Suggestion: Non-Tradable Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head at 1.75 keys

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probably my biggest halloween suggestion yet (*・∀・*)人(*・∀・*)

OH THOSE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY COULD GET 10 KEYS FOR THEM!

but i was somehow able to find a sold.

Sold for a Bread Box [2.75 Keys]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21871927

Subtract the price of Gift Wrap [1 key], and you get 1.75.

Im not sure if im suppose to subtract the price off gift wrap, or exclude the gift wrap and resuggest at 2.75. Any confirmation for that will help.

(・ｪ-) thanks.

To be fair, Why would people want this, You might have gotten lucky and found "A" sold. Cuz if people want these they can just do the achievment

Someone might like to collect them maybe?

Downvote due to both insufficient proof (only one trade), and just how ridiculous of a suggestion this is.

There are many suggestions that has one piece of proof and successfully pass, like this one for example: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53dc36c84dd7b85d3e8b4568

And the the fact that there are many people on outpost who misunderstands the price of this hat and they believe its worth the price of the tradable version is something that should be fixed. With only 1 sold, I can probably fix that all up, and if it does get accepted, the price can be refined in the future.

10 is the tradeable one..

That is the Tradable version, wich is more rare.

Edit; Why downvotes? I'm talking to the guy "B>Flip Knife".

The title

"Non-Tradable Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head"

Uhm.. You don't know what i mean. That guy "B>Flip Knife" showed a link wich was for the Tradable version. But we are in a suggestion for the Non-tradable one.

So why is the price being suggested for the untradable one? (Not trying to be a douche, just a rhetorical question)

I was replying to B>Flip Knife, that showed a link of the tradable one, wich is wrong. [This was the link he posted : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18925795]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18925795 got offered 9 keys

Those are clean and tradeable, THIS is a suggestion for non tradeable

I can just see this being priced and all those f2p's asking for 5 buds.

Director's Vision 2: Electric Boogaloo

Err..... does this really need a price?

None really wants it...

Not a valid reason to not price it.

I guess you are right.... every item should have a price, but this item it kinda easy to obtain

Anything thats wrappable and marketable should have a price. Including this.

Maybe, But maybe more proof would be nice.

Its extremly difficult to price items like these. If you look at outpost, most are either asking for the tradable version price, or want offers. In addition, there are 2 pages of unbumped pumkins, which doesnt count as valid proof. I was lucky enough to obtain a sold.

Sometimes, 1 sold is good enough.

If there's almost no proof is because it's an item that no one want, if it had a price should be ~~1 scrap

Then why doesnt the proof of purchase have a price?

Because for some odd reason the Proof of Purchase can't be searched on outpost.

Proof of Purchase can't be gift wrapped

It having a price might protect the odd person wanting it from getting scammed :) e.g. scammers claiming the untradable version is just as valuable as the tradable one, shit like that. Tbh I had no idea people even paid for this, I would've assumed it's worth a reclaimed or something..

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21794724

7 ref...

Unbumped, doesnt count as valid proof.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21888513

Trade me, i'm selling mine for 1 scrap.

Trade is still fairly new, you need to wait to either sell it, or wait a couple of days to be considered an unsold.

Please note that mine trade is now 1 Day unsold, and as you know, i'm basically selling it for free. I suggest you to close this.

You were offered 1.75 keys though.

What? What do you Mean? The only thing i got offered is just a joke. Remember, in looking for 1 scrap, not 1.75 keys

It doesnt work like that.

I was a man of my word, I would gladly pay 1.75 keys for it to support my suggestion more. You hid my offer of 1.75 keys, but even though you hid it, you offically got an offer that supports my price suggestion for this hat even more which counts as valid proof. Your only option now is to sell it for what your trying to sell it for.

Still, i don't think that is a serious offer. Anyways, Good luck with your suggestion.

It is, if your ever interested, you know where I am.

I'm pretty sure this would qualify as price manipulation if you bought that from him for your suggested price. ( For that particular trade )

Plenty of people use their own purchases as proof for suggestions. Even for things like this (namely unusual suggestions) where there are very, very few solds.

