Suggestion: The B.M.O.C. at 12–13 keys

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The B.M.O.C.

Submitted Sat, 23 Aug 14 19:14:57 +0000 by ★ Baloo

73.13%

13 keys

12–13 keys

~12.3 keys

166 votes up

61 votes down

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Alright, well its time to finish what I started. Hype train finished making its rounds for now. God it was so fun predicting the trend. I said it'd stop at 14 keys, and admittedly some were sold for that amount. I love the people that got greedy telling me the hype would ride it up to a bud, but oh well :)

Fun shtuff, anyways proof:

Sold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22185257 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179188 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22179183 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22174818 12 keys and 6 refined

Selling:

Less than 13 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22188995 12 keys [<1 day old]

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240704 12 keys [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22187303 12 keys and 3.66 refined [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182369 12 keys and 4 refined [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168927 12 keys and 5 refined [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22186790 12 keys and 6 refined [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21975579 12 keys and 7 refined [9 days old]

13 keys:

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240394 [<1 day old] (painted black, can’t tell if closed)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22186037 [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22191549 [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180895 [<1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166809 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158132 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172172 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175416 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22165847 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158453 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22163092 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170525 [1 day old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22146734 [2 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22134878 [2 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22135492 [2 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22103372 [4 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22108912 [4 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109446 [4 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22009602 [8 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21943000 [11 days old]

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20622122 [2 months old]

Classifieds: http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=B.M.O.C.&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1

Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/e3FZy0V.png

2 for 12 keys, 2 for under 13 keys, and hella amount at 13 keys

personally ive sold 3 b.m.o.c's for 14 keys however i didn't take screen shots which is the problem, they can sell at 13 pretty quickly if u ask me. there are the occasional that quick sell but thous are bought up quickly usually within half an hour (considering i try to buy them when i can for 12)

Feel free to take the screenshots: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198051043212/inventoryhistory

Edit: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22141021

- Selling a normal one for 13 keys, and 2 painted ones for under 14 keys. Those are the most recent BMOCs you've owned according to Outpost. I since lying is afoot. Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/k3k3pWO.png

Also like to add that, his unpainted and lime BMOC are sold along with 31 keys for my Pro KS Australium Eyelander (was desperately in need with pure). http://postimg.org/image/g28c2737t/ I then sold both, unpainted for 12 keys and lime for pink bills and white bills without a bump (3rd link). Your first 12 keys sold is also sold without a bump, 2nd link is pink, not too sure if 12 should be in the range. Maybe 12.5 - 13 will be better?

Other 12 keys sale:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22156217 (12 Keys, Sold in ~2 hours)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22193806 (12 Keys, Sold without bump)

Trades not already listed:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22207224 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22189611 12 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22200750 12.5 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22152552 12 keys and 4 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22207685 12 keys and 5 refined

2 young sellers at 12. One is painted white. Meh.

Along with 2 in the classifieds at 12 keys and multiple sold at 12 keys. However, if you truly believe this suggestion may have some flaws, then I fully encourage you to investigate it further since I have done my part to present my case.

15pages on tf2op, don't think 1 seller at 12 on tf2op is enough.

Managed to sell mine for 13 in a few hours - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22127185

Not taking 13 keys out of range.

The amount of B.M.O.C. sellers without paint, which is what you need for a base price suggestion, is 8 pages: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/220954135

The amount of B.M.O.C. sellers without paint, and explicitly looking for keys, is 6 pages: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/220954260

- Of that, the amount bumped either today or yesterday is 5 pages

Lastly, the amount of sellers who:

1) have a non-painted B.M.O.C.,

2) are explicitly looking for keys,

3) have bumped in the last 24 hours, and lastly

4) have explicitly stated their price or have a price at or below backpack.tf drops to possibly a page or a stretch for 2, so if you believe there is counter, then I repeat; I encourage you to find it and present it.

Yeah I just sold my BMOC for 12 keys. Fall of the BMOCs :(

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22188995 (12 keys) already sold within 3 hours (<= 1 hour most likely).

ALL of your solds, have sold within 24 hours, that is quicksells, no vaild solds.

