Suggestion: Genuine Horace at 11 keys

One of your unsolds at 12 has actually sold [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23158992[/url]. The buyer who made a comment just bought another Horace from the seller's bp : [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3072404746,30469,1[/url]

Adding the "11.4 keys" sale from Riruka [url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23157173[/url] (btw, he made a mistake 11.4 keys =/= 11 keys 5 ref)

But I'm agree they are outliers, regarding the number of Horaces at 11 keys...

Just sold, took him 3 days.

The 11.4 keys sale also took 3 days.

Yeah, agreed for saying they are outliers... too many 11 keys (even painted) on OP ;)

(Edit : holy ****, you're right about the classifields)

And the classifieds

Plus, Horace is a hat. Max is a misc.

Horace < Max.

Horace + Max

http://imgur.com/kDFiHmu

Dey pair so well together

somewhat creepy .-.

I was making this while that one wasn't yet accepted.

Plus it's a counter.

Ohhhh,I see.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23156424#latest

11 keys was rejected and 14 keys in itmes as well.

this is my own trade I am sure if someone is interesting to see what offer it gets he wont have a problem to found counter proff with easy.

I will add some more as i browse them

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22772700 today black bmoc + key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22824450 12 keys rejected

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22838050 13 keys pure rejected 6 days ago.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23136307 c,o 11 keys + 4 ref he didn't accept it

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23179851 dbd fr-0 today offered. 2 buds 1.7 buds after overpay

I would say the main reason this Item is not stable in price mostly is because of the spam suggestions to lower its price gets day after day.

creating the fear to those that own it that they will lose value from it for every hour that passes with it on their possession.

You rejected 11 pure 4 days ago, so what?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22761531 today trade

you are not showing every horace traded in the market and what it sold for instead you are choosing between poorly bumpd trades andnewly created trades to display no interest on it at all

and I with no effort tracked a sell in between 1.2-17 buds just today.

Is not your fault the previous suggestors used the exact same technic to support their range ,

For me it is just a flaw on the bp.tf rules that guys can take advantage to lower the price of an item.

there should be a colldown rool or a ban for those that reapetedly display selective proofs of an item.

Just saying.

and since you have 2 sales for above 12 keys it would be at least wise to add 12 in the range and ressugest.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5441953db98d8809568b46cc please tell me how this passed first.

This is all the valid proof according to my suggested price (11 keys) and the unsolds for the suggestion beforehand (12 keys).

Your link didn't sell for pure in 3 weeks. The unusual offered is outdated thus invalid, and so is that sale.

why you like to twist reallity to suit your range

quote your words"The unusual offered is outdated thus invalid, and so is that sale."

https://imgbomb.com/i/?bsVvw the time stamps please the trade occured yesterday.since when a trad tha occurs in 24 hours is outdated.

Also http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5441953db98d8809568b46cc your suggestion

http://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/FR-0/Tradable/Craftable/62 outdated 4 months, welcome to reality.

What does that outlier have to do with anything anyway?

That isn't my suggestion either, not sure what you were trying to say except whitespaces.

your link : http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23158992 unsold??12 keys

its allready sold but he is relisting instead of opening new trades. also it ihas a new 12 key offer

Didn't sell when I made this, can't edit main post now.

I know you guys don't give the chance to sellers to take their time to exterminate their offers.

the constant spam of drop in price suggestions creates fear to the owners of loosing value and they keep lowering their prices to match bp.tf prices.

A cooldown rule should be apply to everything its not your fault as much as a bp.tf rules fault in my opinion.

I suggest you read this helpful guide: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/1162-how-to-use-backpacktf-properly/

backpack.tf is not the market, it reflects it. The proof for this suggestion is clear - demand for Horace is low at its current price.

Keep in mind as this suggestion was meant to counter the 11-11.4 keys one, for all purposes the last accepted suggestion was 4 days ago.

last suggestion Accepted about 22 hours ago

4 days is 96 hours if my calculator is not mistaken.

I dont blame you don't get offended. I think mods are accepting them way to fast for us to even see if it can even get a better offer.

