Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 7.22–7.33 ref

Since 2 days ago I can't buy any Key, nobody quicksells it for 7 Refs, and 1 or 2 users added me for buy Key for 7.33. I was worried, but now, seeing your proof, I'm calm, clearly I just got bad luck, and 7.22 should be included in range.

shit is outta bp.tf control again B]

upvoted

Interesting how there aren't any warned comments or flame wars when keys are dropping.

You trying to start a flame war? :D

PYRO'S ARE TOO OP THE TF ZEUS SHOULD NURF THE AX

(but in all seriousness,good proof, upboat)

So many UpBoats

I miss long?

I love lamp? Good proof upvote.

More evidence: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22139073

INSTANTLY SOLD at 7.33 refined.

srsly spell out Seriously correctly and stop complaining

Why does he have to spell out seriously correctly? You understand it right?

Would you put l33tspeak in an actual resume to get a job in real life? If not, show some decency and respect the language. So far, to this date, I don't think anyone who has put srsly into their resume has actually obtained a job

Sold many for 7.11 upboat

I think your suggesting range is no longer valid, since most of your proofs are no longer valid.

You should gather more valid unsold @7.44 refined, in order to exclude it from range

Unsolds at 7.44

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236876 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22033491 -> re-seller cannot really count as valid proof

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21757995 -> long standing trade, with buyers@7.44 refined 6 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19840790 -> re-seller. trade is 1 month old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946006 -> most of the keys are sold, 1 left

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> reseller, 2 weeks old

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21996401 -> has successfully sold 22 keys according the trade note

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21768494 -> reseller, 2 weeks old. Now buying @7.22 selling @7.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483 -> reseller, 1 week old. Now buying @7.33 selling@7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091031 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956 -> sold all today

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107799 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 -> valid

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22013285 -> reseller, buying@7.11 selling@7.44. Note indicating all keys are sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112752 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21957497 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112613 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018 -> valid

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088785 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102494 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102445 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710 -> has 1 key and is sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103337 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22011022 -> sold at 7.33 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> reseller, no longer selling, buying @6.33 refined each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331 -> all 4 keys are sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277 -> according to his bp, 7 keys are sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026 -> valid, several keys are sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045 -> there are some buyers in comment section

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21720259 -> reseller, currently not buying and not selling

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094778 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458 -> reseller, 2 weeks old, currently buying @ 7.22 selling @ 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> repeat link and resller

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084890 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093510 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 -> 2 months old, note states 15 keys in stock, buy only 7 keys remain

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21978876 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090244 -> sold

http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500 sold

http://bazaar.tf/trade/972702 sold

Do you realise that many of them take many days to sell it for 7.44, which indicates that 7.44 is hard to sell and should be removed?

First your suggestion started 5 days ago, many of these links by nature are no longer valid.

secondly, from your links, many of them are sold within 1 day, i can try listing some if i want to.

third, many of your links are re-seller, some even dated back to 1 month ago.

By number your proof looks great, but quality remains questionable.

Check through those unsolds again.

Valid

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22013285

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166

http://bazaar.tf/trade/972702

Took a lot of time to sell

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236876

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22033491 - Last interest: 2 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21757995 - Last interest: 9 hours ago and 6 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946006 - Took 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 - Took 2 weeks

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21996401 - Last interest: 4 days ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091031 - Took 1 day to sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956 - Took 5 days to sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21957497 - Took 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112613 - Took 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088785 - Took 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102445 - Took 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103337 - Took 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094778 - Took 2 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084890 - Took 1 day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21978876 - Took 1 week

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090244 - Took 2 days

Other reasons

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19840790 - He cashed out

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21768494 - Changed his price to 7.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107799 - Changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122706 - Changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112752 - Changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22011022 - Changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21720259 - No longer buying/selling

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458 - Just a bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093510 - Used those keys to buy games

Still unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022

http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500

All I can see is 7.44 take a lot of time to sell. And to keys, sold in 1 day = slow.

And if those resellers have a lot of in stock, they can be used as support-proof for a drop.

i interpret as that buyers willing to buy @7.44 refined start to appear from yesterday. In addition since they are sold, they can no longer to be accounted as unsold, unless you would like to provide more refresh proofs.

And also from your unsold:

Still unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 -> okay

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483 -> reseller, he has higher stock because he is buying at 7.33 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018 -> okay

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710 -> has no key anymore

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331 -> keys you see are already sold. all keys in his bp are new

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026 -> sold several if you check the history

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277 -> sold several as well

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 -> sold 8, 2 months old trade

http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500 -> sold check his bp

People can use keys as currency so your "Sold several according to history" excuse can be invalid.

