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"lol noob cooldown iznt over, daovote, rekt'd"
I'm allowed to do this a little sooner (Thx Puddington and polar!)
This time, the classified listing isn't on our side now.
Key price according to:
trade.tf: 7.22 - 7.33
tf2finance: 7.22 - 7.33
And, here we go!
Unsolds at 7.44
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236876
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22033491
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21757995
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19840790
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946006
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21996401
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21768494
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091031
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107799
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22013285
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112752
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21957497
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112613
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088785
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102494
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102445
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103337
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22011022
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21720259
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094778
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084890
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093510
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21978876
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090244
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972702
Selling/ Sold for 7.33
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236709
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10237258
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101478
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20658285
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101481
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22068265
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100107
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099405
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075207
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102514
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098088
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107741
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100142
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100111
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098679
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101974
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102839
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101103
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102580
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22106293
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090919
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098992
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098516
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100509
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21777710
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100936
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100275
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101735
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102351
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103060
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101385
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101702
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102206
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103058
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103088
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098822
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109647
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22096803
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22044243
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099018
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21058028
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22097278
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21594265
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098822
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22061252
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21551753
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22072959
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22003885
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098157
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21965365
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972611
Selling/ Sold for 7.22
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236035
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20954058
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18881766
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22040375
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22069715
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22114927
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116469
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116130
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22111716
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110089
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107726
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116337
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073522
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095896
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103866
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22115134
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116130
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22104068
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099206
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22114293
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22111490
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22116023
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22083714
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22079709
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102144
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22081860
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100116
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22111336
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080521
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112442
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103821
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22111934
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22105112
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099730
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100811
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084422
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101067
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22104176
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099049
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108801
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100684
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22069394
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088709
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22066060
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22087508
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22104000
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085163
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088318
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095291
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099730
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22082263
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095998
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098929
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22113043
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101330
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075615
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22106909
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22083039
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22083249
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084279
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084008
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101117
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089743
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089056
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22064038
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073916
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22096228
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091364
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093072
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22092699
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22065665
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22079030
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084785
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22063383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22115288
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22071513
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080826
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22070160
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073749
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22067819
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22065000
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22064506
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089902
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090682
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22077403
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22071528
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22066916
http://bazaar.tf/trade/970055
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973176
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973189
http://bazaar.tf/trade/969888
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22065486
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22072824
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22071293
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22074167
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22076060
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22095067
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22070841
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089532
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073464
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100197
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22113816
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22096185
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22082626
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22075856
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22076325
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22073827
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089495
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972249
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972266
Selling/ Sold for 7.00
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10235133
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22067832
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22065215
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085584
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22076767
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085841
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22101091
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102129
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22082290
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084960
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22079543
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22096288
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103278
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103296
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22079118
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22100116
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22092851
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094373
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22114970
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22082122
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22092945
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080671
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22106120
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22099958
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098258
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22080239
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22082175
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22081499
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084653
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22067741
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22074613
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22089811
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22065168
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973622
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972831
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972801
Selling/ Sold for 6.66
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10235712
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236668
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236321
Selling/ Sold for 6.00
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22106044
Selling/ Sold for 5.00
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22098353
Selling/ Sold for 4.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085686
Conclusion: Keys can be sold at any price but 7.22 - 7.33 dominate. Massive 7-ref sales will balance out any outliers at 7.44.
Feel free to counter / support my proofs.
Good night!
good proof, upboat
Since 2 days ago I can't buy any Key, nobody quicksells it for 7 Refs, and 1 or 2 users added me for buy Key for 7.33. I was worried, but now, seeing your proof, I'm calm, clearly I just got bad luck, and 7.22 should be included in range.
shit is outta bp.tf control again B]
upvoted
Interesting how there aren't any warned comments or flame wars when keys are dropping.
You trying to start a flame war? :D
PYRO'S ARE TOO OP THE TF ZEUS SHOULD NURF THE AX
(but in all seriousness,good proof, upboat)
So many UpBoats
I miss long?
I love lamp? Good proof upvote.
More evidence: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22139073
INSTANTLY SOLD at 7.33 refined.
srsly spell out Seriously correctly and stop complaining
Why does he have to spell out seriously correctly? You understand it right?
Would you put l33tspeak in an actual resume to get a job in real life? If not, show some decency and respect the language. So far, to this date, I don't think anyone who has put srsly into their resume has actually obtained a job
Sold many for 7.11 upboat
I think your suggesting range is no longer valid, since most of your proofs are no longer valid.
