Suggestion: Genuine Killer Exclusive at 4.33–4.66 ref

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~34.44 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 19 Aug 14 13:13:19 +0000 by Puddilicious.

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21772156 - have been offered 3 ref + craft hat, he rejected that offer. Also got offer - last breath (4.66) - rejected.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21635438 - sold KE for 4.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21852799 - sold KE for 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21842905 sold KE very fast for bp price

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075834 - wanted 4 ref, sold it very fast

buying KE for a bp price http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22024053

Buying for 4.33 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21495234

Buying KE for 4.33 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18426952

Buying KE for 4.33 (buys a lot) http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19587262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22056952 - buys for item offer - trash toter+track terrorizer (4.66)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21749888 buys for 4.33

Got offer 4.33 on KE - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20400103

Sold KE , just forgot to remove it from trade - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22007370 , but for what?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080188 - quicksold for 4.33 without a bump

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483107407 - sold for 4.66

proof is very limited but it reflects the current market given how so many are painted and there's several quickbuyers at 4.33

upvote

found 3 solds at 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22056758

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22060933

yeah, all are quicksales as well - gone within a bump at most

but in trade.tf there were no solds at 4.66...

http://www.trade.tf/listings/search/Sell/Genuine/Killer%20Exclusive/None/All/1

I found http://www.trade.tf/trade/483107407 via trade.tf

there are more solds at 4.33 then 4.66 though.. i dont see why this should change if 1 was sold and their are multiple on outpost not painted.

2 have sold for 4.66, 2 have declined 4.66 offers, one has sold for 4.44. Then there's 4 quicksales at 4.33

NOBODY asking for 4.33 or less (save for that one 4 ref seller who is far more dead than marilyn monroe's disintegraded corpse.).

There's a buyer for 4.66 (in items) and 4+ quickbuyers in pure at 4.33 who aren't quite exactly successful.

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Genuine%20Killer%20Exclusive

suggests 5 ref not incluiding taxes (if taxes were taken into account then it'd be ~6 ref)

I don't see a reason for this not to go up

again, you can apply quickbuyers to prices...... you also cant apply the steam community market to prices, because then keys should be worth ~2.40$ before taxes, and ~2.20$ after taxes..

unsuccessful quickbuyers at current prices indicate an item is worth more than that, SCM can be applied to pretty much any item as supporting proof, keys being the only exception. for instance, see j-j-jon's old botkiller weapon suggestions - they were all mostly based on SCM yet still accepted.

then why is every time someone uses the SCM as proof they get rejected? why was this rejected? http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53f10b154fd7b89f288b49d6 also, prices could be manipulated so much if that could be used as proof for a price suggestion, also please explain this: http://i.gyazo.com/35a39e47ccbc8cfc5952d40c4bf8e677.png why are bills hats only considered $10.86 when theyre worth 6 keys and a key is worth ~2.40 on the SCM, and a key is only $1.81 on the SCM, also if a bud is 19 keys, why do they value it at $34.38 when ~2.4 x 19 = $45.60?

also, backpack.tf says themselves that SCM is not valid evidence: http://i.gyazo.com/7457530cb558a7d3432c9fe77325fc81.png

full pricing guide states that "SCM can be used as supporting proof but can't be relied on" - as I said, currency itself is an exemption from this - everything else revolves around what the market values currency at. for instance, if an item sells for, let's say, $1.50, it would be valued at $1.50/$2.40 keys since keys sell at 2.40 on the market (incluiding fees, as both sides include fees), the actual paypal value is never used.

it says exactly "The Steam Community Market is great for buying items convieniently. However, the 15% fee on each sale means that item prices on the SCM are almost always inflated to compensate. Therefore, please do not use SCM prices as evidence." it does not say at all that it can be used for support of your suggestion.

Edit: incase you don't believe me, the rules are right here: http://backpack.tf/help/suggestions

I was talking about http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/7285-how-to-properly-use-scm-sales-as-proof/

Your protecting this suggestion based on its SCM sales.. The rules, backpack.tf's rules ask you not to use SCM as evidence.. i don't understand how you could possibly get away with suggesting something based off of SCM sales if it says it right in their OWN rules not to.

I'm using it to support it, it's not my only argument for. on the other hand, your only support is "the amount of 4.33 solds which largely exceed any above" which is invalid anyway given that they're all quicksales

if its selling at 4.33 perfectly fine, and only has 2 sales at 4.66 why should it change? its obviously selling alot for 4.33. The rules also say that you can't use quickbuy trades...