If someone is willing to buy something for a high price, that isn't price manipulation

Now it's bumped, I think this count as a valid proof. Range incoming?

You can't just put a 7 ref seller in the range.

It's like pricing another unpriced item and the only proof you have is someone selling it for the price your trying to suggest for that particular item, or even trying to suggest a range and all you have are 2 sellers, one supporting each range. Both of which, isn't allowed. Sales always beat sellers.

lol, like everyone has one of these, why would someone want it?

It's not that, it's the fact that people are incorrectly pricing this. Since only 1 person has actually sold one for a Bread Box, that's the only price we can conclude.

Either way, maybe a rich guy wants his old hat he deleted forever ago back.

lol that was my trade

btw it was an untradeable with gift wrap

1 sale isn't enough to cover all the one in the market. I'm pretty sure there are plenty others asking for less (see link that someone posted, about someone wanting 7ref)

Ive done it many times. Its extremly difficult to price items like these. If you look at outpost, most are either asking for the tradable version price, or want offers. In addition, there are 2 pages of unbumped pumkins, which doesnt count as valid proof. I was lucky enough to obtain a sold.

Sometimes, 1 sold is good enough.

And like I said, the 7 ref is invalid, considering its inactive.

It was an untradeable one and i did give it for the bread box

This is a suggetion for the nontradable version, you sold a nontradable version for a bread box, and im trying to make a suggestion of this based off your sold.

And thanks for the further confirmation that you did.

I've seen some sellers for free, you only need to supply wrap.

Even though it has extremely low demand, I believe from what I have seen that the price should be lower than this.

Mind providing a couple links to back that up?

I am selling mine for about this :3

Upvote

You just made that trade. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21926773

and?

Have you got a problem with that?

10 Keys + is for the tradable with names then you have the clean ones that can be traded. You should do your homework before posting.

Counter-proofs

sellers for less

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21794724 7 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21869783 selling multiple for 1 key only including the horsemann's head

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21819900 the horsemann's head and 2 weapons and a crate for a key

i'll try to get more proofs

Last two links are poorly/unbumped trades, therefore counting as invalid, and the 7 ref link was already posted by "meh", found above, also stated to be invalid for the same reason

sadly most of the the sellers are asking for offers or selling a tradable one

that's exactly why this price suggestion exists right now

In this item, whit less than 2 pages on outpost... Really exists the unbumped trades? Say "the trade is unbumped" with a item uncommon like this isn't valid. Downvote, obviously, if this really need to be priced, needs to be priced with a range.

This price is good. I voted yes.

This is an untradeable achievement item. Most of these items are literally worthless, which is why bp.tf doesn't currently have any prices for them. A single piece of evidence for a non-pure exchange doesn't validate giving it a price. Additionally if the item gets priced it will basically become a scam trap to any beginner player, with the beginner's logic that this is an amazing item and must be worth a lot while in reality it isn't. Finally, people don't want to deal with the hundreds of F2P players trying to sell their untradeable pumpkin head they just earned off on trade servers.

Please keep reality in mind when considering pricing items. ;D

”A single piece of evidence for a non-pure exchange doesn't validate giving it a price.”

- There are many suggestions that has one piece of proof and successfully pass, like this one for example: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53dc36c84dd7b85d3e8b4568

and solds doesnt always have to be in pure, as long as the item the person got from the transaction is priced.

”with the beginner's logic that this is an amazing item and must be worth a lot while in reality it isn't”

-This statement is totally skeptical. Of course an item like this shouldnt be worth alot, but somehow I was able to find a sold, and it is what it is. Unless you can give me proof that a ”beginner” would try to sell an uncommon item for a ridiculous price and call it rare, I dont believe you.

”people don't want to deal with the hundreds of F2P players trying to sell their untradeable pumpkin head”

-This statement is very stereotypical towards the people who play the game for free, you believe that they are less intelligent than the people who actually paid for the game. In addition, if inexperienced traders where to massively sell these on outpost, do you realize that the price can be refined if this is actually accepted?