You should gather more valid unsold @7.44 refined, in order to exclude it from range
Unsolds at 7.44
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236876 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22033491 -> re-seller cannot really count as valid proof
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21757995 -> long standing trade, with buyers@7.44 refined 6 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19840790 -> re-seller. trade is 1 month old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946006 -> most of the keys are sold, 1 left
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> reseller, 2 weeks old
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21996401 -> has successfully sold 22 keys according the trade note
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21768494 -> reseller, 2 weeks old. Now buying @7.22 selling @7.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483 -> reseller, 1 week old. Now buying @7.33 selling@7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091031 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956 -> sold all today
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107799 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 -> valid
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22013285 -> reseller, buying@7.11 selling@7.44. Note indicating all keys are sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112752 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21957497 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112613 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018 -> valid
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088785 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102494 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102445 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710 -> has 1 key and is sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103337 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22011022 -> sold at 7.33 refined
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> reseller, no longer selling, buying @6.33 refined each
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331 -> all 4 keys are sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277 -> according to his bp, 7 keys are sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026 -> valid, several keys are sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045 -> there are some buyers in comment section
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21720259 -> reseller, currently not buying and not selling
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094778 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458 -> reseller, 2 weeks old, currently buying @ 7.22 selling @ 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 -> repeat link and resller
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084890 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093510 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 -> 2 months old, note states 15 keys in stock, buy only 7 keys remain
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21978876 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090244 -> sold
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500 sold
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972702 sold
Do you realise that many of them take many days to sell it for 7.44, which indicates that 7.44 is hard to sell and should be removed?
First your suggestion started 5 days ago, many of these links by nature are no longer valid.
secondly, from your links, many of them are sold within 1 day, i can try listing some if i want to.
third, many of your links are re-seller, some even dated back to 1 month ago.
By number your proof looks great, but quality remains questionable.
Check through those unsolds again.
Valid
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22013285
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166
http://bazaar.tf/trade/972702
Took a lot of time to sell
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10236876
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22033491 - Last interest: 2 days ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21757995 - Last interest: 9 hours ago and 6 days ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946006 - Took 1 week
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21687166 - Took 2 weeks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21996401 - Last interest: 4 days ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22091031 - Took 1 day to sell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956 - Took 5 days to sell
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21957497 - Took 1 week
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112613 - Took 1 day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22088785 - Took 2 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22102445 - Took 1 day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103337 - Took 1 day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22094778 - Took 2 days
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22084890 - Took 1 day
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21978876 - Took 1 week
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22090244 - Took 2 days
Other reasons
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19840790 - He cashed out
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21768494 - Changed his price to 7.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107799 - Changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122706 - Changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22112752 - Changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22011022 - Changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21720259 - No longer buying/selling
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458 - Just a bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22093510 - Used those keys to buy games
Still unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500
All I can see is 7.44 take a lot of time to sell. And to keys, sold in 1 day = slow.
And if those resellers have a lot of in stock, they can be used as support-proof for a drop.
i interpret as that buyers willing to buy @7.44 refined start to appear from yesterday. In addition since they are sold, they can no longer to be accounted as unsold, unless you would like to provide more refresh proofs.
And also from your unsold:
Still unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 -> okay
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21925483 -> reseller, he has higher stock because he is buying at 7.33 refined
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108018 -> okay
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22107710 -> has no key anymore
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22110331 -> keys you see are already sold. all keys in his bp are new
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21938045 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108026 -> sold several if you check the history
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21773277 -> sold several as well
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 -> sold 8, 2 months old trade
http://bazaar.tf/trade/973500 -> sold check his bp
People can use keys as currency so your "Sold several according to history" excuse can be invalid.
And
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20307022 - Sold 8 in 1 month? I call it "Unsold"
Now, you can play with my new unsolds below.
if you look at his trade, he is changing in 2 month time. You can't really use long term trade like this for your unsold proof.
well, since now you already find some people who are able to sell @7.44 refined in 1,2 hours; i think this argument should end here :)
Compare to the large amount of sales at 7.33 and lower, this argument will continue.
given your new Unsolds at 7.44
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238293 -> not checking, sorry i dislike tf2tp
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133897 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132957 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132383 -> close his trade
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128727 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128516 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128656 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125866 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123040 -> reseller. claimed 16 sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130383 -> fresh reseller who has only 2 keys and 45 refined
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129444 -> doesn't have key anymore
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130741 -> sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124908 -> sold
For now, i don't think you can exclude 7.44 refined.
They still took many hours to sell, which still can be considered as "Hard to sell" and ready to be removed.
A key which took like 4 hours to be sold can be considered as "Unsolds" as keys can be sold at any price
lol "hours to sell" means it should be excluded. Yes these are keys but hours is still quite fast. If you were talking days you might have a point.
If something are in high demand like keys takes hours to be sold, that price can be considered as "Hard to sell" and ready to be removed out of the range.
It clearly shouldn't take anyone more than 2 seconds to get 7.33. there are plenty of bots paying that with plenty of metal. along with enough real people if you have some perverted aversion to selling to bots.
Edit: Btw i sold multiple keys for 7.33 to the bots mentioned in between these comments.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514bc9a1ba25361a20000004
Like this. Scrap.tf has been used as proof there and got rejected.
As cleverpun said: "I never consider scrap.tf valid evidence for any price change--their business model is based on convenience." Same thing will be applied to your case.
