Suggestion: Circling Heart Crone's Dome at 867–1033.6 keys

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Hey guys, lets try again

Link to trade history http://i.imgur.com/RS2HF2A.png

The Items after the sale http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22795639

Original trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22768664

The most recent sale was from Alaska to Gold

Alaska had been asking for 35 pure for quite a while, then this sale happened.

It was sold for an AF Kabuto+Cloudy Kabuto+Burning Mountain Cap+Sunbeams Toque+Overclocked Bubble Pipe+DBD Dasnaggenvatcher+Roboactive Little Buddy, which Alaska prompt put on the market and made ridiculous quicksells, props to geg for picking up both kabutos for 25 pure.

Anyways, Minis for the hats

Mini 1* Cloudy Kabuto 1 of 6, All on the market, bp.tf price is 18.6, the lowest (Duped, most are) wants 13 pure, only 1 over what Alaska qs a clean one for http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22795639 , the rest want and have been offered from 14-17, so lets price at 12 pure first.

Mini 2* Antifreeze Kabuto 1 of 6, 2 on the market, bp.tf price is 18.8 geg bought his for 13 pure, wants no less than 18, other wants 20 pure only ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22319375 )

Mini 3* Burning Medics Mountain Cap 1 of 12, bp.tf price is 5.7 Offered a max head (3 pure)+Spec sf knife (1 pure)+ stormy trophy (2.1)+ g fetti conn cap (1.4) ( http://imgur.com/wBYvY4d ) 7.5 easily, and was declined. Lets price Medics at 7

Mini 4* Sunbeams Tough Guys Toque 1 of 20, bp.tf price is 5.5, sold for 4 instantly, lets price at 4.5

Mini 5* Roboactive Little Buddy 1 of 1, bp.tf price 4.5, sold for 5 after collecting, lets price at 4.5

Mini 6* Overclocked Bubble Pipe, 1 of 5, bp.tf price 3.7, lets price at 3

Mini 7* Disco Das Naggen, 1 of 7, bp.tf price 4, lets price at 3.5

So, at the bp.tf price, the total comes to 18.8+18.6+5.7+5.5+4.5+3.7+4= 60.8

At the price that is either offered or has been qsed at for pure, 12+13+7.5+4+5+3+3.5= 48, at super low give me pure now qs prices. So this range will be from 51 (giving a little room because of the qs's) -60.8 (its bp.tf pricing)

I understand that on my last price suggestion I was rude and unprofessional, aswell as I had no clue what was going on. So give me feedback on this new suggestion if you want. <3 Fawnzee

should probably round 60.8 up at the very least

I like the .8 <3 I kinda prefered keeping it around there because its using bp.tf prices and its a bp.tf price, so its kind've ironic to me.

it's just that you're implying too high a degree of accuracy for something this high tier. I'd go so far as to recommend doing a 50-60 bud range instead of 51-61

if this gets closed I will keep this in mind, ty

Holy mother of minis

But youre going to need proof of half of these minis, and most importantly, the initial sale.

Half of the Minis are just "#/#, lets price it at..."

If the B/O was 35, then thats the worth of a hat, btw.

thats for my low ranged price, aswell as I provided the proof for the mountain, but I can provide more I guess. all were quicksales, so I did add a bit of wishy washy additude because idk how the community reacts to using those as pricing. my main pricing is from the bp.tf prices

but your low range isnt even 35 .-.

Even before we get to the actual price of the hat, you still havent shown proof other than "this sold for this". Usually photo evidence is needed with unusual suggestion based on such complicated sales.

Credits for your effort at trying to update this but you and the other seller's b/o is 50 buds pure.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22796166

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22745100

This range is too high compared to both your b/o in pure.

Your mini suggestions are not exactly proper. You need to find sales for each of the hat instead of "Lets price this at xx price" without proof to back the mini suggestion price.

Hope this helps.

adding on to Aaron's bits, http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/ here's this

so are you saying I should raise the b/os, as I believe that b/os shouldn't be based on bp.tf prices of unusuals, even if the bp.tf price is. Aswell as ty for the link anthrakir.

Totally agreed.

So any screenshots for the sale? Also I'm pretty sure you can't make a range out of 1 sale(Even at counting the qs part which is just an assumption)

you mean of the actual trade history? I can provide

Why don't you provided the link for the initial trade?

coming right up

itd help if you could document the effects of the hats traded

coming right up ;)

So now that you have the proofs of the initial trade, we need to address the minis and the calculation of the trade.

