Suggestion: Disco Beat Down Le Party Phantom at 80–96 keys

Price Suggestion

~438.5 keys

dbd

145 votes up

55 votes down

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 28 Oct 14 17:40:18 +0000 by polar.

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L'DISQUO

Resuggesting at 5-6

Sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21296764 Up for 2 months selling for 8 pure, only 2 offers since then, one offer of 5 pure and one of a ~5.1 halloween gen Stout Shako. Trader says they have received offers of 6 pure. I couldn't trace what the item originally sold for due to the unusual being in the hands of a scammer recently.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21147472 Up for 2 months, only three to five offers within the last month and all have been third gen, robo, or halloween effects, ranging from an unvalued Bot Dogger to a ~1.6 Cloud Crasher (lol) to a ~5 Bonk Boy.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22944117 Up for four days, no set b/o, no offers on the Phantom yet

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22918765 Up for 5 days, no set b/o, no offers yet

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19833543 Same guy from the above trade listed the unusual 3 months ago, no offers made

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22930501 Up for 5 days, no set b/o, no offers yet, also up on bp.tf for 7.5 buds with no bites yet

Sold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21261822 Sold this for Le Party Phantom DBD and a Cloud 9 Cold Killer (~4) for a Cloudy Moon Sergeant's Drill Hat (~10), valuing Phantom at ~6 in unusuals

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22811170 Put up for sale multiple times, offer of 3 buds and sweets, other offer of Aces High Capo's Capper + Unusual Aces High Letch's LED + Unusual Kill-a-Watt Virtual Reality Headset (All third gen and outdated, ~2.5 + ~2.1 + ~2.4 = ~7 including overpay). Finally sold for DBD Anger (~5.35) and 17 keys (~1)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21059615 Two months ago, sold for a Dead Presidents Hong Kong Cone (~5.5 in unusual)

Leave any constructive criticism below, this is my first actual price suggestion. :)

Drill's hat and cold killer are outdated. That means that if the backpack.tf price isn't correct, you'll have to update them through mini suggestions

EDIT: Do you have any information of who offered all unusuals on who's hat? Because that depicts wether or not you should apply overpay. Also:

seller at 3.75 for cold killer: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22817600

Not bad for a first suggestion though, resuggestion or not :)

They're outdated of course, it's valuing the Phantom at 6 in unusuals, but third gen and volatile effects. I would have listed closer to 6 if I didn't take that into account.

EDIT: I don't have any information on it. I was resuggesting my own previous suggestion, not someone else's.

I don't exactly understand what you're saying, sorry

Also, yes I understand it was a resuggest of your own suggeston, just saying it's good even though you had to resuggest

Oh, thanks :)

Also, what I'm saying is that I would have listed the Phantom price suggestion closer to 6 buds, had not the bp.tf prices been outdated for the 3rd gen and halloween gen effects. I'm aware that those effects are volatile in price.

Ah, so you rounded down the cone? But that one's up to date actually. The Anger too. So not basing off of offers, the range could be 5.5 - 6.5 or 6.4

Would like some confirmation from someone who can say this with confidence though

EDIT: changed range

I didn't round down the Cone because of its volatility, but I did take some off from the Cone on account of overpay, same with the Anger. I have no information on who offered who with the Cloudy Moon Sergeant however.

Great! Thanks, got confused when the suggestion said one price and the range another.

If the mods find the outdated hats to be OK still, this is a go. Upvote from me now

I've had offers(multiple ones) of 6 buds pure. I love how you're leaving out the 6 pure offer on my trade which I declined. If you're trying to change the price, at least be truthful about it. Also valuing the unusual using a max price of 6 buds when I have had pure offers of the same is just pushing it, imo.

Like I said in my last suggestion if you bothered looking at it, I did mention that, but other traders deemed your misc as 5-6 buds from 5.2-6.2. 6 buds pure is the absolute maximum you'll get for your hat. Declining good offers doesn't make your item worth more. Don't try price manipulating, please.

How am I trying to manipulate the price? That's what you're doing. Why would I bother checking an inactive vote suggestion. If you want to price something correctly, use proofs and not what "other traders deem" the item at. I don't care if the price of any item increases or decreases.

You have the bias of having the item. I don't own any such item nor do I have the pure or items to buy it. If you want proofs, just look up into my price suggest. I have proofs of several sold DBD Phantoms.

I'm intrigued about why you chose to word it as " Trader says they have received offers of 6 pure" when there's a clear offer on my trade. As if I'm lying about the 6 pure offer. I don't comment on vote threads if they're honest.

ps: Having the item means fuck-all if all I'm stating are facts with proof. You're just hurt that no one who owned this hat took your miami nights samur-eye. gg. Not arguing further.