From your sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22188995 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22182369 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22187303 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22168927 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22186790 - young

The only vaild 'unsold' from your sellers is this: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21975579 - 1 link is defiently not enough.

From your 13 keys sellers:

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240394 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22186037 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22191549 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22180895 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22166809 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158132 sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22172172 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22175416 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22165847 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158453 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22163092 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22170525 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22146734 - young

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21943000 - sold 4 out of 8.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20622122 - sold

Conclusion: all your solds are VERY young, counted as quicksells.

most your sellers are very young too, and most of them got sold.

and of your 13 keys sellers: half of them are very young, and half of them being sold.

Anyways, thats defiently not good enough proof to change the price of the B.M.O.C, hope you will close the suggestion as soon as you see this counter, thats a downvote for me, have a nice day.

it can't be a quicksell if it hasn't sold, none of his sellers below 13 have sold yet.

also, out of the 13 key sales;

http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=10240394 - painted black

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22186037 - didn't sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22158132 - didn't sell

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20622122 - 2-months-old listing

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21943000 - last sale over a week ago

Still, he dont have enough proof, and I have more counter if you bother reading it all.

the rest of your "counter" doesn't prove anything. 6 links is enough proof given that 13 keys is evidently not selling, even though it's the most common asking price, and even then only ~20% of the BMOCs listed on outpost are unpainted - which makes it even harder to find proof

My other counter do provide, its showing all of his 'unsolds', sellers at 13 are all young, and that his 12 keys solds are quicksells. he cant base his low-end on 3 quicksells.

His low end isn't based on the "solds", it is based on the 12-key sellers. 13 keys is still in range, and not all of them are young. None of those are sold so far.

Thats exactlly the problem. his 12 keys sellers are very young - that cant count as a proof. and all of his "solds" are quicksolds.

EDIT: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22188995 - 12 keys seller from his unsolds, 5 hours old, poorly bumped. and there is still someone who sold 4 out of 8 at 13 keys each

Three sales at 12 don't seem enough for me to make it a low end.

three 'solds' links at 12 is defiently not enough for the low-end. specially when they all quicksells.

Sad but look like this suggestion is gonna win, and i will loose 1 key... Proof is interesting, right now i'm neutral

Easy to sell at 13 keys down vote

As far as I can tell, the only B.M.O.C. you've owned is here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22208351 which you bought with item overpay of 5 bread boxes: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22140994

However, if I'm wrong and you've sold some B.M.O.C.s recently, then feel free to provide screenshots of the sales using your personal steam inventory history: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198041191839/inventoryhistory

...or if you have no recent sales, or any sales, and would like to back up your blind statement, then feel free to gather evidence as to why you believe 13 keys should still be the most common price, keeping in mind that 13 keys would be both in current and suggested range.

I sold 1 easily on a trade server after 20 mins advertising

Very Young Trades. I will give them some time. I had previously opened a suggestion with multiple sellers at 14+. Only 4 Solds at 12K. Only 7 Sellers at 12K, which is about a 1:4 Ratio with your 13K sellers. Downvote.

Price suggestion was 10 days and is not a reflection of the current state of B.M.O.Cs: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53ed48744cd7b8837f8b4995

Listed one (painted gold) for 13 on outpost and got a trade offer within an hour, no bumps

seems like you still own it - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22211237

didn't say I sold it

http://i.imgur.com/Iv7XuFj.png

As already mentioned by Pyroman, its still in your backpack. If you'd like to provide proof of the trade offer, then feel free to take a screenshot of it: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0gauss/tradeoffers

Also 13 keys is still in the suggested range, so your supposed sale at 13 keys does not utterly negate this suggestion. Along with this, painted items commonly have a higher value and people normally charge along the lines of 50% the paint's face value when selling. Since this suggestion is for the base price of the B.M.O.C., it was intended to only use unpainted sales, however, if you're going to try and use your sale, then the base price you'd be selling that B.M.O.C. for would be less than 13 keys when you subtract the price of the paint from the selling price.

here you go: http://i.imgur.com/Iv7XuFj.png

Half the value of the paint is about 1.88 ref for reference.

Wasn't trying to counter the suggestion, though I do think the low end suggested is a little too low