A bot is a bot.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22085686[/url] - This 4.77 seller has so many views... Most of them were probably people from here checking if it was legit xD
Good proof. I only don't know why someone would sell a key for 4.77 xD
They are heroes.
Nice proof... upboat
"Good proof. I only don't know why someone would sell a key for 4.77"
People who do this kind of trades deserves a special place in my heart. I'm going to say that I still see unsolds at 7.55-7.88 too on Outpost. Keys are really dropping now, no rises since it dropped from 8 ref~ . Upvote
I bought 3 at 7,33 and 1 at 7,22 today. http://i.imgur.com/XBvGPQP.png
Seems like they could use a drop.
Awesome proof, keep up the good work :D! upvote
I wonder what price keys will stay at, upvote
Did the price of keys in USD changed in last months?
I mean the community price, which was about $1.9 when 1 key was 8.55 ref, but ref's usd value is the same as 3 months ago.
Ah, then I am not 100% sure about it, but I don't think so.
The price of the keys still is around $1,9. It haven't changed.
I hope everyone who said "Keys arent rising, Ref is dropping" realizes how stupid that argument was now. It was funny how stubbornly they all stuck to that, despite the fact that Ref was clearly not the base currency for paypal trading.
Anyway, I bought some keys for 7.33 yesterday on a server, I got them pretty fast. It did seem like 7.33 was the price all the buyers were asking though, but it was a small sample size compared to all of OP.
...Except that the price of keys over paypal is still the same as it was 1.22 ref ago. So yeah. Ref was dropping and now it's rising. Keys are the same price as they were before. Whether or not ref is the "base currency" is irrelevant. Its value relative to dollars isn't.
I do not think you understood my post. In the slightest.
You claimed that the argument was stupid... but it's true. I understand your argument just fine; you don't understand basic economics.
No, you see, you just confirmed that you have absolutely no clue what I meant). It technically was dropping, yes, but do you really think anyone couldn't see that? Do you even remember the argument for "Ref is dropping" (Did you read my original comment? It seems less and less likely.)?
It went like this, they said that Keys were stable, but Ref was forcing the Key<->Ref price up because no one wanted Ref, and cited the paypal price as proof. They (and you apparently) were wrong right from the start. Why would the key<->ref price changed based on paypal if a small fraction of traders use it? Keys rising forced Ref down for paypal traders, and now it's in reverse. I think you assumed wrongly that I was basing my argument on paypal, which would be stupid because far fewer people use it than people who just trade items.
If you still don;t understand, I really can't help you.
No one, including you, has any idea what you're talking about :P
tl;dr - Why are we basing "rising" and "falling" on paypal prices if hardly anyone uses it compared to item trading.
I agree with you.
One additional point, if ref was really dropping as some suggested, then every item valued in ref should have gone up, not just keys. However only keys kept rising, which was really the keys were rising on their own, not due to the ref dropping.
Wrong. other items like tods and paints rose in refined right along with keys. The natural trend for most items over time is to drop as they become older, less novel, and more numerous. This can give someone a false impression.
i just sold 6 at 7.11
upvoted because lower
I Have no idea how long it goes down but im guessing around 7-6 ref. Since i've realised keys are going down i've prepared for it.
This is the TF2 community, it'll go down to 3 ref as it went up to 8. :P
excellent proof upvote
downvote for the moment.
7.22-7.33 was the right price for 2 days ago or even yesterday but keys have risen again today.
It's "for the moment" since I have no idea if that raise will continue or not.
There is still proof that traders considered 7.22 as a fair price for their key.
Right now keys at 7.33 are bought immediately.
In the last hour, keys put on the market and sold at 7.33:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123739
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123736
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123509
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123823
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123856
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123964
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123358
There are also quite a few bots buying keys at 7.33 with a lot of metal available.
I don't think 7.22 should be in the range when keys are sold at 7.33 that easily.
Cmon man, sure 7.33 goes fast but this suggestion shows that there are also many solds at 7.22. And only your down vote wouldnt affect the suggestion
"And only your down vote wouldnt affect the suggestion"
500 votes - 1 vote = 499 votes
Affected.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123739[/url] (Still has the key)
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634[/url] (Has sold a few but still has more than half left)
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123856[/url] (The same guy at the third link and still has the keys)
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123964[/url] (Still has both keys)
Most of the trades were closed and completed through people who had lots of metal and brought all the keys the user had. Some still have the keys as shown and although the trades are closed does not mean they sold them. I still see 7.33 is still possible and that's why is in the range. The point is this suggestion shows how 7.22 its possible and 7.44 barely sells. And believe it or not this suggestion its most likely gonna be accepted with this amount of proof and how good standing it is.
Love the proof upvote !
That's a ton of good evidence you have there.
Upboat.
I have been buying for 7.00-7.22 and selling for 7.33. Haven't been able to sell a key for 7.44 after 3 days and I have given up. Selling for 7.44 is nearly impossible and even 7.33 doesn't sell as fast as it did 3 days ago http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21831232 Hey look it's me on the mighty wall of proof :0 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22092851
Dat price manipulation doe. :D jokes.