And

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 - Sold 8 in 1 month? I call it "Unsold"

Now, you can play with my new unsolds below.

if you look at his trade, he is changing in 2 month time. You can't really use long term trade like this for your unsold proof.

well, since now you already find some people who are able to sell @7.44 refined in 1,2 hours; i think this argument should end here :)

Compare to the large amount of sales at 7.33 and lower, this argument will continue.

given your new Unsolds at 7.44

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238293 -> not checking, sorry i dislike tf2tp

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133897 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132957 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132383 -> close his trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128727 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128516 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128656 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125866 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123040 -> reseller. claimed 16 sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130383 -> fresh reseller who has only 2 keys and 45 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129444 -> doesn't have key anymore

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130741 -> sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124908 -> sold

For now, i don't think you can exclude 7.44 refined.

They still took many hours to sell, which still can be considered as "Hard to sell" and ready to be removed.

A key which took like 4 hours to be sold can be considered as "Unsolds" as keys can be sold at any price

lol "hours to sell" means it should be excluded. Yes these are keys but hours is still quite fast. If you were talking days you might have a point.

If something are in high demand like keys takes hours to be sold, that price can be considered as "Hard to sell" and ready to be removed out of the range.

It clearly shouldn't take anyone more than 2 seconds to get 7.33. there are plenty of bots paying that with plenty of metal. along with enough real people if you have some perverted aversion to selling to bots.

Edit: Btw i sold multiple keys for 7.33 to the bots mentioned in between these comments.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514bc9a1ba25361a20000004

Like this. Scrap.tf has been used as proof there and got rejected.

As cleverpun said: "I never consider scrap.tf valid evidence for any price change--their business model is based on convenience." Same thing will be applied to your case.

A bot is a bot.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085686[/url] - This 4.77 seller has so many views... Most of them were probably people from here checking if it was legit xD

Good proof. I only don't know why someone would sell a key for 4.77 xD

They are heroes.

Nice proof... upboat

"Good proof. I only don't know why someone would sell a key for 4.77"

People who do this kind of trades deserves a special place in my heart. I'm going to say that I still see unsolds at 7.55-7.88 too on Outpost. Keys are really dropping now, no rises since it dropped from 8 ref~ . Upvote

I bought 3 at 7,33 and 1 at 7,22 today. http://i.imgur.com/XBvGPQP.png

Seems like they could use a drop.

Awesome proof, keep up the good work :D! upvote

I wonder what price keys will stay at, upvote

Did the price of keys in USD changed in last months?

I mean the community price, which was about $1.9 when 1 key was 8.55 ref, but ref's usd value is the same as 3 months ago.

Ah, then I am not 100% sure about it, but I don't think so.

The price of the keys still is around $1,9. It haven't changed.

I hope everyone who said "Keys arent rising, Ref is dropping" realizes how stupid that argument was now. It was funny how stubbornly they all stuck to that, despite the fact that Ref was clearly not the base currency for paypal trading.

Anyway, I bought some keys for 7.33 yesterday on a server, I got them pretty fast. It did seem like 7.33 was the price all the buyers were asking though, but it was a small sample size compared to all of OP.

...Except that the price of keys over paypal is still the same as it was 1.22 ref ago. So yeah. Ref was dropping and now it's rising. Keys are the same price as they were before. Whether or not ref is the "base currency" is irrelevant. Its value relative to dollars isn't.

I do not think you understood my post. In the slightest.

You claimed that the argument was stupid... but it's true. I understand your argument just fine; you don't understand basic economics.

No, you see, you just confirmed that you have absolutely no clue what I meant). It technically was dropping, yes, but do you really think anyone couldn't see that? Do you even remember the argument for "Ref is dropping" (Did you read my original comment? It seems less and less likely.)?

It went like this, they said that Keys were stable, but Ref was forcing the Key<->Ref price up because no one wanted Ref, and cited the paypal price as proof. They (and you apparently) were wrong right from the start. Why would the key<->ref price changed based on paypal if a small fraction of traders use it? Keys rising forced Ref down for paypal traders, and now it's in reverse. I think you assumed wrongly that I was basing my argument on paypal, which would be stupid because far fewer people use it than people who just trade items.

If you still don;t understand, I really can't help you.

No one, including you, has any idea what you're talking about :P

tl;dr - Why are we basing "rising" and "falling" on paypal prices if hardly anyone uses it compared to item trading.

