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Sunbeams Sergeant's Drill Hat
Submitted by dr1ftec
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Unusual Sergeant's Drill Hat Sunbeams
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4 months old price

Sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22298512 - offered on scorching pot ~8.3


Backpack of buyer before:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198042975118?time=1409295600


Backpack of buyer after:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198042975118?time=1409382000


The only sale on a clean one within 4 months

The pot is outdated, Not sure how this works but it needs a mini doesn't it?

    Nope. It's 3 months outdated, but the trade took place 1.5 months ago when its price was up-to-date. Original prices must be used.

      But you are pricing it now, not 1,5 month ago.

        It doesn't work like that on unusals. You need to use the updated price of unusual.

          That doesn't matter when I price it lol.

          I already commented on this topic in vivid vive suggestion and don't wanna discuss it once more.

            Vivid Vive is a completely different situation.

            It wasn't that the price was in-date when the sale was made, it was in-date when the original suggestion was made. The resuggest was fixing an error in the suggestion, not providing new sales, so it didn't matter.


            In this circumstance, you need to update the pot.

              Okay, guys, I'll quote the rules that you ignore for some reason in order to avoid such questions in the future.


              "The values of items in a trade should be the "value" of the item at the time of the trade.

              <...>To the best of your ability, try to use the "value" of the item at the time of the sale. If that is too hard to predict, that proof should be avoided in making the suggestion." (c) polar


              To conclude, if on 30th August the price of pot was outdated, I would have made a mini for it, it's not hard at all. However, it was just updated at the moment of sale.

                This is why we do mini-suggestions. This is not a valid defence to not do mini-suggestions.


                You're pricing this hat with a sale of an item that's outdated. This price that you're suggesting, therefore, at this point in time, is also outdated, and it completely pointless as a suggestion.


                When five people are telling you you are wrong, maybe you should, y'know, accept that you are wrong?

                  I've done it multiple times and I'm 100% sure that I'm right. I showed you that you are wrong using rules. Do u have something to counter with or you have nothing to proof your point with?


                  We need a price at the moment of sale. For example, you don't use current price of buds talking about a sale that was made in August, don't you?


                  And we're talking about the price of 1st gen that got outdated like a week ago, that's just ridiculous

                    You haven't shown we're wrong using the rules, you have mis-interpreted that rule.

                    Show me one case where that rule applies as you're interpreting it to.


                    Everything you've said counters nothing of what I've said. You're suggesting an outdated value.

                      So, guys, here goes mini that all of you wanted so much

                      http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5447d928b88d88c30d8b45ae

                      Guess what? Pot's price hasn't changed.

                        8.5 * 0.9 = 7.65 (rounding to 7.7)

                        Still need to prove it was offered, otherwise you need to apply overpay.

                          Well, yea, I thought that it's obvious enough, but it seems that it's not so I'm gonna get the proof.

            As already mentioned, you need a more updated price of the stainless pot. And also, the trade that you showed doesn't suggest/prove that this hat was offered at all. (No offers were made.)

              Yeah, I don't see that either. No offer of this unusual was made on that trade.

              See Genta's response. It was fixing an error of an accepted suggestion.

        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21108905 - 10 pure - 3 months and 4 days old now

        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21168318 - 6 pure + vivid drill. easily got 3 pure offers on the vivid putting that sale at ~9


        Certainly better than the other suggestion. Might even be low. The beams drill was almost certainly offered on the pot given that torr is banned on op.