Enough proof for me. Take my upvote.
Duh, upvote.
By now, this is free rep. upgoat
Some more proof from my recent trades: http://gyazo.com/dceb518e517684c5add4e457567836b7
7.22 buys and 7.33 sells
And that my freind is how you crash an economy :)
some of the links of unsold at 7.44 is sold actually :(
That's because people find them through this post and go buy them :P
Woah, People are purposely trying to make it harder for people do lower prices for keys.
I used to have bought keys at 7.33, but I closed it.
Before I closed it, I got 10 keys from that total.
Upvote.
And this was when keys were still at 7.66-7.77
Do you have any proof/links to back that claim, sir?
solid proof. upvote
i upvoted because you have proof, but one thing i must say, all these people selling lower than current bp.tf price is because they want to get rid of their keys before they drop again, lower and lower, people assume that in the future with the metal they get now, by selling their keys cheaper , they will be able to receive 2 keys... anyways, good proof. R.I.P keys.
4 bought for 7.33 instantly:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131529
Very good, wish I could of got to that 5 ref sale first!
More proof.
Unsolds at 7.44
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238293
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133897
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133182 - Now selling for 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132957
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128727
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128516
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128656
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129891
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125866
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123040
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129444
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130741
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124908
Sold for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130400
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121888
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128287
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128162
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129108
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483910074
http://bazaar.tf/trade/975118
Selling/ Sold for 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134954
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134724
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122706
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132975
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122857
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122888
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121843
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134093
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130566
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130115
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22126539
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130932
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129994
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22124487
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134026
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131784
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133543
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133243
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134768
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131630
http://bazaar.tf/trade/975409
Selling/ Sold for 7.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134353
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133506
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128326
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22125391
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122290
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123604
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130835
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128423
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22132012
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483810592
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483786801
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483798582
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483908455
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483897703
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483905255
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483792132
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483787075
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483888221
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483893892
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483792808
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483909894
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483909610
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483791217
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483800474
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133980
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133933
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22133015
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130458
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483903921
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483801541
Selling/ Sold for 7.00
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134904
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134409
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130591
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123419
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22121415
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22126424
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22122051
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123922
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22120738
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128650
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129333
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123492
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130769
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22130852
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483788192
Selling/ Sold for 6.66
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238036
Selling/ Sold for 4.77
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22131902
This should be fine.
Sorry mate, 7.22 is a quicksell
Proofs OMG <3
nice proof, but i guess proof of 7.22 is not really correct. mostly 7.22 one gets sold instantly and yes and some of them is stating as qs. i guess just 7.33 will be better price
7.22 happen too much so even they went fast, they still have to be in the range.
Some more sellers to compliment Mr. Giang's proof (I'm new to these kind of things so I don't know how to tell solds from unsolds, however I will state which one I'm sure is unsold)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21931100 7.33 unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21920696 7.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22137827 7.44 unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22128057 7.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21813816 7.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425 7.66 unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22072136 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22136549 7.88
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22026898 7.55 unsold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22048107 7.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103406 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20658285 7.33 sold
I didn't have much time and as I said I'm new to proof posting, so forgive me for any mistakes and if some of these trades are already posted. My conclusion is similar to Mr. Giang's conclusion: Anything above 7.44 has a remote chance of selling. 7.44-7.33 still sells, but 7.33-7.22 dominates.
Bless those sellers under 5 ref.
I don't see the point in putting 7.22 in the range as everything under 7.33 is qs or shittily bumped.
I clicked on two of the '7.33' links which were actually 7.44.
Someone with more time than I please go through the proof?
Read few comments above, you will get your answer.
"7.22 happen too much so even they went fast, they still have to be in the range."
They happen way too much. 7.22 - 7.33 ref is the most common trading point.
english?
Go through the proof again
"Someone with more time than I please go through the proof?" Honestly if you disagree with some proof and you expect someone to go through the rest for you your just lazy :P
Upvoted because you used bazaar.tf ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
But srsly, good proof!
Not enough proof,downvote
Just kidding,upvote
upvote for me
this is the most proof ive ever seen in my life
and ofcorse almost everyone is going to upboat
Keys = Rekt
upboat on that massive pile of proof, been trading at this price range for awhile now.
I leave for a couple of weeks and come back to this... Not quite sure how I feel about it, but the proof is there so you have my vote
great proof up vote.
Lol I upboated and it said too many positive upboats
why cant i upvote D: its only letting me choose down vote (which i wont)
too many positive upboats
It won't let us upboat? dats evil ;-;
so much proof though. bloody hell...
so much proof... bloody hell... upvote dis bitch...
This vote has recieved too many upvotes....
Is that even possible?
its over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scrap.tf is buying at 7.22 and is still completely out of keys.
0 for 7.22 on classifieds and 7.33 vanish very quickly.
7.22 seems too low.
Oh man someone who opened their eyes.
Thank you kind sir for not blindly voting.