I agree with you.

One additional point, if ref was really dropping as some suggested, then every item valued in ref should have gone up, not just keys. However only keys kept rising, which was really the keys were rising on their own, not due to the ref dropping.

Wrong. other items like tods and paints rose in refined right along with keys. The natural trend for most items over time is to drop as they become older, less novel, and more numerous. This can give someone a false impression.

i just sold 6 at 7.11

upvoted because lower

I Have no idea how long it goes down but im guessing around 7-6 ref. Since i've realised keys are going down i've prepared for it.

This is the TF2 community, it'll go down to 3 ref as it went up to 8. :P

excellent proof upvote

downvote for the moment.

7.22-7.33 was the right price for 2 days ago or even yesterday but keys have risen again today.

It's "for the moment" since I have no idea if that raise will continue or not.

There is still proof that traders considered 7.22 as a fair price for their key.

Right now keys at 7.33 are bought immediately.

In the last hour, keys put on the market and sold at 7.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123739

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123736

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123509

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123823

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123856

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123964

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123358

There are also quite a few bots buying keys at 7.33 with a lot of metal available.

I don't think 7.22 should be in the range when keys are sold at 7.33 that easily.

Cmon man, sure 7.33 goes fast but this suggestion shows that there are also many solds at 7.22. And only your down vote wouldnt affect the suggestion

"And only your down vote wouldnt affect the suggestion"

500 votes - 1 vote = 499 votes

Affected.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123739[/url] (Still has the key)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634[/url] (Has sold a few but still has more than half left)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123856[/url] (The same guy at the third link and still has the keys)

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123964[/url] (Still has both keys)

Most of the trades were closed and completed through people who had lots of metal and brought all the keys the user had. Some still have the keys as shown and although the trades are closed does not mean they sold them. I still see 7.33 is still possible and that's why is in the range. The point is this suggestion shows how 7.22 its possible and 7.44 barely sells. And believe it or not this suggestion its most likely gonna be accepted with this amount of proof and how good standing it is.

Love the proof upvote !

That's a ton of good evidence you have there.

Upboat.

I have been buying for 7.00-7.22 and selling for 7.33. Haven't been able to sell a key for 7.44 after 3 days and I have given up. Selling for 7.44 is nearly impossible and even 7.33 doesn't sell as fast as it did 3 days ago http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21831232 Hey look it's me on the mighty wall of proof :0 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22092851

Dat price manipulation doe. :D jokes.

Enough proof for me. Take my upvote.

Duh, upvote.

By now, this is free rep. upgoat

Some more proof from my recent trades: http://gyazo.com/dceb518e517684c5add4e457567836b7

7.22 buys and 7.33 sells

And that my freind is how you crash an economy :)

some of the links of unsold at 7.44 is sold actually :(

That's because people find them through this post and go buy them :P

Woah, People are purposely trying to make it harder for people do lower prices for keys.

I used to have bought keys at 7.33, but I closed it.

Before I closed it, I got 10 keys from that total.

Upvote.

And this was when keys were still at 7.66-7.77

Do you have any proof/links to back that claim, sir?

solid proof. upvote

i upvoted because you have proof, but one thing i must say, all these people selling lower than current bp.tf price is because they want to get rid of their keys before they drop again, lower and lower, people assume that in the future with the metal they get now, by selling their keys cheaper , they will be able to receive 2 keys... anyways, good proof. R.I.P keys.

4 bought for 7.33 instantly:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131529

Very good, wish I could of got to that 5 ref sale first!

More proof.

Unsolds at 7.44

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238293

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133897

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133182 - Now selling for 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132957

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128727

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128516

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128656

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125866

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123040

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129444

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124908

Sold for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130400

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121888

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128287

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128162

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129108

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483910074

http://bazaar.tf/trade/975118

Selling/ Sold for 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134954

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134724

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122706

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132975

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122857

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122888

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121843

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134093

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130566

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130115

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22126539

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130932

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129994

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124487

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134026

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131784

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133543

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131630

http://bazaar.tf/trade/975409

Selling/ Sold for 7.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134353

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133506

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128326

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125391

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122290

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123604

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130835

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128423

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132012

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483810592

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483786801

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483798582

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483908455

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483897703

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483905255

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483792132

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483787075

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483888221

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483893892

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483792808

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483909894

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483909610

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483791217

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483800474

Selling/ Sold for 7.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133980

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133015

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130458

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483903921

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483801541

Selling/ Sold for 7.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134904

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134409

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130591

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123419

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121415

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22126424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122051

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123922

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22120738

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129333

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123492

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130852

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483788192

Selling/ Sold for 6.66

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238036

Selling/ Sold for 4.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131902

This should be fine.