You forgot something about non-premium tf2 accounts, any items that were found/crafted by a f2p in-game, won't show up in the steam trading inventory, "crafted" also entails wrapping gifts , therefor impossible to trade anyway, so the average f2p would have no way of selling one, unless they bought one, prewrapped, from a premium user, which wouldn't happen to begin with

why would there be a price for a non tradable one :p

I wouldn't be surprised if this price went down day by day like Rancho Relaxo because this isn't really worth buying 0-0

Although we need a price anyways, I'll change to an upvote.

you have balls of balls

Seeing as how many people dont were this anymore, even on full moons I dont see it, it could just possibly mean people grew up and deleted theirs, like me.

But when it comes to pricing this kind of stuff ehhh, you cant expect many people looking to sell for two reasons. The first reason, which Ive stated, for people not liking it anymore. The second reason is for it being an achievement item. But the thing is, the quantity comes OVER quality in this situation. Its easily overlooked for it only being an achievement item. Not only this, people only seem to look for the tradable item and not the achievement one.

Throwing my two cents. Everything ahould start off at a price. Tradable or not.

Seems stupid, only 1 piece of proof, achievement item which EVERYONE could get from going onto a halloween server, yeah, I can understand the headtaker's price, but not an achievement item like this, downvoted.

go find a sale.

Exactly, going to be hard to find a sale as everyone has one and its kinda pointless to do so XD

Exactly. Just because of that one sell he caused the market to sell them at this price and create a suggestion to make it a higher price. To be honest, it mightve been a scam that actually worked, but who fucking knows.

down vote they are the collectors one i mean those trade able glitch one the are very rare and you can sell them for 10 keys easyly

we can get this for achievement, why we should buy this?

Nobody's asking you to buy it, this is a price suggestion.

I am in support of wrecking a few peoples backpack values.

No, there is not enough proof IMO.

Downboat

There are many suggestions that has one piece of proof and successfully pass, like this one for example: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53dc36c84dd7b85d3e8b4568

But the issue is this is not a rare item as the item is in that link? 1.3 million exist

When did I say its a rare item? Its just that these hats don't circulate in the market as often as other items do.

You didn't, I'm not implying that you are, I was referring to the item you just linked that was accepted on 1 piece of evidence.

I wonder why this suggestion hasn't been denied yet xD

Because there's valid proof, and not a troll suggestion.

good proof, now all we need is a price suggestion for the ghastly gibus...

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unique/Ghastlierest%20Gibus/Tradable/Craftable

Oops, I mean't the ghostly gibus.

why is it even 10 keys in the first place

The rare tradable version

I'll bring up my concern here (that I've had since this suggestion first came up). Do you have any actual confirmation that that was the successful selling price? That's rather necessary here; the last owner (Mad) had given or traded your seller (Orange) both of these items plus MANY other Bread Boxes. http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2851407707,5043,6 http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,2832647019,5741,6 http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/464943 The new owner of the HHHH is Tsunami ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/140311 ) so finding a Bread Box from him would be sufficient. However, I've looked through all of those ones in Orange's backpack and not found any. Please show it if you find one that is from Tsunami.

It's pretty important to be certain that your suggested value was indeed the selling price because it's only one sale and also, as others have brought up, there are cheaper ones (even with the buyers including the Gift Wrap). Best of all would be if Orange could be convinced to confirm what he sold it for.

i sold it for a bread box :-)

Thaaat's what I was after. Thanks! :)

This is easy. There are pages upon pages of these that have been up for hours, days, weeks. All they get is trolling, harassment, and not serious offers. It makes sense because this is a joke item.

Then, one person sells it for a ridiculous amount, and the only reason why that is the only verifiable sale is because the item is practically worthless. All the other offers are of a couple scrap at most.

You either have:

1. Price manipulation.

2. Sharking.

3. An inexperienced trader who either didn't know that the bread box was valuable or that this wasn't.

Something worthless that everyone has doesn't just become valuable overnight because 1 person made a bizarre trade.