Mmhm? The Miami Samur-eye is not involved in this, but I did sell it. Also, there was only one offer of pure on your trade, and it was 5 pure, not 6 pure at first, and 6 was their absolute maximum.

I'm sorry to ask but I can't find the 6 bud pure offer. You have a link?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21296764

The offer was raised to 6 but still declined

Forgot to add this sold one.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19889954

This one sold for dbd cosa nostra cap + cloudy moon stout shaco, the owner added 10 keys. Should be around 10 buds, give or take.

Also, on the topic of what i got mine for, he actually offered it to me, not the other way around. Therefore he overpayed for my hat instead of undervaluing his. So i don't see how it would make the phantom ~6 in unusuals

Mind you, that's four months ago. 3rd gens are very volatile. The items offered are also not first gen or second gen effects, thus you have to apply that toll.

its two months ago, the trade is four months old.

the "toll" is a personal choice and i don't believe that it should be applied universally.

What you believe is also of personal choice.

But you shouldn't apply the toll to the item on this suggestion, let individual traders make that decision.

That's not how it works. Third gens are generally inaccurate in price.

Third gens and halloween gens are not be treated like first and second gens, as well as pure.

People treat hats the way they want to, some people don't care what generation hats are.

There's also as many inaccurate non-3rd gen hats as there are inaccurate 3rd gen hats...

We're talking about the general outline of trading, not the preferences of "some traders."

Don't bother arguing with him, he does not want to state facts. All he does is say how he's right and how others are wrong without giving proper proof.

In no way is me making a lower price for the unusual benefiting me.

Although i do not agree with him, and I've given up hope in trying to convince to my viewpoint, the admins may, and that is what matters. We will have to wait and see.

If the disco phantom was offered to you, no overpay should be applied.

As for overpay as a whole, we don't differentiate between generations of effects (even though we probably should). Overpay is the difference between pure and unusuals. The vast majority of traders will take less in pure than they would in unusuals. Our calculation is a 10% reduction. Realistically, it's more like 20-30%. Yes, this means that not ALL traders would take less in pure. But our prices are guidelines and our rules are based on trading situations that generally apply to the community as a whole. Our listed prices are supposed to be pure values, so overpay must be applied if the person offering is offering an unusual instead of pure.

Mini Suggest for Cloudy Drills

The only recent sale:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22400740

Before:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198057839297?time=1409814000

After:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198057839297?time=1409986800

Sold for ~10 bud Purple Energy Company Man

Purple Energy Company Man Is Outdated Along With The Miami Nights El Jefe Miami Nights, You Need To Do A Mini On A Mini.

" 6:28 PM - Queyh: Does one have to do minis on minis?

6:28 PM - Queyh: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/543299c9b98d8825418b4949

6:29 PM - Mr. Bucket: i dont think you should be allowed to do a mini on a mini

6:29 PM - Mr. Bucket: thats stupid

6:29 PM - Queyh: Is it required

6:29 PM - Queyh: ?

6:29 PM - Mr. Bucket: i dont even know if its allowed"

Mr. Bucket is a backpack.tf mod.

Actually, what I'm saying is if you have to do a mini-suggestion for a mini-suggestion itself, the original mini-suggestion isn't valid. Basically, if you have to do a mini-suggestion on a mini-suggestion, you can't make the first mini-suggestion.

The Cloudy Moon Drill has only had one sale within the last month or two though.

Mini Suggestion for Cloud 9 Cold Killer: 4 buds

Before:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198073546664?time=1411023600

After:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198073546664?time=1411110000

C9 Killer + 4 keys for Miami Nights El Jefe (~4.65 by itself)

Sold mine for Disco Beat Down Bonk Boy (5 buds), upvote!

after overpay that sale would be 4.5 buds

did you apply overpay?

Overpay of 2 buds?

what?

I agree that the price needs to be dropped, but I think that it should drop more than to just 5-6. Selling at the suggested range seems a bit slow.

I'm ignoring all sales >2 months old since they go anywhere from 5-10 buds in value. We are trying to get a current price on this - so only recent sales.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23279940 - sold for 100 keys ~6.3 pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22811170 - ~5.8 - that disco anger sale

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22930501 - disco headsplitter + ~0.5 buds - b/os on the headsplitter around 5. it's clearly outdated. Sale is probably close to 5.5

Headsplitter isn't reliable without a formal suggestion. You can either make a suggestion for that and set that as the low end or you can conservatively bump this down to 5.8-6.3. But 6.3 was pure and that shouldn't be rounded. Should be the high end.