Its not keys that sell 10000 per day.

hats need some time to sell not even bmocs are selling that fast and you can tell by all those bmocs rejected on harace trades.

I would wait at least 1 week for a new suggestion to be accepted on it if I was a mod.

You havent convince me that 11.4 is not happening seeing a 12 key sell happend just 9 hours ago

this pretty much cancel this suggestion as it is above the current range and I am sure if mods take their time to accept it

the 12 keys will happened quite a lot in the week ahead.

Never heard of outliers?

You completely ignore all the unsold 11 key sellers. Just because you have one doesn't mean it should be 12 keys. And don't tell me you're not doing this for yourself, if you wouldn't have had one you wouldn't have bothered.

your proff is enough for a range not enough for a firm price

that is all I am saying.

also this goes for both sides

I guess you dont have one that is why you bother so much to lower it.

that goes for everything rare that ppl wants to buy.

theres a ton of items that can be lowered at this time with that kind of suggestions

big kills

bmocs

bills hat

earbuds

max head

australiums of all kind

they all sell for lower (in pure)than the current range.

also from your links

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23173221 - 2d (painted Gold) sold 12 keys

New sellers.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23214163 - 10k 6r

11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23228484 - painted Orange

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23228340

Sellers

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23199924 - 17h @ 10.5k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23186751 - 1d 11k (painted Gold)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23177567 - 2d 11k (painted Lime)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23209317 - 4h 11k

those trades that you are basing the drop of thr price are all sold

the first link has been traded 3 times allready

If thst does not prove that you are basing your price into quicksells beyond any doubt I don't hsve snything else to say.

a big thanks to the mods that waited 24 hours before accepting a suggesti on this again.

Its a downvote from me sorry.

New sellers / updates

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23215766 - 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23248777 - 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23250517 - 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23249819 - 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23230784 - 11k painted gray

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23121983 - 11k no c/o for a week now

Some are young, let's see if they sell.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23250517 sold for 11 or less

then the buyer http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23259577 quicksold for 9

and then the guy that bought that http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23260051 selling for 11

11 seems fair to me, many unsolds for 11

and besides, anyone can still get this hat

Ahem. Your*

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http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5440f687b88d8863318b4b44

Hat needs to go down, Is crap and they will never be all that rare.

Hey horace will be the new maxhead

DAMN you cant say a horace is the new maxhead. WHY?! Here some facts why:

1. Its genuine and MUCH easier to get.

2.There are ALOT of peps who bought this game just for the hat.The legendary maxhead as RARE cuz not all of the users did know that they will get a hat worth over 100 euros in tf2.

3. COME ON YOU CANT COMPLAIN A MAXHEAD WITH THIS SHITTY BEAR!!!!

4. Look at the max, now look at the horace.....max is much cooler serios

5. The maxhead is a MISC, the horace a hat. MISCS are ALOT more expensive then hats cuz you can wear (for example) a maxhead under ANY other HAT. looks pretty funny at some unusuals ^^

BTW. a upvote for the hat is going down ^^

Useless wall of text is useless

Useless comment is useless.

okay then

No hard feelings, just not really necessary :x

1000th voter ftw.

Market analysis again

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23180444 - 5d 11k painted gold autobump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23215766 - 3d 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23242608 - 2d 10k + 4 ref 2x painted orange (1 sold) autobump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23242861 - 2d 11k + 4 ref (this is 11.4 keys or so) unsold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23213598 - 3d 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23248777 - 1d 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23266545 - 11k young and poorly bumped (check back later)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23260051 - 1d 11k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23156424#latest

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23226497

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23264490

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22825685

also a lot of your12 keys are sold...

you suggest 11.4 is not happening right?

I am currently selling for 11, curious to know how fast it will trade @_@

Jesus, is there gonna be a suggestion a day to lower this poor thing?

Looks like it, considering how the Horace's dropping in price.

Well there goes a hope for another form of currency, since bud is loosing rapidly due to keys increasing like crazy.

Wonder if there's gonna be a different form of currency other from Max, Refined Metal, Keys and Buds? (Though buds are dropping like flies)

Several of the 12 key unsolds reduced their price to 11 keys and still haven't sold. Looks fine