Suggestion: Scorching Flames Ground Control at 425 keys

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~145 keys

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This was put up on tf2outpost by Fake_Jugs TF2-T, for 25 buds which he was also asking on trade servers.

I purchased it for 30 buds in mixed unusuals.

Previous seller post.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22305097

screen of transaction:

http://i.imgur.com/ZF6CKWA.png

Ubersternmann was Arcana and Hustler's Hallmark was Burning Flames.

A screenshot would definitely help in this case.

Also, do you plan to keep the hat? If not, then you'll have to wait 1 month, or until whenever it sells again.

I bet he plans on keeping it I MEAN THAT HAT THO

I have no plans of selling the hat anytime soon,if ever.

Wasn't one of the exceptions if the hat was as high tier as this one?(20+ buds)

Either way, with his comment above it doesn't matter.

Are the 2 unusuals 100% clean though? That's the real question. You also need mini-suggestions for the Professional Killstreak weapons.

P.S. Don't link the bp.tf history and say "IZ DOOPD! IZ CLEEN" because that thing is horrifically unreliable.

So how would you go about suggesting if an item is duped or not? Going into the individual history of every item on the market which only premium members could do to find if its clean or not, which is the same info that gives the 'clean / duped' title at the history of an item...

Outpost history. Check each person's backpacks and look for copies. If they are duped then you need mini suggestions for the duped versions. You don't need to be premium, you just need to use your brain.

screens? or something?

Everything has been put up now.

for anyone wanting the math

Ground Control + 1.5 in mixed ==> Arcana Uberster. (14) + Burning Hallmark (12.3) + Pro Aus Sticky (35-40) + Pro Aus Grenade (35-40)

GC + 1.5 = [(14*17) + (12.3*17) + 37.5 + 37.5] * .9

GC + 1.5 = (470 / 17)

GC + 1.5 = 27.6

GC = 26.1

you should change this to 26.1, or my prices for the nade / sticky may be off a bit?

With the effects that they had the nade launcher was 2.4 to 2.5 buds, and the sticky was about 2 buds and 5 keys.

But as i mentioned, i did overpay due to the fact that i offered in unusuals/mixed, and not pure.

*.9 = overpay

found some pro aus nade on outpost for 2.5 b/o, so put it near 2.25 ish.

pro aus stick was similar, so just rounded both to 35 - 40 area, doesn't change the value too much, only really can go higher.

shouldn't be 25 though, you can raise it to 26 or 26.5 for the sticky and grenade offers.

Allegedly, the previous owner asked for 25 Buds so it can't be worth more than that.

his b/o was 25 in pure.

he offered in unusuals, and no pure whatsoever, and ended in ~26.

for example, i may really want pure for a hat that may be hard to get pure out of, so I'd sell it for 4 pure, even though its priced around 7, however have it at 4 in only pure, 7 in unusuals.

this is also a high teir hat, so the 'buyout' in pure =/= 'buyout' in unusuals / mixed

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

"No sale should be valued higher than a hat’s buyout in pure. If a person in the comments of a trade states a willingness to sell for "x" pure, the trade should not be valued above "x." "

That rule exists in cases of overpay being set to pay the value of your hats equivilent to the unusual you're offering on + overpay, to calculate that you'd have .9 of the value of your offer on theirs.

.9 of the value leaves the overpay at 26 pure, so whether or not 'the buyout is higher' is irrelevant, because it was sold for 26 with overpay calculated

It shouldn't be valued above x if the buyout was x pure, and someone offered x+1 pure, because that would be irrelevant paying more than the buyout if you had pure. In this case, according to backpack.tf rules, .9 is the set overpay amount, and unless the overpay amount changes for higher teirs, it still is a 26 in unusual purchase

For this situation, one rule is contradicting another, in my opinion, what it sold for (26 in unusuals) should be the price, you say 25 because of the buyout rule, to end the argue-fest, its up to the mods to decide I guess.

Also, found this just now, the 'buyout' rule can't be used here, there is no buyout posted on the trade. =)

http://puu.sh/bwJr2/c10a3b333e.png

No B/O but offer away.

As you said, it's still 26 in an unusual purchase. However, according to bp.tf rules, any kind of sales cannot exceed the seller's buyout in pure, whether the buyer paid unusuals or pure is completely irrelevant. I haven't declined the fact that it's a 26 sale, but when suggesting you'd have to use 25 because that was the seller's buyout.

Rules>[power gap]>Opinions and logic.

http://puu.sh/bwJr2/c10a3b333e.png

No B/O but offer away.

Unless there's proof of a b/o, or it was edited before closed, its just stated that there's no buyout.

As I said, the suggester ALLEGEDLY claimed that it was a 25 bud B/O, I never confirmed that there was one.

I was just using the rulebook against your claims of this being priced at 26 Buds when a 25 bud B/O was in effect(Not implying that there's one right now.

Also I can dislike too you know.

Welp, no proof of a buyout, if there is proof, fine, 25 pure, if there isn't 26 pure. The battle for the buyout proof begins...

Also I can like too you know. c:

did you calculate overpay?