needed the pure quickly. A quicksale is 30% off the price at the lowest, and 4.8, which is your quicksale price, would mean that 4.8 times 1.3 (30%) is 6.384, or 6.4 rounded up. If you want to remake the suggestion for 6.4, I would be fine with it. Aswell as the brigade is not for sale, if that provides some clarity to the reason of gifting.

aswell as I was away for a week, and my trades weren't autobumping. Please learn all the details before you make a suggestion

1. There is no established amount that determines a quicksale price.

2. You are basing a "quicksale" price off of a B/O of an unpriced item.

3. I cannot remake the suggestion for 6.4 as it would be incorrect with the only sale happening at 4.8 and the only other offer supporting that price.

It was a quicksale, and if you are pricing it at 4.8 as a quicksale price, as I have seen that up there, then the calculations would make the normal price 6.4

Oh by your logic, let me go sell my Ghost El Jefe for 10 buds to my friend and claim it's a quicksale. Then go price is on bp.tf at 20 buds because 10 buds is a quicksale! It makes perfect sense!

Well considering that there is no valid proof at 4.8, you'd have just as much luck resuggesting at 6.4.

~Gil

OK From my experience, you must have two sales if its on the market, http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21130973

Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't been active in suggesting

I was still under the impression that only one sale was required for Collector's Hats and Miscs that are 1:1. I haven't seen anything otherwise, but I could be wrong. Either way, Booty and Kevin estimated the only other offer Gil got in the month it was up to be about the same as the proposed price.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5317b03c4cd7b82d6a8b4568 - Mod Statement

Since that suggestion was 5 months ago, I'm not sure if it still applies here

My interpretation of the last part was that polar was talking about if the Cosmetic has multiple copies. Similar to what is going to happen to the War Pig in a week if not less (just my estimate) and the idea tube at some point in the near future. Similarly, the Cannonball was up for sale when the price suggestion was active. I haven't seen anything contradicting polar's statement in the last few months. From the looks of it, 4.8 is an accurate price given that the only other offer in the month it was for sale was ~4.8-ish.

The only reason the Cannonball was priced with only one sale was because the owner was selling it in a set that included many profession ks items plus another collector's misc. If it was sold, it would be hard to find out the price of the item. But at the end, it's up to the mod's decision since its a case by case basis. It would be OK if the current owner wasn't able to sell it for over a month but he only had it for a week on the market.

Yes, Alter loves that set and to my knowledge is trying to find a nice collector's beard. I don't know if he ever plans on selling that, whereas fawnzee has her tyrolean up on the market on its own.

Again though, it was a quicksale which is not considered valid evidence, so there are no valid sales for this item.

It must be noted that I asked the guy who offered that set to add about 2 though...

Buyer immediately relisted it for a silly amount, and there are no others on the market. This seems really high, but given the votes I don't have any good reason to reject it

I'm sorry if this sounds rude at all; I don't mean it to be, but the price I sold it for was a quicksale. I've said this all before, but I'll say it again to reiterate: I was on teamspeak with Fawnzee, when I saw that a ghosts beak was being quicksold for 6. I immediately thought of ways to get pure, and decided that the best way would be to sell the tyrolean at a discounted price. The discount was so good, that Fawnzee immediately accepted my offer. This constitutes a quicksale, which makes this evidence invalid.

So yes, I was selling it at 6 for however long, but that's because collector's cosmetics are a niche market. The fact that it sold as soon as it was lowered to this price proves that it deserves to be higher. It's the best medic hat in the game after all.

Yes, I did read all your previous comments. But even taking "niche market" sell times into account, the fact that it received no notable offers in pure until you lowered the price shows that 6 was way too high. That medic set offer would be ~6 in items (best case scenario), so maybe 5-5.4 after overpay.

That lines up with this "QS" of yours.

I declined the medic set though. We didn't trade because he was unwilling to add 2 buds to it.

Adding 2 buds would have exceeded your BO by a bud, doesn't really support your QS claim one way or the other

Going to take the same approach with this as we do with unusuals. If it didn't go to a collector, you have to wait at least a month to see if it resells, especially given the questions raised here. If in 2 weeks this still hasn't sold and if there still isn't a single offer on it, then pricing off the one sale (so that the sale is doesn't get outdated) would be fine.