8 out of the 13 links there are quickbuying trades.

quickbuying trades are not valid proof when lowering prices - though a mass amount of buyers at a certain price point might indicate that it could in fact be a quicksale price.

dude, I have like 1.2k more accepted suggestions than you, don't you think I'd know how to do stuff at this point?

it always leads to that dosnt it.. obviously youre not going to give up even though it makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

abiding by rules without taking common sense into account is, basically, lacking knowledge of the rationale thereof

...okay that doesn't make any sense

mmm but, being that i have respect for you, I'll stop arguing about a .17 refined price change.

Ned moar prof

You know you can edit your comments instead of spamming right?

Ok, we understand that 4.33 is practically a quicksell. Now show us that 4.66 belongs in the range. 1 rejected offer and 1 sale at 4.66 isn't going to be enough.

There are only like 5 unpainted on Outpost, making it very difficult to find blank ones to price with. I'm actually on the fence.

wow... this is what i found all unpainted

Page 1 of outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21139103 - wants 2.5 keys???

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21164409 - dosnt have a price, but probably wants more cause his trade is about halloween spells.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21007829 - same as this guy ^^

Page 2 of outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22028673 - only wants csgo stuff

Page 3 of outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22062323 - wants 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20400103 - only wants csgo stuff

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075834 - wants 4 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22064950 - has a bunch of crap on both sides, and no notes :/

Page 4 on outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22055699 - no price..

Page 5 on outpost

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21372594 - wants games..

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21772156 - no prices

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Here are solds at 4.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22056758

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22060933

About your unsolds. You gave 2 same links of 1 unsold

oh, my bad.

fixed :)

That duplicate and the other one was actually sold, for 4.33 so i put that in the wrong spot.

One more buyer for 4.33 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21262421

you cant use buyer for price suggestions, thats why i went and found what i did..

it could suggest it's a quicksell

so.. because someone quickbuys them, that means i can go destroy the price of an uncraftable apsap and brotherhood of arms, and dashin hashshashins, etc because i quickbuy them? because ive bought quite abit of them for the amount of time the trade has been active.

I think i understand you. But let's back to the point that there's not only one quickbuyer for 4.33. There's 6 more.

quickbuyers dont mean anything... you cant change a price because of quickbuyers. because if you are going to apply that to bmocs, bills, keys, buds, voodoo juju's, vintage lugermorphs, they would all be worth nothing.

you do realize, that you JUST proved me right, and pyroman wrong and pyroman wrong? and thats your backpack which has nothing to do with this suggestion...

you do realise why 4.33 is still in the range right? because 4.33 and 4.66 are both possible

so, the price is going up because 2 people sold it for 4.66? please explain to me why that makes sense.

Solds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21842905 - quicksold for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080188 - quicksold for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075973 - quicksold for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22056758 - quicksold for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22060933 - quicksold for 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21852799 - 4.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21635438 - 4.66

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483107407 - 4.66

Quickbuyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22024053 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21495234 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18426952 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19587262 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21749888 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21262421 - 4.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22056952 - 4.66 in items

Offers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20400103 - 4.33 (rejected)

4.33 is an obvious quicksell price, 4.33 flat is in-accurate

~~thank you, i honestly think this suggestion should be closed and reopened with those solds.~~

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21852799 - not sold, still in BP

but, you still cant use buyers to price something.

Actually, im sorry, you still only have 2 sales at 4.66 just like i said before.

yes you can use buyers to price something if you are raising the value, also, 2 sales and 1 buyer is enough for the high end as there are barely any on outpost that are unpainted

look at this, then read your comment with the links, and tell me that you can still use them. says specifically that quickbuy trades can not be use in suggestions. http://i.gyazo.com/7457530cb558a7d3432c9fe77325fc81.png

that is for lowering prices, if there are people willing to buy several for the current price, that obviously means that current price is a quicksell price and should be worth more because quickbuyers buy to re-sell

I dont understand why you removed the comment that proved me right... i still have the link, so im gonna put it back up.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19587262

http://i.gyazo.com/b7b206ec5a87c53b9bdb8178d0b67952.png <- so if he changes what his post says ;)

Who said that they are quickbuyers? They are buying it for bp price...

im not saying theyre quickbuyers... you are, you said "quickbuy" and pyroman keeps referring to them as "quicksells"

heheh nice its actually quite rare