Suggestion: Non-Craftable Berliner's Bucket Helm at 0.77–1.22 ref

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~27.77 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 20 Oct 14 13:46:44 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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Uncraft hat pricing spree

None on outpost selling for less than 0.77

Sold for 0.77:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23133856

Sold for 1.22:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22908236

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1638/NZ7V6U.png (thank you JoseOtero)

You can easily buy them for 0.77 or less. Downvote

I have 0.77 in the range, and two were sold for 1.22. Go buy them all for 0.77 then if it's that easy.

That's the point... I can buy them for 0.77 very easily, hence it doesn't need to be increased in price. The 1.22 sales were most likely outliers. If you really want me to link a few people selling for 0.66-0.77 i'll do that. Otherwise you can look on the first page on outpost or in the classifieds and see for yourself

Hello, I am leaving 0.77 in the range, and two sales for 1.22 isn't an outlier, as there were two sales. No one is selling for 0.66

No one selling for 0.66, orly? Did you look in the classifieds? I'm not gonna try to convince you that they're outliers. All i can say is that i would be very sursprised if this suggestion goes through. Good luck though.

Edit: Why are you disliking constructive comments on your own suggestion?

Constructive? Classifieds only count as supporting proof, and this isn't that common.

You dislike all negative comments on your trade though... Don't deny it. Maybe you should listen to counter proof instead of being an ass about it?

lel you haven't given me one link

Do you want the links? I just assumed that you had looked it up since you commented about those trades.

If it sells for 1.22 more than once, it is most likely not an outlier. Also, you've buried yourself in your own grave.

Nope. It didn't infact sell more than once for 1.22

I talked to the buyer of this supposed 1.22 sale: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22908236

This is what he told me: http://imgur.com/dEVHSUi

Yeah, just saw that comment.

But we wait and see if it sells for higher than 0.77.

yep. As of now, the proof is too weak and it's not in need of an updated price imo ;)

2 for .77 on OP, offline seller for .66 in classifieds, none on bazaar, all the rest have higher prices.

It isn't easy to find for .77.

3 on outpost and 2 in the classifieds are way below his high range, and he only has 1 (maybe 2) sales.

God damn, you convinced me easily with that counterproof.

Classifieds: http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Berliner%27s%20Bucket%20Helm&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=0

One seller for 0.66, one seller for 1 ref

TF2 Outpost:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23168782 0.77 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23156808 0.77 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23042057 bp.tf price (0.77 ref) unsold for a week

Btw how do we know what this one sold for? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22908236

You claim that it sold for 1.22, any proof of that?

Did you even read my proof? plus you have 1 seller for 0.66 in the classifieds, which is only supporting proof. And you're 0.66-0.77 seller is selling for the high end.

Please elaborate. Why are you asking "Did you even read my proof?". Of course i read your proof. I am asking about the validity of 50% of your proof. How do you know what this sold for? http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22908236

You have only showed 1 (2 at most) sales for your high end.

You aren't listening. This is not a common item, I can't exactly get 80 solds. Also, that sold for 1.22, the person says 1.22 on the trade, and it isn't in his backpack.

So you just assume that it sold for 1.22 since it's no longer in his backpack? That is not valid proof. So you have one sale at 1.22. I'm calling that an outlier. Keeping my downvote unless you can provide more/better proof.

Let the dislike war continue!

I have TWO sales at 1.22, are you really that ignorant? And if he didn't sell it for 1.22, what else did he sell it for? It's in another guy's backpack, check the history.

Don't call me ignorant for no reason. In what way am i ignorant? If you can't provide proof of the sale, it's not valid. That's the way it works and you need to accept that. You can't just assume that something sells for asked price.

Yes, I can assume it sold for the asked price. Go find proof that it didn't. Plus I did provide proof, the guy asked for 1.22, and it's in another guy's backpack.

Am i the one making the proof for your suggestion now? Nope, i'm not. If you want to keep it like that, fine. I'm telling you that it's not a valid sale though. You need to add him and either ask what it sold for, or get backpack/trade history that proves the sale. Good luck with the suggestion.

Are you really this ignorant? You're trying to provide counter-proof, go get it.

I have provided the counterproof. Now it's your turn to provide the proof. You're the ignorant one here...

No you haven't provided any counter-proof. You have no proof he didn't sell for 1.22, and there is no reason to think he didn't

Looks like you really don't like to provide proof http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5313a03e4dd7b8a5168b456b

You don't understand... It's your job to prove the sale. It's a requirement. You can't assume things when making price suggestions. It's your job to prove it, not mine to counter it

You read the comments of a man who doesn't listen

I second that

I believe that you are wrong. There is one valid sale at 1.22 and a bunch of people selling for the current range. We have an outlier. Congratulations!