Sorry mate, 7.22 is a quicksell

Proofs OMG <3

nice proof, but i guess proof of 7.22 is not really correct. mostly 7.22 one gets sold instantly and yes and some of them is stating as qs. i guess just 7.33 will be better price

7.22 happen too much so even they went fast, they still have to be in the range.

Some more sellers to compliment Mr. Giang's proof (I'm new to these kind of things so I don't know how to tell solds from unsolds, however I will state which one I'm sure is unsold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21931100 7.33 unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21920696 7.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22137827 7.44 unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128057 7.88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21813816 7.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425 7.66 unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22072136 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22136549 7.88

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22026898 7.55 unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22048107 7.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20658285 7.33 sold

I didn't have much time and as I said I'm new to proof posting, so forgive me for any mistakes and if some of these trades are already posted. My conclusion is similar to Mr. Giang's conclusion: Anything above 7.44 has a remote chance of selling. 7.44-7.33 still sells, but 7.33-7.22 dominates.

Bless those sellers under 5 ref.

I don't see the point in putting 7.22 in the range as everything under 7.33 is qs or shittily bumped.

I clicked on two of the '7.33' links which were actually 7.44.

Someone with more time than I please go through the proof?

Read few comments above, you will get your answer.

"7.22 happen too much so even they went fast, they still have to be in the range."

They happen way too much. 7.22 - 7.33 ref is the most common trading point.

english?

Go through the proof again

"Someone with more time than I please go through the proof?" Honestly if you disagree with some proof and you expect someone to go through the rest for you your just lazy :P

Upvoted because you used bazaar.tf ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

But srsly, good proof!

Not enough proof,downvote

Just kidding,upvote

upvote for me

this is the most proof ive ever seen in my life

and ofcorse almost everyone is going to upboat

Keys = Rekt

upboat on that massive pile of proof, been trading at this price range for awhile now.

I leave for a couple of weeks and come back to this... Not quite sure how I feel about it, but the proof is there so you have my vote

great proof up vote.

Lol I upboated and it said too many positive upboats

why cant i upvote D: its only letting me choose down vote (which i wont)

too many positive upboats

It won't let us upboat? dats evil ;-;

so much proof though. bloody hell...

so much proof... bloody hell... upvote dis bitch...

This vote has recieved too many upvotes....

Is that even possible?

its over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scrap.tf is buying at 7.22 and is still completely out of keys.

0 for 7.22 on classifieds and 7.33 vanish very quickly.

7.22 seems too low.

Oh man someone who opened their eyes.

Thank you kind sir for not blindly voting.

When this suggestion first came up, there were plenty availability at 7.22 but seems like there isn't anymore. There is hardly any at 7.22 ref anymore. Tf2 finance and trade.tf are also showing 7.33 ref.

7.33 flat would be better here.

You should do that suggestion...

If this suggestion fail, the Keys will go up to 9 Refs so fast hahahaha.

Who ever is selling keys for 5 ref, I will find you and I will trade you

Evidence for solds at 7,33, sold really fast (didn't even put them on outpost)

http://i.imgur.com/MK1bzQi.png - sold 6 keys

Looks good to me, upvote.

nicely done.

Good Proof but i can't upvote :o

#wallofproof

#keysaredroppingyay

#excellentproofupboat

the value has droped so much used to be 8.33 some days ago now 7.33 :(.... good proof tho so upboat :)

http://shopbot.tf/sell/

Currently can buy over 100 keys @7.33 each. Why anybody is willing to take less I don't know.

Wait this is a thing

Since when

Link doesn't work, but is this what you meant?

http://www.shopbot.tf/

Totally upvote, part for the good proof but most of it because, hey... It's keys goin' down, I'll upvote it up the ass...

Good proof, Upvote :D

btw who dafuq wud sell a key for 4.77 lmao

Downvote. Oh wait.... Its upvote to approve? Upvote very good proof!

Most of them sold already so down vote

hah, now everyone will be complaining that keys keep dropping, the exact opposite of what was happening a little while ago XD

expect a new breed of complainers coming, they will signal their arrival with "i remember when keys were 8 refined"

i just hope keys will balance out before they hit ~3-4 refined

gud proof, probably not hard to find i am guessing

I remember when keys were 3 refined, Just kidding.

@OP: Good job with proof!