When this suggestion first came up, there were plenty availability at 7.22 but seems like there isn't anymore. There is hardly any at 7.22 ref anymore. Tf2 finance and trade.tf are also showing 7.33 ref.
7.33 flat would be better here.
You should do that suggestion...
If this suggestion fail, the Keys will go up to 9 Refs so fast hahahaha.
Who ever is selling keys for 5 ref, I will find you and I will trade you
Evidence for solds at 7,33, sold really fast (didn't even put them on outpost)
http://i.imgur.com/MK1bzQi.png - sold 6 keys
Looks good to me, upvote.
nicely done.
Good Proof but i can't upvote :o
#wallofproof
#keysaredroppingyay
#excellentproofupboat
the value has droped so much used to be 8.33 some days ago now 7.33 :(.... good proof tho so upboat :)
http://shopbot.tf/sell/
Currently can buy over 100 keys @7.33 each. Why anybody is willing to take less I don't know.
Wait this is a thing
Since when
Link doesn't work, but is this what you meant?
http://www.shopbot.tf/
Totally upvote, part for the good proof but most of it because, hey... It's keys goin' down, I'll upvote it up the ass...
Good proof, Upvote :D
btw who dafuq wud sell a key for 4.77 lmao
Downvote. Oh wait.... Its upvote to approve? Upvote very good proof!
Most of them sold already so down vote
hah, now everyone will be complaining that keys keep dropping, the exact opposite of what was happening a little while ago XD
expect a new breed of complainers coming, they will signal their arrival with "i remember when keys were 8 refined"
i just hope keys will balance out before they hit ~3-4 refined
gud proof, probably not hard to find i am guessing
I remember when keys were 3 refined, Just kidding.
@OP: Good job with proof!
6 Refined would be a nice place to settle at, but that isn't likely to happen.
yeah, my hope is that keys will settle around 3-6 refined and not continue to completely crash until everything is worth ~10 cents each
lowering the key prices by ~5 ref is a healthy change in the economy, it gives a chance for players to take advantage of the negative key demand and not completely lose all value
UpVote
The Proof Is Outstanding :3
noob question, this suggestion has been up for a day, how long till its tallied and accepted/rejected?
cool down is stupid, if they want a delay between suggestions they simply can be accepted later therefore throughout the cooldown period, more evidence can be added
I Sold couple of keys for 7.44 ref in couple hours but still you have my up-vote , really good job with all proofs .
The key market is quite strange now.
Those are all sales I found in last 12 hours.
Unsolds at 7.44
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10238817
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152640
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152235 - Closed
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22141977
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151338
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151213
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148830
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22147759
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22147736
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149904
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150218
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155219
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150441 - Later change his price
http://bazaar.tf/trade/976623
Sold for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153764
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153743
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150620
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149962
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148041
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151826
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151537
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151765
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150928
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738832
http://bazaar.tf/trade/976894
Selling/ Sold for 7.33
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239398
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239275
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150785
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153698
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153166
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148753
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151244
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153085
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150197
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152057
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150318
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151662
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148594
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151626
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150709
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151352
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152047
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154379
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151373
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153037
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152254
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154126
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153468
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483752455
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483730687
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738380
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483738423
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483737960
Selling/ Sold for 7.22
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239414
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135139
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150995
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148782
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135117
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22138418
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149773
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154980
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22138057
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483823709
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483736073
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483735195
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483831800
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483734573
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483821371
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483822104
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483744376
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483742055
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483835949
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483747264
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483748182
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483818683
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239197
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22153152
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151645
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152379
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483823077
Selling/ Sold for 7.00
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152488
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22149522
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150084
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148590
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22141722
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22148930
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22151318
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150790
Strange
Upvote, getting a key for 7.22 is easy
The reason why this is still up:
Everything under 7.33 is QS.
Just like I said earlier.
Thanks
The reason why you are wrong:
"we should inform people that it's easy to buy at 1.33 regardless of how fast sales are happening at 1.33." - polar
Even it's QS, with too many sales at 7.22, this range is better.
Just like I said earlier.
Quote from a craft hat suggestion?
I will never forget that.
First suggestion to make who I am.
Upvote. I sold 27 keys for 7.33 ref
Good suggestion, UPVOTE!
I did sell 2 at 7.44 in less than a week.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22023956#latest
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425#latest
http://gyazo.com/2288176deb8b514c26b8b2e0e87036b9
http://gyazo.com/891964a79bcd477421a416e9769e737a
Though, it seems I am lucky, and my trades have auto bump on Outpost so I think that your suggestion is fine.
Less than a week, eh? For currency, a week is a really long time. You probably would want to lower your price significantly if it took over a week to sell a key for a certain price.
Well, I just sold 2 at 7.44 :
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109425#latest
http://gyazo.com/d41359ecb5bdcf3f686213521e4deaa8 Sold 7.44
http://gyazo.com/53da196a6332f9fc865249830736e200 Sold 7.44
Even 8 ref : http://gyazo.com/155c1734f15eac4689675f505add2124 Sold 8 ref.
Take you 2 days
2 days...