The minis arent really proof of anything, just stating the number in existence, and what you interpret the price at.

You gotta find a sale to raise the outdated price temporarily, or lower it with a B/O temporarily, for the purpose of the suggestion.

Secondly, pretty sure you forgot overpay, and a hat cant be worth more than the B/O, as per:

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

there was no real overpay, as my b/o is 55 in 1st gens, his is 60, and this wasn't even all first gens. and find a sale of what

Sales of hats that youre making minis of

And there was a B/O of 70 for this hat and a knife storm Crones

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22259165

Subtract the price of the Knife Crones, and you get a B/O of around 27 buds for the crones.

If this seems too low, even dividing the B/O by 2, you get 35 buds each.

Hate to say it, but you probably overpayed for this hat by a lot.

alaska was quickselling the crones for 35, and I have been offered around 45-52 ish in 1st gens, first of all, so i didn't overpay a lot, 2nd of all, the ks crones had a small market as it isn't the nicest halloween effect and was probably worth around 35. aswell as the other recent sale that just happened with gold, meaning that others are getting interested with the hearts ke getting sold for 100 mixed, and if that goes for 100 mixed how in the world would the next highest priced all class be 27, aswell as I was just offered 30 pure for the crones. So I didn't overpay, and I was unaware that the bp.tf prices, which many of you must've voted on aswell, were not enough proof. I will work on getting proof of minis, geg is offline atm, and bear isn't talking atm

>alaska was quickselling the crones for 35

No he wasnt, because he didnt specify that it was a quicksale, it wasnt quick, and it wasnt in pure.

>the ks crones had a small market as it isn't the nicest halloween effect

Opinions. The Flies Anger is more than the Hearts Anger. Logic doesnt apply, cause if it did, Halloween effect on Halloween effect > regular effect. But like i said, logic doesnt apply here in that sense.

>meaning that others are getting interested with the hearts ke getting sold for 100 mixed, and if that goes for 100 mixed how in the world would the next highest priced all class be 27

I dont even know what youre trying to say here.

>I was just offered 30 pure for the crones.

Backing up my argument that this shouldnt be worth more than 35 buds.

I really hate to say it, but i just dont see this suggestion passing.

lol, im not using the 30 pure as a proof thing, im just saying its more than your b/o suggestion of 27, which implies you don't know as much as we think as it was just offered, aswell as I mean that how in the world is if hearts ke is going for more than 80 buds, how is the next in line all-class worth less than a half. He did absolutely specify as it was a quicksell price, yet he got gross overpay in good unusuals which he quicksold very fast

Yea, i know you werent using the offer as proof, but if the hat was surely worth 60 buds, you wouldnt receive a lowball like that.

Also, Once again, your interjecting logic to support your suggestion. KEs are higher tier, so you cant really compare the Crones prices to the KE.

And the definition of a quicksell:

"What is a quicksell?

Time is only one factor used to determine a quicksell. If a hat sells within 1-2 days for its b/o in pure, one should be suspicious.

More important is how a sale relates to other sales. If a hat sells for less than commonly offered values in pure or unusuals or for less than common trade points, that is likely a quicksell." , from http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

Anywho, this conversation is getting pretty worn out, so ill end with this:

The facts are stacked against you, and you kind of lack the proof to prove that this sale wasnt an outlier.

a quicksale, as usually known in the trading community, is an item priced lower than the usual going price, for usually only pure, as a way to get pure quickly or to get rid of a hat. It has nothing to do with time anymore, even if it was before. I do appreciate the arguements you did propose, and will keep in mind what you said.

Saw the screen shot, but providing the original trade link is more easier and persuading. The screen shot indicates NO effect.

do you mean as alaskas original trade link?

Dat range o.o

Suggestion is inaccurate. Most of these hates are outdated, and you need mini suggestions for them.

Downvote.

more proof for minis coming soon

but I appreciate the directness

Link to Buto Sales http://i.imgur.com/cg5i8iX.png

What we have here is a prime example of the difference between PURE value and UNUSUAL value. All prices of hats on this site are the value of hats in pure. Ideally we would figure out what a person is willing to sell a hat for in pure. We can't read people's minds. Occasionally, we can tell based on a comment or "b/o." But most of the time, we can't tell and that's why we have this contrived system of 10% overpay which most traders know is grossly inaccurate. Most sellers realistically give way more than 10% off if paying in pure. And the crones illustrates this very point. Every seller on the market will take 50 pure. The hat cannot be valued more than that. Paying more than 50 in unusuals is overpay by definition.