6 Refined would be a nice place to settle at, but that isn't likely to happen.

yeah, my hope is that keys will settle around 3-6 refined and not continue to completely crash until everything is worth ~10 cents each

lowering the key prices by ~5 ref is a healthy change in the economy, it gives a chance for players to take advantage of the negative key demand and not completely lose all value

UpVote

The Proof Is Outstanding :3

noob question, this suggestion has been up for a day, how long till its tallied and accepted/rejected?

cool down is stupid, if they want a delay between suggestions they simply can be accepted later therefore throughout the cooldown period, more evidence can be added

I Sold couple of keys for 7.44 ref in couple hours but still you have my up-vote , really good job with all proofs .

The key market is quite strange now.

Those are all sales I found in last 12 hours.

Unsolds at 7.44

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238817

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152640

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152235 - Closed

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22141977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151213

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148830

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22147759

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22147736

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149904

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150218

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155219

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150441 - Later change his price

http://bazaar.tf/trade/976623

Sold for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153764

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153743

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150620

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149962

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148041

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151826

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151537

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151765

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150928

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738832

http://bazaar.tf/trade/976894

Selling/ Sold for 7.33

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239398

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239275

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150785

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153698

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153166

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148753

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153085

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150197

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152057

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150318

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148594

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150709

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151352

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152047

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154379

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151373

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153037

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152254

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154126

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153468

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483752455

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483730687

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738380

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738423

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483737960

Selling/ Sold for 7.22

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239414

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150995

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148782

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135117

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22138418

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149773

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154980

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22138057

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483823709

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483736073

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483735195

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483831800

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483734573

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483821371

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483822104

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483744376

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483742055

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483835949

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483747264

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483748182

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483818683

Selling/ Sold for 7.11

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239197

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153152

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151645

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152379

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483823077

Selling/ Sold for 7.00

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152488

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149522

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150084

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148590

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22141722

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148930

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151318

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150790

Strange

Upvote, getting a key for 7.22 is easy

The reason why this is still up:

Everything under 7.33 is QS.

Just like I said earlier.

Thanks

The reason why you are wrong:

"we should inform people that it's easy to buy at 1.33 regardless of how fast sales are happening at 1.33." - polar

Even it's QS, with too many sales at 7.22, this range is better.

Just like I said earlier.

Quote from a craft hat suggestion?

I will never forget that.

First suggestion to make who I am.

Upvote. I sold 27 keys for 7.33 ref

Good suggestion, UPVOTE!

I did sell 2 at 7.44 in less than a week.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956#latest

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425#latest

http://gyazo.com/2288176deb8b514c26b8b2e0e87036b9

http://gyazo.com/891964a79bcd477421a416e9769e737a

Though, it seems I am lucky, and my trades have auto bump on Outpost so I think that your suggestion is fine.

Less than a week, eh? For currency, a week is a really long time. You probably would want to lower your price significantly if it took over a week to sell a key for a certain price.

Well, I just sold 2 at 7.44 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425#latest

http://gyazo.com/d41359ecb5bdcf3f686213521e4deaa8 Sold 7.44

http://gyazo.com/53da196a6332f9fc865249830736e200 Sold 7.44

Even 8 ref : http://gyazo.com/155c1734f15eac4689675f505add2124 Sold 8 ref.

Take you 2 days

2 days...

Why is it taking so long for the suggestion to be accepted? I mean the longer it drags on for, the lower amount of valid links is gonna be left.

this is random but i just have to say it: Took awhile for me to sell 4 keys at 7.66, so upvote :D

Our bots price keys at B: 7.22, S: 7.44. We have no trouble selling keys at 7.44, but we are not buying many for 7.22. Perhaps the current range is more accurate right now. Just FYI.

"Scrap.tf or any automated service does not constitute to valid proof as people from the need of quick metal do not mind the lower price and pay for the convenience."

Makes no sense to me, but whatever.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514bc9a1ba25361a20000004

Like this. Scrap.tf has been used as proof there and got rejected.

As cleverpun said: "I never consider scrap.tf valid evidence for any price change--their business model is based on convenience." Same thing will be applied to your case.

That interesting, because 2 years ago I would've made the exact same argument about outpost vs trade servers. I think that viewpoint fails to accept how markets can change based on new business models. First it was trade servers, then came tf2tp, then it was replaced by outpost, and now we have seen the rise of bots.

Our bots have been used as evidence in countless suggestions in the past, along with other bots. AFAIK, bots are accepted as proof when certain conditions are met.