Why is it taking so long for the suggestion to be accepted? I mean the longer it drags on for, the lower amount of valid links is gonna be left.
this is random but i just have to say it: Took awhile for me to sell 4 keys at 7.66, so upvote :D
Our bots price keys at B: 7.22, S: 7.44. We have no trouble selling keys at 7.44, but we are not buying many for 7.22. Perhaps the current range is more accurate right now. Just FYI.
"Scrap.tf or any automated service does not constitute to valid proof as people from the need of quick metal do not mind the lower price and pay for the convenience."
Makes no sense to me, but whatever.
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/514bc9a1ba25361a20000004
Like this. Scrap.tf has been used as proof there and got rejected.
As cleverpun said: "I never consider scrap.tf valid evidence for any price change--their business model is based on convenience." Same thing will be applied to your case.
That interesting, because 2 years ago I would've made the exact same argument about outpost vs trade servers. I think that viewpoint fails to accept how markets can change based on new business models. First it was trade servers, then came tf2tp, then it was replaced by outpost, and now we have seen the rise of bots.
Our bots have been used as evidence in countless suggestions in the past, along with other bots. AFAIK, bots are accepted as proof when certain conditions are met.
Suggestions you yourself used automated bots as part of your proof:
Current suggestion (http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21733458)
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53e3298d4f96f44b0d8b4568
I'm sure there are others, but I have no intention to check
Other suggestions:
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53d579804cd7b80f158b4568
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53d190a54dd7b808398b4569
http://backpack.tf/vote/id/539d09e14cd7b8fd318b465a
And countless more... Especially when keys were rising.
People used them as support proof. I see no problem with that.
Only as support.
Also, you listed my bot's trade as "Unsold". That contradicts with your statement, and it is also incorrect as it has sold many. I don't know where you get the information for Unsolds, but it's clearly wrong.
You've lost all your credibility with that in my eyes. You may have made the same mistake on others as well.
7.33 flat would be more accurate IMHO.
If you read the rule, it isn't.
Good proof, upvote ;)
I hope keys drop to 6.77 at the very least. I want to fucking make some pizza from all the keys I sold at 7.55
All sales in last 6 hours.
Unsolds at 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155902
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157169
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156558
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156594
http://bazaar.tf/trade/977227
http://bazaar.tf/trade/977339
Sold for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158578
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156102
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156692
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158171
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156528
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483777268
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775858
http://bazaar.tf/trade/977218
Selling/ Sold for 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158379
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158390
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158074
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156915
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156719
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158032
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157981
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155493
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156313
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157341
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157509
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157624
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158101
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483762326
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483763551
Selling/ Sold for 7.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158584
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156946
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158077
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157090
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157558
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158299
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154980
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483772606
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483773238
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155950
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775515
Selling/ Sold for 7.00
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239495
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157611
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22155551
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156010
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483775290
Buyers for 7.33:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152650
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22143345 #bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22123369
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19533678 #bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19515838 #bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22047711
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18428424
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22143081
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21890072
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19821508
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18116583
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21848671
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21599956 #bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22129647
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22154799
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158343
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21960400
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157000
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22157020
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135597
There are likely more. Show me why anything under 7.33 isn't technically a "quicksale" when there are tons of buyers at 7.33
Looks like it is getting stable at 7.33...
"For example, if there are a 100 sales at 1.33 and 1 at 1.66, you wouldn't price it at 1.66 flat even if 1.33 sells in an hour."
I have said this a ton of times. In this case, it doesn't matter how fast they went. The matter here is how many of them are sold at 7.22. The number of sales at 7.22 basically overpowered 7.44 sales so 7.22 must be in the range.
my argument isn't with the removal of 7.44 (for which i couldn't find a single open buyer) but rather with the inclusion of 7.22 when there are so many available buyers for more and another 2X or more buying at 7.22 openly and as quickbuys.
Amen. Resuggest @ 7.33 & gg
Amen. No.
My point stays still as 7.22 happen too much. In this case, it doesn't matter how fast they went. What matters here is how many of them are sold.
you have just as many links for 7.22 happening in seconds as people occasionally buying at 7.44. You have to take both buyers and sellers into account.
more 7.33 buyers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22159364
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20828841 #bot
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169848
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21935823
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21535769
in my opinion it should be 7.22 - 7.11 but cewl! Upvote!
Going to sleep today, know that when i wake up tmr, my bp value will have decreased by a lot -_-
Bought 20 keys @ 7.22 each, upvote.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369#latest :D, my own trade, sold it in like 30 secs XD upboat
Why hasn't this been accepted yet? Are they stalling on purpose.
It's 'stalling' because its hard to find keys that aren't gone in seconds @ 7.22 but for some reason the OP disagrees.
Everyone else is coming in and upvoting blindly because they want cheap keys and "herp derp so many positive upvotes well I guess that means it's real"
So much truth it hurts
just like in real life, the rich dont want to lose profit xD they have like hundreds of keys
Agree. I wonder what the admins shall do with this suggestion.