I'm just going to stop replying to you before I start getting mad at you

No problem. You don't need to

1. Be respectful of other users at all times.

Well there goes for that..

Also besides the classified selling at 0.66, i believe there is another one selling it at 0.66 http://www.trade.tf/trade/479536564

Sold pretty quick it looks like http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23159855

Alright. I talked to the buyer of this supposed 1.22 sale: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22908236

This is what he told me: http://imgur.com/dEVHSUi

I think it's safe to say that it didn't infact sell for 1.22 ref. That brings down your 1.22 sales down to one, that i'm going to call an outlier unless you get more sales.

Where's the trade history pic?

http://imgur.com/1mqzIBU talked to the same guy

Like my picture showed, he wasn't willing to provide the picture. We just have to trust his words since he has no reason to lie about it.

"since he has no reason to lie about it."

prove it :>

Exactly.

Edit: Disliking my comment won't get you anywhere

You don't seem to understand either... There is no proof that it sold for 1.22, therefore it's not a valid sale. The proof points strongly towards it having sold for 0.66. How many times do i have to say that? Look into the rules before making comments like that. You need to prove sales before including them. You can't just assume that things sell for their b/o. I could list an unusual for 500 buds and give it to my friend, that wouldn't prove that it sold for 500 buds.

" Look into the rules before making comments like that" I could say the same to you :/

for low tier items you can generally assume they sold for b/o :|

". I could list an unusual for 500 buds and give it to my friend, that wouldn't prove that it sold for 500 buds."

flawed analogy, I doubt a friend that was able to accumulate 500 buds would risk a price manipulation accusation by being a part of that scheme. also we could check item histories to see if you two actually exchanged anything. there's also the magic of an "outlier"

Absolutely not. You would never do it if you ask the buyer and he says that he bought it for 2 rec. You probably wouldn't really care if it was a common item that sold for a relatively reasonable price, but this is a rare item that he claims sold for twice it's value, which it clearly didn't. Does that make sense?

Funny how you mention "outliers". He has one sale for the high end, and multiple people are selling for half that price. Wouldn't that sale be considered an outlier?

I'm not passing judgement on this suggestion, just pointing out your flawed reasoning...

ok, sold for twice its value, still low tier, can still generally assume for low tier that they sold for b/o :<

How can you assume that after asking the buyer though?

I said GENERALLY :| this case may be a little different since you have a screenshot of chat with buyer

also I added a guy too! http://goo.gl/kBaBOQ someone's lying, dunno who

Possibly lying, maybe they don't remember. Sure would make it a lot easier if one of them was willing to provide a screenshot. I highly doubt that it sold for 1.22 though.

doubting it sold for 1.22? now, this I can agree with

(I didn't want to hassle the guy for a screenshot :p was enough that I was hassling him about his sale already)

lel, we both added him at the same time

Looks like you lied http://i.imgur.com/o03P6kg.png

What do you mean by "you lied"? I didn't make any claims. I just provided the info that i got from the buyer.

Eh, you lied, he lied, same thing. Either way it didn't sell for 0.66

Another .66 seller although it's quite young: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23193223

Quicksold

Yup. Sure did

There's a current seller at 0.66 on classifieds.

your .77 sale was an obvious quicksell

sold within 3 days =/= quicksell

I actually sold my Bucket Helm within a day, not 3 days </3

fair enough

You need more proof.. ;-;

not so sure... small market availability

Your name though... upvote

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23117027 - Sold for 1.33 refined

Trades to watch:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23204968 - 1 refined (<1 day)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23156808 - 0.77 refined (3 days)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23168782 - 0.77 refined (2 days, barely bumped)

No longer in seller's bp, and look at the last comment, it sold within a day.

The 1 ref seller has now sold within an hour

Searched the unsolds, found 1 at 0.66, 1 at 0.77, ~3-4 at 1.22, and 2 at 1.33

Seems legit, as very few sellers, and I upvote.

I honestly have to down vote this based on my personal experience (I buy them any were from 0.55-0.88 ref and sell them at 1 ref, but they usually don't sell for a week or 2 [for me 1.11 might be in range but 1.22 is too high])

Read the comments. I'm surprised at how uppity people are getting over this... Anyway, upvote. It's purely logical that eventually uncrafts will start going up and your proof supports that.