Suggestions you yourself used automated bots as part of your proof:

Current suggestion (http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458)

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53e3298d4f96f44b0d8b4568

I'm sure there are others, but I have no intention to check

Other suggestions:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53d579804cd7b80f158b4568

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53d190a54dd7b808398b4569

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/539d09e14cd7b8fd318b465a

And countless more... Especially when keys were rising.

People used them as support proof. I see no problem with that.

Only as support.

Also, you listed my bot's trade as "Unsold". That contradicts with your statement, and it is also incorrect as it has sold many. I don't know where you get the information for Unsolds, but it's clearly wrong.

You've lost all your credibility with that in my eyes. You may have made the same mistake on others as well.

7.33 flat would be more accurate IMHO.

If you read the rule, it isn't.

Good proof, upvote ;)

I hope keys drop to 6.77 at the very least. I want to fucking make some pizza from all the keys I sold at 7.55

All sales in last 6 hours.

Unsolds at 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155902

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157169

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156558

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156594

http://bazaar.tf/trade/977227

http://bazaar.tf/trade/977339

Sold for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158578

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156102

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156692

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158171

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156528

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483777268

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775858

http://bazaar.tf/trade/977218

Selling/ Sold for 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158379

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158390

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156915

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156719

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158032

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157981

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156313

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157341

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157509

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157624

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158101

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483762326

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483763551

Selling/ Sold for 7.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158584

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156946

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158077

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157090

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157558

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154980

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483772606

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483773238

Selling/ Sold for 7.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155950

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775515

Selling/ Sold for 7.00

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239495

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157611

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155551

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156010

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775290

Buyers for 7.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22143345 #bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19533678 #bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19515838 #bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22047711

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18428424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22143081

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21890072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19821508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18116583

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21848671

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21599956 #bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129647

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154799

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158343

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21960400

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157000

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157020

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135597

There are likely more. Show me why anything under 7.33 isn't technically a "quicksale" when there are tons of buyers at 7.33

Looks like it is getting stable at 7.33...

"For example, if there are a 100 sales at 1.33 and 1 at 1.66, you wouldn't price it at 1.66 flat even if 1.33 sells in an hour."

I have said this a ton of times. In this case, it doesn't matter how fast they went. The matter here is how many of them are sold at 7.22. The number of sales at 7.22 basically overpowered 7.44 sales so 7.22 must be in the range.

my argument isn't with the removal of 7.44 (for which i couldn't find a single open buyer) but rather with the inclusion of 7.22 when there are so many available buyers for more and another 2X or more buying at 7.22 openly and as quickbuys.

Amen. Resuggest @ 7.33 & gg

Amen. No.

My point stays still as 7.22 happen too much. In this case, it doesn't matter how fast they went. What matters here is how many of them are sold.

you have just as many links for 7.22 happening in seconds as people occasionally buying at 7.44. You have to take both buyers and sellers into account.

more 7.33 buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22159364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20828841 #bot

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169848

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21935823

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21535769

in my opinion it should be 7.22 - 7.11 but cewl! Upvote!

Going to sleep today, know that when i wake up tmr, my bp value will have decreased by a lot -_-

Bought 20 keys @ 7.22 each, upvote.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369#latest :D, my own trade, sold it in like 30 secs XD upboat

Why hasn't this been accepted yet? Are they stalling on purpose.

It's 'stalling' because its hard to find keys that aren't gone in seconds @ 7.22 but for some reason the OP disagrees.

Everyone else is coming in and upvoting blindly because they want cheap keys and "herp derp so many positive upvotes well I guess that means it's real"

So much truth it hurts

just like in real life, the rich dont want to lose profit xD they have like hundreds of keys

Agree. I wonder what the admins shall do with this suggestion.

I can buy at 7.22 (approx 2-3 keys/day), but it's not as fast as it should be included in the range imo.

I was selling keys on BP TF classified for 7.33 It was up for 12 hours, maybe less. When i woke up i had over 10 trade offers for keys. One person wanted 20 keys, others wanted 1-4 keys. It was quite nuts. If you seriously want some picture proof i will. But it's kind of time consuming for me as I'm not the best at doing it :P

Too many positive votes? Seems legit. I wish I could upvote, I've seen countless 7.33 trades. Hell, I've seen some 7.00 sellers on trade servers.

7? I thought I was lucky enough to find 7.22 sellers at trade servers( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

My 7.11 buying trade at Outpost hasn't been doing so well, even before I lowered it (used to be 7.22). The key market sure is strange. Before we saw 7.33-7.11 sells, now it's looking stable at 7.33. Hmm...

.. Can this just get accepted already ..?