I can buy at 7.22 (approx 2-3 keys/day), but it's not as fast as it should be included in the range imo.
I was selling keys on BP TF classified for 7.33 It was up for 12 hours, maybe less. When i woke up i had over 10 trade offers for keys. One person wanted 20 keys, others wanted 1-4 keys. It was quite nuts. If you seriously want some picture proof i will. But it's kind of time consuming for me as I'm not the best at doing it :P
Too many positive votes? Seems legit. I wish I could upvote, I've seen countless 7.33 trades. Hell, I've seen some 7.00 sellers on trade servers.
7? I thought I was lucky enough to find 7.22 sellers at trade servers( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My 7.11 buying trade at Outpost hasn't been doing so well, even before I lowered it (used to be 7.22). The key market sure is strange. Before we saw 7.33-7.11 sells, now it's looking stable at 7.33. Hmm...
.. Can this just get accepted already ..?
I dont know if it should be accepted anymore. It seriously seems to have leveled out at 7.33. If you read above you'll see my other comment. I think i'm gona have to be neutral on this now :/
Upvote! :D , you really got proof there also, also why that user nomy is so persistent? anyway good luck with this :)
Really nice proof. I can see the price dropping. Upboat
Upvoted 2 days ago. Im ready for all that profit. Got about 800 refs drop dem keys :D
Downvote from me, looks like they're stable.
how about no u
uh smells like blind upvoters
They keep coming
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173530 (7 ref)
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240383 (7 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172130 (7 ref)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172098 (7.22)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171976 (7 ref)
At this point it's pretty much stalling until any further progress. What the OP could do is resuggest to 7.33 but I doubt that'll work either. It's now either reject or wait.
The first thing I look to when attempting to evaluate a key suggestion is classifieds.
Currently classifieds http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1 has only 1 trade under 7.33 ref. An item should be relatively easy to find at the lowend, and currently keys don't appear too easy to buy at 7.22 ref. It was the same yesterday when the key suggestion was still new. I don't know if 7.22 should be in the range at this time. There's also only 7 sellers under 7.44 ref at this time in classifieds.
You also can't ignore all the 7.33 buyers. If a large handful of people are buying at a proposed highend, that suggestion may be too low.
These are just my thoughts on this suggestion so far.
the only ones in classifieds currently at 7.22 are first one sold out and second one offline.
Currently, keys at 7.22 don't come by too often, strangely for me 7.22 and below sellers became rarer some time after this suggestion was made, but maybe that's just me
You could not have said it better Cashew. I was thinking kinda the same thing because Scrap.tf was sold out earlier today and they sell keys at 7.44.
But there are sells at 7.22 which is probably people just needing quick pure. Like with any currency people who want quick pure will always sell lower then the going price and people who want to buy an item quick will pick the closes and fasted price, and sometimes that price is 7.44.
You can find people selling for 7.33 and you can find buyers at 7.33. Which makes me think 7.33 is the most common traded price.
Good proof, upvote!
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
it is .... just wrong... i just pronounced my opinion and ppl dislike me.... wot?? WHY THE HELL they don't let me to make my own opinion!!
You my friend are a professional. If I could, I would give you thousands of upvotes for all that proof.
teh evidences are evrywherrr (but seriously, this is great, you get upvote)
why is this taking so long?
How is this still not accepted?
Edit: this was posted 3 days ago. Really, like, whats going on?
The proof isn't valid, that's why.
Mind to tell how they are not valid?
Would like a resuggest of 7.33 flat. There seems to be too many 7.22 buyers. Herp Derp so many links, upgoat>:O
I dont know how the keys are supposed to fall more because the price of a key is 1.80$ and even more on the steam community market? 8 ref is a good price
The SCM is not good proof due to the taxes
Key to money rate has nothing to do with key to ref rate. Ref to money rate has.
Update the proofs.
And key's price according to tf2finance: 7.26
Unsolds at 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176901
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171856
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171498
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169990 - Failed to sell for 7.44, changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170438
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175779 - Failed to sell for 7.44, changed his price to 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169732
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172743
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168688
http://bazaar.tf/trade/978598
Sold for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176903
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174852
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167604
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171267
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170365
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166350
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175883
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174884
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176366
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483709165
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483686293
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483694830
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483712478
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483701333
Sold for 7.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176697
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176038
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175459
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174408
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174843
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169235
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174469
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168228
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173562
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168449
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170425
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175204
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171844
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171360
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174170
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167662
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173858
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173775
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172147
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175053
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174959
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175487
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483708518
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483688218
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483712624
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483697020
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483706944
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483705561
Selling/ Sold for 7.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161800
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178533
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172098
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170597
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22159459
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173855
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168603
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168814
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176232
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169913
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174930
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168374
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177515
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172481
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175442
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483671651
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483595427
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483597364
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483711516
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483687370
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483693213
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483779348
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483681810
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483784056
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483692551
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483657497
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483687368
http://bazaar.tf/trade/978469
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22162635
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177483
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177716
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169186
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483715597
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483783138
Selling/ Sold for 7.00
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240147
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240383
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10239840
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177046
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171976
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175355
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174562
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172130
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166958
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173619
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166364
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169297
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171546
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167950
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171493
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177044
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176498
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22160058
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483682531
Selling/ Sold for 6.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174760
Selling/ Sold for 6.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177548
Selling/ Sold for 6.00
http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240135
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22167573
7.44 is outnumbered by 7.22, 7.11 and 7.
And proof > argument and opinion
Yup, this pretty much secured my upvote. Nice work.
Not a single one of your 7.44 unsolds is valid.
Unsolds at 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176901 - Not valid, last bumped 11 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171856 - Not valid, last bumped 16 hours ago (how do you even find these trades?!)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22171498 - Not valid, last bumped 7 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505 - Not valid, last bumped 6 hours ago AND has at least one buyer (see trade comments)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169990 - Not valid, you have no proof he tried to sell for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170438 - Not valid, last bumped 18 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175779 - Not valid, you have no proof he tried to sell for 7.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169732 - Not valid, all sold since at least 4 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172743 - Not valid, last bumped 16 hours ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168688 - Not valid, closed his trade cos they sold.
http://bazaar.tf/trade/978598 - Not valid, poorly bumped and same trader as http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505
Why is bumping so important? Because keys are a high volume item, so trades older than ~8-10 hours won't even show up on the first 20 pages of search results for key-refined, meaning no regular key buyer is ever likely to find them.
Having a quick look at your 7.22 links, some are of the same trader, at least one sold for 7.22+weapon, and most sold almost instantly, making them a quicksell in my opinion. The volume alone doesn't mean much - it's imo still not much compared to the sheer volume of keys being traded daily.
edit:
Selling/ Sold for 7.11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22161369 - sold in 1 minute
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22162635 - sold in 1 minute
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177483 - sold in 1 minute
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177716 - sold in 1 minute
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22169186 - sold in 1 minute
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483715597 - unknown
http://www.trade.tf/trade/483783138 - unknown
I'm not exaggerating, all of these people closed their trades in the same minute it was made (click on the '... hours ago' to see exact times of trade creation/closure). That's as much quicksell as you can possibly have. Anyway, this section is completely irrelevant.
That seems about right ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
upboat
Just bought 3 keys at 7.11 through my bot.. upvote!
Which bot? >.>
my bot :3, want a link? not sure if im allowed to o.O
you know, all this about phishing links and such.
downvote, they just qs keys, scared that they lose some scrap bechause keys are droping down
why is this trade still on ther is tons of proof!
nice suggestion
Given the preponderance of counterproof as well as proof that 7.22 is a quicksell, I've changed to a downvote. There's not a single classified listing for 7.22 right now, and the first page has keys for 7.44.
It was fun seeing keys drop so much for the first time, and it looks like we're back to where they were when I started trading, but it seems to me that the price has stabilized now that people aren't rushing to get rid of their keys for fear of further drops or attempts at price speculating.
Got anymore recent 7.22 sellers that are not sold?
The one above
And I'm gathering more now, will update later.
I will not add bots on this proof.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/putnumberhere - 13 <---- The numbers he sold or at least from what I know.
7.66??:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178617 - 1
7.55 solds?:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185217 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177203 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180405 - 1
7.44 solds:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182989 - 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182809 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180567 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172827 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173432 - 3?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176903 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182867 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175883 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184755 - 1 (has 50+)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174852 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180572 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180572 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177837 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180758 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184392 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178419 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178225 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173462 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185700 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178763 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176257 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177215 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179065 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173505 - Unknown (Buy and sell trader) (Got an add)
7.33 solds:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175312 - 9 (Maybe sold for a discounted price, please check if you can)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182945 - 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176469 - 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179723 - 6
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175053 - 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175053 - 5
http://bazaar.tf/trade/979484 - 5
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176697 - 4
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22183922 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180027 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181552 - 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174170 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174843 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179735 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185822 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180597 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178180 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179230 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179202 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185853 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176587 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173142 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22173086 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177675 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177678 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178821 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22177889 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178696 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178703 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181374 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182294 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22178196 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22181741 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184620 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184002 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184012 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22176154 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22184033 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180683 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175117 - 1
7.22 solds:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22114927 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175442 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185527 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174930 - 1 (2 adds?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22040375 - 1 (Old)
Did not add anything below 7.11 since it's sure quicksell.
Gone through 100 pages on trade.tf and I got this. 7.44 stills sell and this won't mean a 7.33 price is needed. (Pretty sure you're still going to try 7.33 price if this doesn't get accepted though) Not sure on how you got a mass of 7.22 sellers/sold, but I only got those from my search through trade.tf. 7.33> seems to be a quicksell and doesn't have any sellers for those prices much.
Current price seems fine. Downvoting unless a lot more proof is provided.
Finally, some real convincing counter-proofs for me to close this other than stupid arguments based on different point of view.
Thx you. You ended this suffer for me.