I dont know if it should be accepted anymore. It seriously seems to have leveled out at 7.33. If you read above you'll see my other comment. I think i'm gona have to be neutral on this now :/

Upvote! :D , you really got proof there also, also why that user nomy is so persistent? anyway good luck with this :)

Really nice proof. I can see the price dropping. Upboat

Upvoted 2 days ago. Im ready for all that profit. Got about 800 refs drop dem keys :D

Downvote from me, looks like they're stable.

how about no u

uh smells like blind upvoters

They keep coming

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173530 (7 ref)

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240383 (7 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172130 (7 ref)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172098 (7.22)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171976 (7 ref)

At this point it's pretty much stalling until any further progress. What the OP could do is resuggest to 7.33 but I doubt that'll work either. It's now either reject or wait.

The first thing I look to when attempting to evaluate a key suggestion is classifieds.

Currently classifieds http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1 has only 1 trade under 7.33 ref. An item should be relatively easy to find at the lowend, and currently keys don't appear too easy to buy at 7.22 ref. It was the same yesterday when the key suggestion was still new. I don't know if 7.22 should be in the range at this time. There's also only 7 sellers under 7.44 ref at this time in classifieds.

You also can't ignore all the 7.33 buyers. If a large handful of people are buying at a proposed highend, that suggestion may be too low.

These are just my thoughts on this suggestion so far.

the only ones in classifieds currently at 7.22 are first one sold out and second one offline.

Currently, keys at 7.22 don't come by too often, strangely for me 7.22 and below sellers became rarer some time after this suggestion was made, but maybe that's just me

You could not have said it better Cashew. I was thinking kinda the same thing because Scrap.tf was sold out earlier today and they sell keys at 7.44.

But there are sells at 7.22 which is probably people just needing quick pure. Like with any currency people who want quick pure will always sell lower then the going price and people who want to buy an item quick will pick the closes and fasted price, and sometimes that price is 7.44.

You can find people selling for 7.33 and you can find buyers at 7.33. Which makes me think 7.33 is the most common traded price.

Good proof, upvote!

Is this the real life?

Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide,

No escape from reality.

it is .... just wrong... i just pronounced my opinion and ppl dislike me.... wot?? WHY THE HELL they don't let me to make my own opinion!!

You my friend are a professional. If I could, I would give you thousands of upvotes for all that proof.

teh evidences are evrywherrr (but seriously, this is great, you get upvote)

why is this taking so long?

How is this still not accepted?

Edit: this was posted 3 days ago. Really, like, whats going on?

The proof isn't valid, that's why.

Mind to tell how they are not valid?

Would like a resuggest of 7.33 flat. There seems to be too many 7.22 buyers. Herp Derp so many links, upgoat>:O

I dont know how the keys are supposed to fall more because the price of a key is 1.80$ and even more on the steam community market? 8 ref is a good price

The SCM is not good proof due to the taxes

Key to money rate has nothing to do with key to ref rate. Ref to money rate has.

Update the proofs.

And key's price according to tf2finance: 7.26

Unsolds at 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176901

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171856

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171498

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169990 - Failed to sell for 7.44, changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170438

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175779 - Failed to sell for 7.44, changed his price to 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169732

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172743

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168688

http://bazaar.tf/trade/978598

Sold for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176903

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174852

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167604

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171267

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170365

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166350

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174884

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176366

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483709165

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483686293

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483694830

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483712478

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483701333

Sold for 7.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176697

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176038

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175459

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174408

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174843

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169235

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174469

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168228

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168449

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170425

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175204

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171844

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171360

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174170

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173858

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173775

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172147

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175053

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174959

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175487

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483708518

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483688218

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483712624

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483697020

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483706944

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483705561

Selling/ Sold for 7.22

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178533

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172098

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22159459

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173855

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168603

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168814

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176232

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174930

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168374

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177515

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172481

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175442

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483671651

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483595427

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483597364

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483711516

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483687370

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483693213

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483779348

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483681810

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483784056

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483692551

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483657497

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483687368

http://bazaar.tf/trade/978469

Selling/ Sold for 7.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22162635

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177483

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177716

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169186

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483715597

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483783138

Selling/ Sold for 7.00

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240147

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240383

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239840

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177046

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171976

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175355

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172130

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166958

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173619

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169297

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171546

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167950

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177044

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176498

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22160058

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483682531

Selling/ Sold for 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174760

Selling/ Sold for 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177548

Selling/ Sold for 6.00

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240135

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167573

7.44 is outnumbered by 7.22, 7.11 and 7.

And proof > argument and opinion

Yup, this pretty much secured my upvote. Nice work.

Not a single one of your 7.44 unsolds is valid.

Unsolds at 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176901 - Not valid, last bumped 11 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171856 - Not valid, last bumped 16 hours ago (how do you even find these trades?!)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171498 - Not valid, last bumped 7 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505 - Not valid, last bumped 6 hours ago AND has at least one buyer (see trade comments)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169990 - Not valid, you have no proof he tried to sell for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170438 - Not valid, last bumped 18 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175779 - Not valid, you have no proof he tried to sell for 7.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169732 - Not valid, all sold since at least 4 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172743 - Not valid, last bumped 16 hours ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168688 - Not valid, closed his trade cos they sold.

http://bazaar.tf/trade/978598 - Not valid, poorly bumped and same trader as http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505

Why is bumping so important? Because keys are a high volume item, so trades older than ~8-10 hours won't even show up on the first 20 pages of search results for key-refined, meaning no regular key buyer is ever likely to find them.

Having a quick look at your 7.22 links, some are of the same trader, at least one sold for 7.22+weapon, and most sold almost instantly, making them a quicksell in my opinion. The volume alone doesn't mean much - it's imo still not much compared to the sheer volume of keys being traded daily.

edit:

Selling/ Sold for 7.11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369 - sold in 1 minute

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22162635 - sold in 1 minute

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177483 - sold in 1 minute

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177716 - sold in 1 minute

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169186 - sold in 1 minute

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483715597 - unknown

http://www.trade.tf/trade/483783138 - unknown

I'm not exaggerating, all of these people closed their trades in the same minute it was made (click on the '... hours ago' to see exact times of trade creation/closure). That's as much quicksell as you can possibly have. Anyway, this section is completely irrelevant.

That seems about right ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

upboat

Just bought 3 keys at 7.11 through my bot.. upvote!

Which bot? >.>

my bot :3, want a link? not sure if im allowed to o.O

you know, all this about phishing links and such.

downvote, they just qs keys, scared that they lose some scrap bechause keys are droping down

why is this trade still on ther is tons of proof!

nice suggestion

Given the preponderance of counterproof as well as proof that 7.22 is a quicksell, I've changed to a downvote. There's not a single classified listing for 7.22 right now, and the first page has keys for 7.44.

It was fun seeing keys drop so much for the first time, and it looks like we're back to where they were when I started trading, but it seems to me that the price has stabilized now that people aren't rushing to get rid of their keys for fear of further drops or attempts at price speculating.

Got anymore recent 7.22 sellers that are not sold?

The one above

And I'm gathering more now, will update later.

I will not add bots on this proof.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/putnumberhere - 13 <---- The numbers he sold or at least from what I know.

7.66??:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178617 - 1

7.55 solds?:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185217 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177203 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180405 - 1

7.44 solds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182989 - 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182809 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180567 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172827 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173432 - 3?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176903 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182867 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175883 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184755 - 1 (has 50+)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174852 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180572 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177837 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180758 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184392 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178419 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178225 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173462 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185700 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178763 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176257 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177215 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179065 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505 - Unknown (Buy and sell trader) (Got an add)

7.33 solds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175312 - 9 (Maybe sold for a discounted price, please check if you can)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182945 - 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176469 - 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179723 - 6

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175053 - 5

http://bazaar.tf/trade/979484 - 5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176697 - 4

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22183922 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180027 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181552 - 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174170 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174843 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179735 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185822 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180597 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178180 - 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179230 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179202 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185853 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176587 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173142 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173086 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177675 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177678 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178821 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177889 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178696 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178703 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181374 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182294 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178196 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181741 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184620 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184002 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184012 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176154 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184033 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180683 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175117 - 1

7.22 solds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22114927 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175442 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185527 - 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174930 - 1 (2 adds?)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22040375 - 1 (Old)

Did not add anything below 7.11 since it's sure quicksell.

Gone through 100 pages on trade.tf and I got this. 7.44 stills sell and this won't mean a 7.33 price is needed. (Pretty sure you're still going to try 7.33 price if this doesn't get accepted though) Not sure on how you got a mass of 7.22 sellers/sold, but I only got those from my search through trade.tf. 7.33> seems to be a quicksell and doesn't have any sellers for those prices much.

Current price seems fine. Downvoting unless a lot more proof is provided.

Finally, some real convincing counter-proofs for me to close this other than stupid arguments based on different point of view.

Thx you. You ended this suffer for me.